Be Excellent To Each Other

So that's where you've been, you dirty souldier.

You really are obnoxious aren't you?

Unless someone is going to go to Mimi's house with a triaxial vibration transducer and HAV meter, 'the facts' (i.e. extent of HAV exposure, if any) aren't going to be established, are they now? And given that's the case, we can only work with what we've got, i.e. a clear description of significant vibration resulting in pins and needles and numbness, which as I've said are classic VWF early onset symptoms. So then, it would seem perfectly reasonable to state this as a real possibility for Mimi's own sake so that she's aware, and take whatever course of action she feels best, within the obvious limitations of what we can know.

If you're proposing to take competent HAV measurements on this, I'll await the results with interest and will be quite prepared to be stand corrected in those circumstances. However, assuming that you're not going to go to this trouble, how about you just wind your neck in and put your petty little personal agenda against me aside, in the face of my simply trying to help another member here? This didn't even concern you.

What about using one of the acrylic needles and one of a different material in combination? *

Maybe the 'grabbyness' of the acrylic needles means they don't slide over each other nice and smoothly but instead in a juddery way, so could it be that it might not be the stitches moving up the needle causing the vibrations, but the needles touching each other?

EDIT: * Don't do this though if you don't feel comfortable though, it's more just out of curiosity really.

Don't start throwing insults around again, Cavey You'll just get annoyed at yourself again.

*screws up piece of paper with '2 hours' written on it*

Damn.

Mimi, do you live near any ley lines?

Who had 31 minutes?

My bed is on a lay line WOOF WOOF </Flashheart>

Heh, whatever.
I'll still try and help someone out if *I* think I could prevent them from hurting themselves etc. irresespective of any hostility or anything else from other quarters, just as I'll react precisely as I see fit to anyone else responding to said post(s) in what I consider to be an entirely inappropriate manner.

Man, you try and help someone out and get crap for even that. Nice.

I love that Mimi feels sick while knitting and all of a sudden we need a "triaxial vibration transducer" to solve the problem

My bet: it'll pass in 9 months.

You seem very touchy Cavey, I didn't think any response to your posts carried any venom. Hope everything's ok, mate.

Thin skin, weak brain. Other than that I'm sure he's fine.

Yes, I am aware this could be construed as antagonistic. But frankly he reads everything as being antagonistic anyway, so I may as well embrace it.

Oh, the Zio explanation!

No I'm fine mate, but thanks for asking anyway. I trust things are OK with you.

I honestly couldn't see anything remotely contentious with my original post; for my sins I have conducted a great many HAV assessments in my line of work. Whilst I'm no doctor and the 'facts' are certainly limited, I thought I could use my knowledge of this particular field of expertise to help someone. Unfortunately however, things are never that simple here, as many of the subsequent responses and the sentiments behind them (with homnourable exceptions such as The Doc ), so amply demonstrate. No matter though, I'm sure I'll get over it.

Well I've taken her for a Guinness and the shaking seems to have stopped.

So, have there been other threads on here with fighting in them recently or what?

No, it's been really peaceful for the last month or so.

Just the SF4 thread LOL

Presumably because she's now sleeping?

Also, JC was getting a bit lairy with the CAPS and fucking bold text the other day.

Since Mr Chris fucked off and did us all a favor

Caps AND Bold?!

Was anyone hurt?

I said recently, not three months ago LOLZOR

She's not me. She'll do some spacky typing first.

Stop being such a jessie.

I occasionally feel like my leg is vibrating for no apparent reason. Like I've got a phone in my pocket on vibrate, only there isn't one.

Also, get over it.

Hi guys!

Firstly, stop arguing. I love you all equally.

Now,

As for a few things that have been aslked:

I have suffered with reynaud's syndroome in my toes and fingers - not so much now but when I was at Uni sometimes my fingers, or my toes, would sometimes lose feeling and go white and look like it was made of wax, but this was only when I was very cold, and why I wear mittens even in autumn. I have never known that it might be triggered by vibarartion, so maybe this is it.

The vibration is quite noticeable - I can feel it to the point where it feels like when I am brushing my teeth with one of those re-chargeable toothbrushes. Also, it makes me teeth feel 'smooth', like when I am on a bus jorurney and it makes my jaw feel numb (bus journeys also make me feel nauseous though... I don't know if that is related.

I have never, ever experienced this with other needles made of different materials - I have just switched the tips to wooden tips of the same gauge and it has stopped.

I do think it is the vibration rather than a chemical problem, because it s only affecting my left hand, which is the hand holding the needle that the stitches 'feed' from, and so the needle where the stitches are constantly movong along and causing the problem.

I do think I will do as Cavey says though - I do have other needle tips which I can use, and as I tried it again today to see if it still happened I don't think it is worth pursuing when I do have other needle options available. I just wondered if what I thought it might be was even possible... I have never heard of such a thing before, but then I have never used needles with these properties before - ether - the are brand new to the market and just launched or about to launch in the UK, so there isn't much infoormation on them yet, though they are made by a company that manufacers other needles (including the ones I have switched to) that are made of nickle-plate and laminated birch (both far 'firmer' needles).

Parm - I am on Ravelry, indeed I asked here because the folks here have a good level of science/nerd/research clout and I had already searched the Rav forums to see if I could find something similar, but have found no answers. I will not ask there quite yet as it is a) a new product to the market so not many people will have tried them and b) the forms there are, shall we say, a little 'touchy' if you ever find anything negative about anything... I probably will ask in time, but I thought I'd throw the idea out to the folks here as there are many knowledgeable folks

edited my spelings for mistakes. Read through six times because of guiness so typed slowly

edited to add that my finegsr did not go waxy white like they do in teh cold, but was like pins and needles. What nemmis said about feeling sick might also be a god point.

Also going to edit to say Hi to Cavey, who has been absent Nice to see you

Hiya! I just wanted to say, I think that reading Mimi's post the assumption was that the vibrations couldn't be that strong and so when you suggested White Finger people perhaps thought that seemed a bit over the top. I have to admit I thought it seemed a bit excessive as well since I work with power tools- I think in this instance a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I know that even using a pretty heavy drill for a short period I don't experience any side effects and so I dismiss the idea that such light vibrations as those recieved from a knitting needle could cause side effects.
Obviously though in this instance your knowledge in that particular field is more complete than ours. You also seem to have been checking the forum but not commenting recently to avoid any confrontations and so perhaps that subconciously when reading posts in response to you, you were already preparing yourself for a disagreement. Therefore when people expressed disbelief at you suggesting what sounded to most people who have knowledge of white finger (but not the extensive knowledge you seem to have) as an over the top solution, you were perhaps on the defensive where normally you would have explained your reasons as you then went on to do.
I hope you realise no one was having I go ( I don't think), I think you make our discussions more interesting since otherwise it can sometimes be a bunch of people expressing the same opinion but using different words

Well, in light of the link I posted earlier, I think that's highly relevent.

I dodn't really think that it could have been related. I went to the doctor when i was about 19-20 and she seemed highly unconrned, and said it was cold-related, so I didn;'t realise that it might have had another cause, especially as it mostly affected my feet. I have... what was it called Craig? Death foot, or something?

No.

'reaper feet' he calls them

See, I think I'd be more concerned about that than you appear to be.

My nose, too. My nose does not go white, though. It is called 'nose of DEATH'.

Another knitter with the same syndrome you have reporting VWF-like symptoms from knitting? It'd be a pretty steep coincidence if it wasn't related.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/medical_notes/260459.stm the BBC points out the link between VWF and Reynaud's Syndrome:



So Reynaud's means you have restricted blood pathways anyway, which makes them more vulnerable to damage from Vibration White Finger.

The Mortal Claw
Dr Frankenheimer's Disease
Michael Jackson Nose Syndrome
Frostfoot


All of these give special powers though, so look on the bright side.

but how does it smell?

Terrible!

hi5

I think Mimi was saying, that she didn't think it was related, but now you've mentioned it, it makes sense.

I think

Malc

Saying 'dodn't' probably didn't help her cause.

She's got a cold, you unsympath.

Mimi peeking round a corner earlier



Or

You are Susan Sto-helit AICMFP

I am very, very grateful to Capn' caveman for his help, as I am of everyone else who has pitched ideas. As I say, the vibrations are quite noticable... but I guess it s hard to explin I have never experienced anything like it, no matter what needles I have used - and the sensation starts to really bother me within minutes. As I said, I have switched the tips now and it has stopped (I say teh 'tips' as they are circular needles with interchangeable tips... they look liek this:


They are the wooden and nickel plate tips, the new ones are clear acrylic, like:


and they screw onto the same cables.

I am back with thw wooden ones now, and I feel much better

It is a shame, as the clear tips are very lightweight and quite flexible, but they really d make me feel bad

Yep. I mean I didn't even consider it might be a factor or at all retaled this mornig as it is somethig that only ever bothered me throgh cold, but now I wear mittens over mittens and shake my hands a lot and it doesn't really bother e much, so when posting this morning I didn't mention it as it didnt corss my minds that it might have been significant.

I'm now quite grateful I didn't buy Mrs Parm a set of those for her birthday last year like what I was going to. Who knew knitting could be so dangerous?

Question: What is the state of the art in knitting machines?
My mum had one and would occasionally knit us 70s-patterned jumpers and the like.

I once tried to see how to add a motor and connect it to my C64 but it was too complicated.

Surely, in these modern times... ?

Ooh, no - get them. These ones weren't out last year - they have only been out a coulep of weeks. You probably would have been buying the Harmony set (they are the wooden ones) or the options set (they are the nickel ones) the 'Zephyr' set (the acrylic ones - the ones that I am experiencing problems with) are new on the market. If Mrs Parm wanted a set I'd bet my shsoe it was the Harmony (wooden) set. The harmony set are wonderful - my absolure favourite needles, and the tips I have changed to now. They are quite popular and if she has expressed a liking for them, they'd make a lovely gift. i got mine for Christmas last year and I luffs them.

They are called Knitpicks in the US and Knitpro in the UK.

Homebrew CNC knitting machine? If you can incorporate some sort of lathe, I'm in.