Be Excellent To Each Other

Grim... is taken away for interrogation, the last thing we see of him is a photo taken of him waving sitting on a toilet in a train somewhere. The toilet seat was electrified and Grim... screams "I'm a townie, i'm a townie"

Grim... was a townie.

<camera pulls back, in slides a scene with Gazchap, we see him driving a van and hear muffled screams from the back. He see TheFireFaerie out of the front window and guns the pedal. Just before he hits her he slumps in his seat, a shuriken sticking out of his temple. TheFireFaerie is crushed by the van and her FBI badge falls out of her pocket. A shadowy figure walks up to the badge and picks it up, but it crumbles in his hand, it was made of paper mache!>

Gazchap was a kidnapper
TheFireFaerie was a FBI Double Agent


Jock has 3 days until the kidnappers kill Kima.


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Here is what we know so far...


Roles

Jock Bower * 1
The hero. You cannot be targeted or killed.
Win condition - Kima is free
Secondary win condition - stop the bomb
Action - Interrogate
Alignment - Good

FBI Agent * ?
On the side of the good guys
Win condition - all bad guys dead
Action - Investigate - find out the alignment of a person
Alignment - Good

FBI Double Agent
On the side of the bad guys (but nobody knows that), you can talk to your FBI partner
Win condition - all good guys dead
Action - Investigate - find out the alignment of a person.
Alignment - Bad

Kidnapper * ?
You have Kima. As long as one of you are alive you are going to kill her at the start of day 6. You can talk to the other kidnappers. Each kidnapper taken out extends the deadline by a day.
Win condition - kill kima
Action - kill
Alignment - Bad

Head of CTU
You know who else is in CTU and can talk to them
Action - Protect - you can choose a person to bring into the agency overnight, nothing will happen to them.
Win condition - all bad guys dead
Alignment - Good

CTU Agent * ?
You can talk to the head of CTU.
Action - Block - you can choose a person to run an internet protocol event on, this stops them in their tracks for a night.
Win condition - all bad guys dead
Alignment - Good

Townies * ?
Win condition - all bad guys dead
Alignment - Good

Terrorist * 2
You have a nuclear bomb, as long as one of you are alive you are going to detonate it at the start of day 8. You know there is another terrorist, but you do not know who they are.
Win condition - BOOM!
Alignment - Bad





[playerlist]
Craster
zaphod79
Malc74
Mr Russell
Ian Fairies
KovacsC
[/playerlist]

Actions sent to me by 10pm Tuesday please If Jock interrogates sooner than that, then the next day will start sooner than the deadline if all actions are in, and I get a chance to log on and sort it all out, otherwise the deadline will stick.

Can a mod sort the dead thread please.

Okay, so conclusions...

Kidnapper kills TFF.
Kidnapper is presumably killed by SK.
TFF has been presumably feeding misinformation to Russ, who now looks pretty legit. (At least, I think so.)
My brain hurts.

Agreed on all counts.

Make sense also helps out how Russ could 'always' find a bad person the (odds were very much better than before) however since the kidnappers are still active (and so is the SK) there are at least 2 bad out of

Craster
zaphod79
Malc74
Mr Russell
Ian Fairies
KovacsC

We know Craster is Jock , it seems that Mr Russ is good , that leaves 4 'others' left

So the question is did Mr Russ find another bad person out that lot - if he found a good person then its probably not worth saying as it would just help the baddies not to target each other ?

Fucking crap.

Yesterday was the first day I took information off the fire faerie who told me Grim was bad. Before that I'd hit two baddies on my own.

Sorry Grim..., I was taken in.

I do have one last message from her from before she died saying '[redacted] is good. Looks like we got them all.'
Now I don't know if that means she found a baddie and was trying to protect him or not.

Thinking about it, did she even investigate, or just send me messages. Grr.

Her action is investigate so i'd think she would even if it was to know to thrown good guys under the bus rather than baddies - so that 'whoever' is good is suspect (but she may have been feeding you good information just in case) - if you didnt hit a bad character last night and that other person is around it may be worth investigating them ? (however if your hunches keep playing the same way they have so far you might be better just going for one of them).

If Mr Russ doesnt have a bad person then we need one more target tonight and pretty much need to hit a bad character otherwise we'll have 2 kills overnight which will just leave 3 players left ?

As long as we have a CTU head at least I can keep investigating overnight.

On my own.

Bitch.

[quote]I do have one last message from her from before she died saying '[redacted] is good. Looks like we got them all.'
Now I don't know if that means she found a baddie and was trying to protect him or not.[quote]

This could potentially be a game-winner. I wonder if TFF would get a good or bad result if she investigated the SK?

I think she'd get the correct response however the question is would she tell Russ the truth or not - I assume the idea she had was that everyone would turn on Russ today because he gave up a good guy yesterday which would caused him to be killed off today.

Russ dont answer who , but did you investigate a still living player and get that they were good last night ?

I think at this stage we're down to 2 baddies and 2 goodies left in that last block of four but the trick is to *not* hit the CTU head in the interrogation today which would mean Mr Russ gets another investigation tonight

Russ - were you and TFF both able to investigate at the same time? If so, then on the night before last, she gave you Grim... as a baddie, but you should have someone from that night and last night who is either good or bad. That might be enough to tell us who's who.

Sorry chaps for not inputting I have had a mad few days at work.


I am surprised to still be alive.

Of the people still alive I know that one of them is good. Everyone else we investigated is now dead.

And you've got one other person that TFF said was good, which has a strong possibility of being a lie.

So, out of

zaphod79
Malc74
Ian Fairies
KovacsC

You know of one confirmed good guy, and we know that there are two bad guys left.

So, 2/3 chance of hitting a bad guy if we let you pick, Russell. And probably even better if you choose the person that TFF said was good. Not bad odds.

Er... what went on here?

I knew that Grim... was a good egg.



(Well, I've been wrong twice so don't bother listening to me.)

This makes sense - and is probably our best choice right now , I have one other suggestion but that depends more on the permutations of players left so i'll not say it yet.

One other option is that the CTU head says who they are, and Russ says who the known good guy is. That leaves us with the two bad guys. The problem with that is that the bad guys would have to counter-claim CTU head, and there's no way to validate who's telling the truth.

This was my other suggestion but i didnt want to say it - the other complication is that if the CTU head is the person who Russ knows is good then its no advantage - if its someone else (and they are truthful) then we would know who the two bad people are.

Agreed. I think it's too dangerous at this stage.

Well if you want I can pick a person of those remaining, but there is of course the chance that I pick the CTU head. Best case scenario there is that the CTU Head is who I investigated and therefore I definitely won't pick them.

And the kidnappers kill Kima at the start of tomorrow.

You're the only one who has information that reduces the odds of us striking a good guy.

I also think it's worth going for the person that TFF said was good. There must have been a reason for her to say that.

How?

Why?

I kind of agree with this, but she would have known that I would have figured her out by this morning when Grim... was revealed to be a bad guy, so would she lie twice?

What was the timing around it - did she feed you the 'person is good' at some point in the past and then feed you Grim... from yesterday ?

If it was a while in the past then i think its probably more suspect because she would think you'll trust her and then not investigate that person

If she told you them both at the same time then I agree it doesn't really make sense.

Erm, I didn't, I was vocal about chopping him. And you. I'm rubbish though.

In previous games I am normally dead by now

Plus I am a townie so I expect the baddies to off me

Grim was from the night before, [redacted] was from last night (just before she was killed).

When Grim... was revealed as a townie, I'm willing to bet that she would have fed you a line about how it must have been some roleblock or some kind that led her to get a false result. You'd have then had two options

1) Buy it, and count it as bad luck
2) Immediately throw her to the wolves.

Any hesitation in the second action, and we'd have you lined up for a bit of non-judicial fun and games faster than a greased ferret up a trouser leg, and that would have been job done. You'd have been out of the game, and we'd have been none the wiser about who she was.

OK, well I'm happy to go for [redacted] as being interrogated if you agree Jock?

Yep.

For today looking at combinations :

Hitting the CTU head means that probably both sides will target Mr Russ and the next day starts with the kidnappers killing Kima.

Hitting the 1 remaining townie gives a lot more combinations because the baddies may hit each other but the CTU head can protect Mr Russ meaning that there will be at least Mr Russ + Jock + 1 other but unless the SK hits the kidnapper then thats the end for Kima.

Hitting the Kidnapper means the SK will kill either the townie or the CTU head but Mr Russ can do one more investigation so hopefully would know which of the two remaining people is good.

Hitting the SK means the kidnapper will kill one of the other remaining people but they hit the deadline and thats the end for Kima.

So the only way to get the right win condition is not just pick out a baddie but pick out the *right* baddie , we need to hit the Kidnapper and not the SK , or hit the townie and hope that the SK kills the kidnapper overnight.

I don't think there's anything we can do there except rely on luck. Unless the SK comes forward, but not knowing their win condition I'm not sure whether it would be to their benefit.

I think thats it - Mr Russ do you want to name the person and see if they have any comments ?

OK, well the person named by the double agent as being good is Ian Fairies.

Yay!

No, hang on, I'm going to get lynched ain't I?

Erm. I'm not convinced you quite understand.

Its like those bits at the end of X Factor or I'm a Celeb.

The first person who is *not* not leaving the Jungle tonight is ........

Announced after this break :-)

So right now your not the person that Mr Russ has investigated and knows is a good guy , and your someone that a bad person 'said' was good.

That may or may not have been a bluff , we dont know.

In my defence, this is the first time I've played (ever), and doubt I'd have been put in an interesting role like Serial Killer.

Plus I don't know what's going on.

However, I've already identified a pattern that might instil some doubt in your minds. What I "could" do is come up with some elaborate Maths based solution that's so elaborate that you would all nod along and stroke the fullness of your beards.

Or, when I'm floating upturned in Jock's bath tub, you could all feel like knobs.

But that'd be too late.

For you.

I'd imagine the Dead Thread is an absolute hoot right now, as they watch us blunder around without a fucking clue.
My head still hurts.

I just can't come up with a convincing reason why TFF would help by confirming a good guy who actually was a good guy.

Ahhh, but *points at calculator and whiteboard filled with numbers* hmmmm?

You raise a good point.

, apart from the fact she's probably laughing at it now :-)

As you said - its just a roll of the dice now - and even the 'wrong' move here still might work out (depending on the overnight actions)

If however Kovacs is a bad guy (in any way) I'll be really annoyed that he's not really contributed for the whole game

Hang on - question to Trooper

The start of 'today' says

"Jock has 3 days until the kidnappers kill Kima."

Is that correct ?

I thought the 6 days quoted was 6 days *including* the extra days for the kidnappers that have been killed , was it 6 to begin with and now its got those extra days ?