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 Post subject: Re: Steambox: confirmed
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 14:21 
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it might lead to Steam coming out for the likes of Ubuntu eventually.


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The thought occurs to me though: is it really all that likely this thing will run a non-Windows OS? I ask that because, for that to work, all the developers would need to create and support a Linux version of their games and are they likely to want to commit (what I imagine to be) a decent chunk of resource for that in addition to the Windows/PS3/Xbox/etc versions they'll already be doing?


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The thought occurs to me though: is it really all that likely this thing will run a non-Windows OS? I ask that because, for that to work, all the developers would need to create and support a Linux version of their games and are they likely to want to commit (what I imagine to be) a decent chunk of resource for that in addition to the Windows/PS3/Xbox/etc versions they'll already be doing?


They've had a massive grumble over Windows 8, and the register suspects it might be linux.

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Windows CE? Although it would be skating closer to xbox territory on that route


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 Post subject: Re: Steambox: confirmed
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Unlikely.
PC games = DirectX for the main part still :(
I suspect they would look to get a cut down OS thing from MS, at least it would give MS an extra revenue stream to it's OS branch which would probably be looking rather useful just about now. It might be possible to build an emulated thing so most of the catalog could run, but I would dread the legal implications if MS decided to get shirty about it.

Hmm.. or I suppose Steam could just be mailing the devs of current games saying 'if you port to Linux you can be on this SteamBox' which would actually be fairly tempting... But that would stuff at least some of the back library, which I can't see them doing. They would want everything they have already to work, and they would be confident right now that they can else they wouldn't have announced anything, so I reckon a cutdown Windows OS with DirectX.


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 Post subject: Re: Steambox: confirmed
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I've long been interested in PC gaming but can't be doing with the faff so this sounds bloody enticing. I'm sure I'm not alone out there looking in on the exciting world of personal computing envious about the next little indie game that everyone is talking about.

If this launches with Half Life 3 as some kind of exclusive it'll sell a bucket load.

Is DayZ on Steam?

How would modding stuff work?

Does Steam sell mods?

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 Post subject: Re: Steambox: confirmed
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 23:15 
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Yes.

No.

Your mother.

Possibly.

I dunno man, too many questions, so I just made those answers up.

PC gaming really isn't much of a faff now, by the way, with or without a SteamBox. PCs have never been cheaper and easier to use than they are now.

Just buy any off the shelf mid-range gaming PC with Windows 7 pre-installed, stick Steam on there, plug a 360 gamepad in, and it really is just job done.


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 Post subject: Re: Steambox: confirmed
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So why not stick that under your telly?

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So why not stick that under your telly?


Because many other programs look like poop when displayed on a TV, even if you set windows to giant-text mode :(

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So why not stick that under your telly?


Because many other programs look like poop when displayed on a TV, even if you set windows to giant-text mode :(

Don't know if it works the same in current Windows versions, but in XP the way to go was to fiddle with the DPI setting buried somewhere in the advanced screen settings. This would resize window borders, buttons, icons and so on as well as text.


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 Post subject: Re: Steambox: confirmed
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This is the company that force updates on my Football Manager game, thus breaking it every couple of weeks, once I'm forced to use their platform to run my boxed game in the first place? Their console is going to be a breath of fresh air!


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How much of that is Steam's fault, and how much Sega/sigames for releasing a bug ridden heap of shit year in, year out?

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 Post subject: Re: Steambox: confirmed
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I'm quite intrigued by this. The little Revo under the telly (mostly used for XBMC) could also play modern games with whizzy gfx it would be fantastic, so if the Steambox could also be used as a nice media centre too I'd be really likely to get one for the living room, and then I could set the Revo up in the bedroom or something.

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This is the company that force updates on my Football Manager game, thus breaking it every couple of weeks, once I'm forced to use their platform to run my boxed game in the first place? Their console is going to be a breath of fresh air!


You can turn off automatic updates on a per-game basis, from what I remember.

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 Post subject: Re: Steambox: confirmed
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it might lead to Steam coming out for the likes of Ubuntu eventually.


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This is now an open beta, so I've tried it and it works nicely. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Steambox: confirmed
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so who would win a half life match between a steambox and a pc steam user?

that seems for me the weak point..

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 Post subject: Re: Steambox: confirmed
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I accidentally invoked BIG PICTURE mode this evening when I was prepping my wired 360 pad for our Saturday night DiRT2 Chapel Run face off (I fucking lost).

It's really really good.

Properly as slick as any of the console interfaces, but without being fucked up by loads of adverts and shit you don't want to see. I could basically do everything I wanted to just using a pad, no mouse and keyboard? No problem.

It all looked nice and shiny and swooshy and had loads of cool ambient sound stuff going on as well.

If Steam get the Steambox out of the door at the right price, I reckon they could take a serious chunk out of the next-gen console market.


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 Post subject: Re: Steambox: confirmed
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Already?


Ooof.

It hurts my eyes just to look at it.

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 Post subject: Re: Steambox: confirmed
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Nvidia handheld device that can access a networked PC's Steam library plus as it runs Android, you'll have all those games too. Interesting.

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I'm sure it'll be a roaring success!


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 Post subject: Re: Steambox: confirmed
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Those rubbish clip-on screens from the PSOne and the giant original Xbox controller, together at last!!


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 Post subject: Re: Steambox: confirmed
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I like stuff like this, but that is one ugly looking piece of kit.

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 Post subject: Re: Steambox: confirmed
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Kotaku have an article on the new Steam machine...the article suggests it's more of a PC that you use with your TV rather than a console (but at this point surely that is a matter of semantics). Looks sweet though.

http://kotaku.com/5973986/here-we-go-va ... ff-tonight

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There's going to be a lot of leads hanging out of the back of suck a small box.


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 Post subject: Re: Steambox: confirmed
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There's going to be a lot of leads hanging out of the back of suck a small box.


What a ridiculous fucking thing, they won't get any sort of horsepower into a tiny little enclosure like that.

Plus, according to Eurogamer it'll cost a fucking fortune.

Valve won't be this stupid. The reveal must be something else. Not that fucking thing.


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Pffft. The graphics card in my washing machine is bigger than that... toy.


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Pffft. The graphics card in my washing machine is bigger than that... toy.


It's barely spicy AT ALL!

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Yes. And it boils things hotter than other things can. It boiled its freon coolant.


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Tsk, without a decent sized next gen LED mafipulator it'll never dessicate all the clink from my RAM plugs whilst I game. :(

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I think it's super kewl n that.


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 Post subject: Re: Steambox: confirmed
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Well, i can't be bothered reading the details, but the patents exist with respect to "systems and methods for providing a universal computing system".
Fig 2 here looks like the image in the photo.

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 Post subject: Re: Steambox: confirmed
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Pretty cool new addition to Steam in the form of Community Guides.

It's basically a sort of Game FAQs but integrated into the Steam client itself and generated by the Steam community itself, bang right up to date as well.

Just used this little guide to get 11 more golden keys :D

Nice and simple to CTRL+C from the guide and then CTRL+V to paste them over into the game itself.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21677119

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Valve readies prototype Steam Box video game console

Valve expects to offer prototypes of its upcoming video games console for testing within four months time.

The firm's chief executive Gabe Newell revealed the news to the BBC ahead of the British Academy of Film and Television Arts (Bafta) Games Awards.

Valve's online PC games store Steam has already proven highly popular and analysts suggest the console, called Steam Box, could have a big impact.

Mr Newell is being honoured with an Academy Fellowship at the event.

He was less forthcoming about whether his firm was actively working on new sequels to its hit science fiction franchises Half Life and Portal.

Portal 2 - a puzzle based game involving a prisoner trying to escape test chambers controlled by a homicidal computer - won best game and two other awards at last year's Baftas.

Its upcoming Steam Box hardware is designed to make it easy to access the service via living room televisions posing a challenge to Nintendo's Wii U, the upcoming Sony PlayStation 4 and Microsoft's next Xbox.

"We're working with partners trying to nail down how fast we can make it," Mr Newell told the BBC.

"We'll be giving out some prototypes to customers to gauge their reactions, I guess, in the next three to four months.

"There are noise issues and heat issues and being able to [deal with] that while still offering a powerful enough gaming experience is the challenge in building it."

He added that his company had still to finalise how the console's controller would work as it continued to explore the possibility of including sensors to measure the gamers' body states.

"If you think of a game like Left For Dead - which was trying to put you into a sort of horror movie - if you don't change the experience of what the player is actually feeling then it stops being a horror game," Mr Newell explained.

"So you need to actually be able to directly measure how aroused the player is - what their heart rate is, things like that - in order to offer them a new experience each time they play."

One industry analyst said Valve's effort to transform itself from a games creator to an online marketplace was impressive, but added that it was still too soon to know if the Steam Box would be a success.

"I don't have any doubt they will put forth an impressive machine and it's pretty clear that at launch they will have a significant games catalogue," said Lewis Ward from IDC.

"But the surrounding app ecosystem is unlikely to match other consoles which have Netflix, video conferencing tie-ins and other non-gaming aspects.

"And we still don't know the price - Valve will be unable to subsidise its console in the same way the other manufacturers do, so that remains a major unknown."


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 Post subject: Re: Steambox: confirmed
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So that little box up there is apparently going to cost $1000. Erm, no thanks?


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And Valve disowns it.


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Ahem.

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Xi3 strike back: http://www.vg247.com/2013/03/13/piston- ... for-valve/

First on the defensive:

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“We reaffirm the fact that we received an investment from Valve Corporation (as we previously disclosed during the 2013 International CES trade show), and we did so with Valve’s written permission,” Xi3 CEO Jason A. Sullivan said in a statement published on Kotaku.

“Second, we were asked to build a product specifically for Valve, and both companies showcased this product – the Piston Console -in their respective booths at CES 2013.”

Sullivan said he met with Valve boss Gabe Newell at CES, and was asked not to disclose any additional information about their “relationship”, but that Xi3 needs to sort out a few things.

The executive said Piston is not the “official” SteamBox, but also noted that “just because Valve may not ‘currently’ have any ‘involvement with any product of [Xi3]‘s doesn’t mean that such involvement won’t exist in the future”.

This mysterious statement aside, Sullivan said Piston will be able to access Steam regardless of any relationship with Valve, as well as many other gaming an entertainment platforms. “Which is more than what Valve apparently has planned for its official SteamBox,” he added.
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Piston, he explained, is a modular computer, “that can run any operating system or application designed to run on an x86-based 64-bit computer”.

“To be clear, the Piston Console will ship initially with a Windows operating system specifically because that’s where the vast bulk of game software and computer gamers are today. That said, the Piston Console can also run Linux (and other operating systems), which means it can support the Linux-version of Steam.

Contrary to Valve’s vision, Xi3 believes that the way to take this to market today is to do so with a Windows OS at the core, coupled with the ability to not just get to one platform/store for games, but to get access to all game stores/platforms. Studios should have the option to go through Steam if they choose or to go direct to the end-user if they so choose. That will be the difference between Piston and other Steam boxes. You’ll be able to access Steam if you choose, but you’ll also be able to access other platforms as well-all through the Piston Console.”
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 Post subject: Re: Steambox: confirmed
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So it's just a tiny little PC, basically.


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So it's just a tiny little PC, basically.

The Xi3 is, sure. That's all it was ever presented as, to be fair, right back to the Kickstarter.


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So it's just a tiny little PC, basically.

The Xi3 is, sure. That's all it was ever presented as, to be fair, right back to the Kickstarter.


Well yes, I was just expecting it to be a bit more 'Steamy' if you get my drift :)

It's an enticing little box in a lot of ways, until you see the price.....


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I can see why Valve are backing away from it, if Xi3 have just come out and said "Well obviously it won't only be for Steam..."

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I can see why Valve are backing away from it, if Xi3 have just come out and said "Well obviously it won't only be for Steam..."
No, Xi3 said that after Valve backed away. It's just damage control I think.

I think it's down to price. I think Valve couldn't have "Steambox" and "$1000" in too many headlines together at this point in the game. We know it's planning a three-pronged strategy for Steamboxen:

1) an AppleTV-style streamer, that plays games hosted on a computer on your LAN, a bit like OnLive or nVidia Shield, circa $99
2) an actual Valve-branded Steambox "console", running Linux, that plays games itself, circa $300-500
3) a certification programme for third parties, circa $lots

The Xi3 fits nicely into 3), but it's not great for Valve's PR to lead with it. Hence, I suspect, the to-ing and fro-ing yesterday.

Backwards compatibility with existing games is the big question mark over 2). A Steambox that can only play a handful of games from my Steam library isn't interesting. Devs won't port games over to Linux en masse, and software compatibility shims a la Wine is a problem lots of people have tried and failed at in the past. I'm genuinely puzzled what Valve is going to do to square this circle.

I think 1) might actually be the thing I care about here, although now my homebrew Steambox is tucked into a convenient alcove in my living room I'm not sure I need one any more.

Anyway, the Xi3 appears to be rather more expensive than (say) a mini-ITX based system, and to have very limited upgradability to boot. In return, you get something that's a little bit smaller, but that's not a compelling trade-off to my mind.


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Another theory I've seen mooted is that Valve has just signed some deal with an as-yet undisclosed hardware partner who has required exclusivity clauses that somehow conflict with the weak partnership it had in place with Xi3.


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Backwards compatibility with existing games is the big question mark over 2). A Steambox that can only play a handful of games from my Steam library isn't interesting. Devs won't port games over to Linux en masse, and software compatibility shims a la Wine is a problem lots of people have tried and failed at in the past. I'm genuinely puzzled what Valve is going to do to square this circle.


I think I've seen somewhere that Steam Linux has around 80 or 90 titles (which is way more than any console would launch with) , I would think a wrapper may be possible for *some* titles , and Lewie tweeted last week that there were rumors that the next COD would have a linux version (which would be a big thing to launch steambox with the latest COD bundled)

*not* Lewie's link but covers the main points

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Lewie tweeted last week that there were rumors that the next COD would have a linux version

I think that's extremely unlikely. Nothing's impossible, etc, but I'll be highly surprised if 2013 turns out to be the year of Linux on the game console.


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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Backwards compatibility with existing games is the big question mark over 2). A Steambox that can only play a handful of games from my Steam library isn't interesting. Devs won't port games over to Linux en masse, and software compatibility shims a la Wine is a problem lots of people have tried and failed at in the past. I'm genuinely puzzled what Valve is going to do to square this circle.


I think I've seen somewhere that Steam Linux has around 80 or 90 titles (which is way more than any console would launch with) , I would think a wrapper may be possible for *some* titles , and Lewie tweeted last week that there were rumors that the next COD would have a linux version (which would be a big thing to launch steambox with the latest COD bundled)

*not* Lewie's link but covers the main points

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013- ... with-steam


Holy shit, that entire article is made up of such industrial scale guesswork that it's actually sucking hard facts out of the other articles around it. Look at the cardhouse they build in this one sentence:

Quote:
Maybe there will even be a Modern Warfare 4 Piston bundle sold this autumn when the as yet unannounced new Call of Duty game will presumably be released.


A 'maybe' built on an 'as yet unannounced' bolstered with a 'presumably'. Quality journalism right there.


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