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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 14:34 
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What exactly do we mean when we start a sentence with 'Well?' as in 'Well, it's nearly time to call it a day.'

Or, 'so,' as in, 'So, what you're saying is, it's nearly time to call it a day.'

Either of those would work just as well without them.

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What exactly do we mean when we start a sentence with 'Well?' as in 'Well, it's nearly time to call it a day.'

Or, 'so,' as in, 'So, what you're saying is, it's nearly time to call it a day.'

Either of those would work just as well without them.

(You can tell I'm having a slow day, can't you?)


I use "so" to start a sentence loads...

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Not sure whether its in the same vein but I hate it when people end sentences with a lingering "or".


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Aren't they just fillers... like "now then, what's for dinner?"

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Malc wrote:
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What exactly do we mean when we start a sentence with 'Well?' as in 'Well, it's nearly time to call it a day.'

Or, 'so,' as in, 'So, what you're saying is, it's nearly time to call it a day.'

Either of those would work just as well without them.

(You can tell I'm having a slow day, can't you?)


I use "so" to start a sentence loads...

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Yes, that's often the case, they're just a filler for the beginning of a sentence, but better than 'Er...' I suppose.

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What exactly do we mean when we start a sentence with 'Well?' as in 'Well, it's nearly time to call it a day.'

Or, 'so,' as in, 'So, what you're saying is, it's nearly time to call it a day.'

Either of those would work just as well without them.

(You can tell I'm having a slow day, can't you?)


They're both conjunctions. You're using them to basically say 'what I'm saying leads on from what you just said or from something that has been previously discussed'.

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Not sure whether its in the same vein but I hate it when people end sentences with a lingering "or".

It's a prompt for an alternative, isn't it? Or...?

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Well I never......


(wtf does that actually mean? And did I need to say 'actually?')

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Not sure whether its in the same vein but I hate it when people end sentences with a lingering "or".

It's a prompt for an alternative, isn't it? Or...?


I prefer to use it as a hint that this is the wrong course of action the person I'm speaking to is choosing.

"Give me your money!"
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Well I never......


(wtf does that actually mean? And did I need to say 'actually?')

I would guess that comes from something like "well, I never saw anything like it" or "well, I never could have imagined", or "well I never did hear or such a thing"

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I use "so" to start a sentence loads...


Try working in Ireland, they use it to end sentences.

Everyone says "Hello". It doesn't mean what they think it means.

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I use "so" to start a sentence loads...


Try working in Ireland, they use it to end sentences.

Everyone says "Hello". It doesn't mean what they think it means.


Have you ever had to deal with an Irish Telecoms company?

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Try working in Ireland, they use it to end sentences.

Everyone says "Hello". It doesn't mean what they think it means.


Are you sure you're not thinking of Sicilians?

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Try working in Ireland, they use it to end sentences.

Everyone says "Hello". It doesn't mean what they think it means.


Are you sure you're not thinking of Sicilians?

That would be inconceivable.

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I use "so" to start a sentence loads...


Try working in Ireland, they use it to end sentences.


I do that. It feels right.

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I use "so" to start a sentence loads...


Try working in Ireland, they use it to end sentences.


I do that. It feels right.

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I use "so" to start a sentence loads...


Try working in Ireland, they use it to end sentences.

To be so.

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I use "so" to start a sentence loads...


Try working in Ireland, they use it to end sentences.

To be so.

Fair play to you.

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Not sure whether its in the same vein but I hate it when people end sentences with a lingering "or".

Guilty as charged. Either that, or "so..."

I became very self conscious about this a few months ago, after realising that almost everything I say when I'm trying to explain something to someone, ends in "or..." or "so..."

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One that's always really puzzled me is "ruthless" - there's no opposite to that, so the root word seems to be meaningless.

I've just done what I should have done ten years ago, and looked up the etymology:

early 14c., from reuthe "pity, compassion" (late 12c.), formed from reuwen "to rue" on the model of true/truth, etc. Ruthful (early 13c.) has fallen from use since late 17c. except as a deliberate archaism.

I'm reviving "ruthful".

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One that's always really puzzled me is "ruthless" - there's no opposite to that, so the root word seems to be meaningless.

I've just done what I should have done ten years ago, and looked up the etymology:

early 14c., from reuthe "pity, compassion" (late 12c.), formed from reuwen "to rue" on the model of true/truth, etc. Ruthful (early 13c.) has fallen from use since late 17c. except as a deliberate archaism.

I'm reviving "ruthful".


It's like 'gormless', my favourite definition of which is "to be without gorm".

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Quite. I called someone gormy once, to their utter confusion.

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One that's always really puzzled me is "ruthless" - there's no opposite to that, so the root word seems to be meaningless.

I've just done what I should have done ten years ago, and looked up the etymology:

early 14c., from reuthe "pity, compassion" (late 12c.), formed from reuwen "to rue" on the model of true/truth, etc. Ruthful (early 13c.) has fallen from use since late 17c. except as a deliberate archaism.

I'm reviving "ruthful".


It's like 'gormless', my favourite definition of which is "to be without gorm".

I've never understood the American term 'debunk.' I'm sure I've heard of thinks being 'bunk' i.e. nonsense, which would imply that debunking is saying something isn't nonsense, rather than what they seem to mean, which is to prove something to be wrong.

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Quite. I called someone gormy once, to their utter confusion.

Heh! It doesn't sound like a compliment, does it?

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Quite. I called someone gormy once, to their utter confusion.

Heh! It doesn't sound like a compliment, does it?

Probably led to a flammable situation.

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One that's always really puzzled me is "ruthless" - there's no opposite to that, so the root word seems to be meaningless.

I've just done what I should have done ten years ago, and looked up the etymology:

early 14c., from reuthe "pity, compassion" (late 12c.), formed from reuwen "to rue" on the model of true/truth, etc. Ruthful (early 13c.) has fallen from use since late 17c. except as a deliberate archaism.

I'm reviving "ruthful".


It's like 'gormless', my favourite definition of which is "to be without gorm".

I've never understood the American term 'debunk.' I'm sure I've heard of thinks being 'bunk' i.e. nonsense, which would imply that debunking is saying something isn't nonsense, rather than what they seem to mean, which is to prove something to be wrong.


Good point. Although they say they "could care less", when they mean "couldn't", so it's not surprising, really.

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One that's always really puzzled me is "ruthless" - there's no opposite to that, so the root word seems to be meaningless.

I've just done what I should have done ten years ago, and looked up the etymology:

early 14c., from reuthe "pity, compassion" (late 12c.), formed from reuwen "to rue" on the model of true/truth, etc. Ruthful (early 13c.) has fallen from use since late 17c. except as a deliberate archaism.

I'm reviving "ruthful".


It's like 'gormless', my favourite definition of which is "to be without gorm".

I've never understood the American term 'debunk.' I'm sure I've heard of thinks being 'bunk' i.e. nonsense, which would imply that debunking is saying something isn't nonsense, rather than what they seem to mean, which is to prove something to be wrong.


Good point. Although they say they "could care less", when they mean "couldn't", so it's not surprising, really.

Yes, I find that one very annoying .... but we're into the realms of Americanisms again.

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Oooh - sinister - what was that freeware game that was a bit like XCom that you linked on here ages ago? I can't find it.

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Good point. Although they say they "could care less", when they mean "couldn't", so it's not surprising, really.

Yes, I find that one very annoying .... but we're into the realms of Americanisms again.[/quote]

No, we're not. It's not an americanism, it's just wrong.

Anyone who isn't using sarcasm yet has so little regard for the conversation they are having with me & words they are using that the thing they say means the precise opposite of what they half-wittedly believe they are saying should, it follows, not make a fuss when I show equal disregard for what my fist is doing to their STUPID DUMB FACE.

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Oooh - sinister - what was that freeware game that was a bit like XCom that you linked on here ages ago? I can't find it.


That would be "An Ecuminical Matter"

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Good point. Although they say they "could care less", when they mean "couldn't", so it's not surprising, really.

Yes, I find that one very annoying .... but we're into the realms of Americanisms again.


No, we're not. It's not an americanism, it's just wrong.

Anyone who isn't using sarcasm yet has so little regard for the conversation they are having with me & words they are using that the thing they say means the precise opposite of what they half-wittedly believe they are saying should, it follows, not make a fuss when I show equal disregard for what my fist is doing to their STUPID DUMB FACE.

People who say 'could care less' are worse than paedophiles and should be killed.


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Good point. Although they say they "could care less", when they mean "couldn't", so it's not surprising, really.

Yes, I find that one very annoying .... but we're into the realms of Americanisms again.


No, we're not. It's not an americanism, it's just wrong.


You may be right, but I can't remember ever having heard an English person say this, they usually say they couldn't care less.

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Oooh - sinister - what was that freeware game that was a bit like XCom that you linked on here ages ago? I can't find it.


Crikey, that could be anything. There's gunrox, that was free but with microtransactions. It was a cartoony, online multiplayer-y thing that I played only briefly, but seemed playable enough. That was about 2 years ago, though.

Then there's UFO AI, which isn't exactly a remake, but is obviously another way of being XCOM. Singleplayer only as far as I know, but it was very entertaining a few years ago, and I believe there was a major update a few months ago. Well worth a look, even though it makes some quite major changes to the formula (and in 2008 there was no way to save during a mission, because some people making it were kind of dicks and liked to make out that having a save function was somehow beneath them, but maybe that's changed now. It still worked, though). Probably the best free one out there.

UFO 2000 is basically a multiplayer remake. I toyed with that very briefly, so couldn't tell you if it's any good.

The #all_genres/search/ufo/" class="postlink">UFO 'after-' series are available on gog.com - there are three of them called afterlight, aftershock, and aftereight, or something. I've played the first for many hours and it basically becomes unplayable in the final third, but is entertaining up to then. The others were apparently improved - the third one in particular was quite well-received. They're not free though, obv.

There's also email xcom if you fancy a stripped-down multiplayer.

The Pickfordses Naked War is broadly comparable - a cross between XCOM and chess, sort of. Multi only again, though, but we have several fans on here.

Jagged Alliance 2 is one of the best games I've ever played, and is the closest thing to an xcom game that isn't an xcom game or an attempt to be one. That's not free either, though.

There are probably others; I've played all sorts of nonsense, me. What else do you remember about it?

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I've never understood the American term 'debunk.' I'm sure I've heard of thinks being 'bunk' i.e. nonsense, which would imply that debunking is saying something isn't nonsense, rather than what they seem to mean, which is to prove something to be wrong.
Hmm. I'd guess if you prove something is "bunk" then you've reduced the amount of overall bunk in the world, and hence "debunked" existence a little.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 17:37 
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One that's always really puzzled me is "ruthless" - there's no opposite to that, so the root word seems to be meaningless.
I think I've linked to this before, but it's so good I'm going to do it again:

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It had been a rough day, so when I walked into the party I was very chalant, despite my efforts to appear gruntled and consolate.

I was furling my wieldy umbrella for the coat check when I saw her standing alone in a corner. She was a descript person, a woman in a state of total array. Her hair was kempt, her clothing shevelled, and she moved in a gainly way.

I wanted desperately to meet her, but I knew I'd have to make bones about it, since I was travelling cognito. Beknownst to me, the hostess, whom I could see both hide and hair of, was very proper, so it would be skin off my nose if anything bad happened. And even though I had only swerving loyalty to her, my manners couldn't be peccable. Only toward and heard-of behavior would do.

Fortunately, the embarrassment that my maculate appearance might cause was evitable. There were two ways about it, but the chances that someone as flappable as I would be ept enough to become persona grata or a sung hero were slim. I was, after all, something to sneeze at, someone you could easily hold a candle to, someone who usually aroused bridled passion.

So I decided not to risk it. But then, all at once, for some apparent reason, she looked in my direction and smiled in a way that I could make heads or tails of.

I was plussed. It was concerting to see that she was communicado, and it nerved me that she was interested in a pareil like me, sight seen. Normally, I had a domitable spirit, but, being corrigible, I felt capacitated—as if there were something I was great shakes at—and forgot that I had succeeded in situations like this only a told number of times. So, after a terminable delay, I acted with mitigated gall and made my way through the ruly crowd with strong givings.

Nevertheless, since this was all new hat to me and I had no time to prepare a promptu speech, I was petuous. Wanting to make only called-for remarks, I started talking about the hors d'oeuvres, trying to abuse her of the notion that I was sipid, and perhaps even bunk a few myths about myself.

She responded well, and I was mayed that she considered me a savory character who was up to some good. She told me who she was. "What a perfect nomer," I said, advertently. The conversation became more and more choate, and we spoke at length to much avail. But I was defatigable, so I had to leave at a godly hour. I asked if she wanted to come with me. To my delight, she was committal. We left the party together and have been together ever since. I have given her my love, and she has requited it.


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 Post subject: Re: Word that don't really mean anything
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 18:05 
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Myp did it first, though you perhaps did it more wordy.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 19:09 
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Craster wrote:
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Try working in Ireland, they use it to end sentences.

Everyone says "Hello". It doesn't mean what they think it means.


Are you sure you're not thinking of Sicilians?


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Jagged Alliance 2 is one of the best games I've ever played, and is the closest thing to an xcom game that isn't an xcom game or an attempt to be one. That's not free either, though.


http://www.jaggedalliance.com/en/back_i ... scription/

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Craster wrote:
sinister agent wrote:
Jagged Alliance 2 is one of the best games I've ever played, and is the closest thing to an xcom game that isn't an xcom game or an attempt to be one. That's not free either, though.


http://www.jaggedalliance.com/en/back_i ... scription/


Yeah, that's still in the "could go either way" stage, last I checked. It's doing the pseudo turn-based thing as well, which has of course resulted in lots of WORST GAME EAVERR nonsense from the obsessives.

I'm hopeful though, it looked promising, though the AI was non-existent on the last video.

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How the hell did we get from non-words to Jagged Alliance?


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 Post subject: Re: Word that don't really mean anything
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 21:18 
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sinister agent wrote:
Jagged Alliance 2 is one of the best games I've ever played, and is the closest thing to an xcom game that isn't an xcom game or an attempt to be one. That's not free either, though.



I'm replaying this right now but with the 1.13 patch. It's fantastic. It even adds multiplayer. GO GO OPEN SOURCE.


EDIT: Craster, I'll believe a JA3 when I see it. Though the video I saw of that (in German) looked quite good. I'm suspicious of how well the new wego-realtime thing will work. Wego is ok, but you really need short timespans for it to work in a game like JA, even with its interrupt system.

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I frequently end sentences with a benign "y'know?", and I FUCKING WISH I WAS DEAD.

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