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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:30 
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That's the Oreo update. I don't think you can revert it, bit I might be wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:43 
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Yeah, I got the same on my S8 the other day due to the Oreo update. It's mildly annoying but, aside from the 'alt-tab' switch which they've thankfully kept, I don't really use the app switcher so I imagine I'll get used to it pretty quickly.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 13:28 
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Bamba wrote:
Yeah, I got the same on my S8 the other day due to the Oreo update. It's mildly annoying but, aside from the 'alt-tab' switch which they've thankfully kept, I don't really use the app switcher so I imagine I'll get used to it pretty quickly.


How do you switch apps?


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 14:37 
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My car started flat out refusing to accept my phone supports android auto.

Today it worked again except that Google crashed repeatedly whenever I pressed the button to ask it for directions. Which I only needed to do because my saved Work location wasn't showing up to tap on.

I had to unplug it, start the navigation to work in normal maps, then plug it in again so it just continued the existing nav.

Google assistant and maps keep forgetting I've accepted whatever it is that needs accepting to get assistance or store history.

I usually can't get it to play music that's stored on my phone either.

It's pretty much all broken, is what I'm saying, and getting worse.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 17:31 
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Findus Fop wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Yeah, I got the same on my S8 the other day due to the Oreo update. It's mildly annoying but, aside from the 'alt-tab' switch which they've thankfully kept, I don't really use the app switcher so I imagine I'll get used to it pretty quickly.


How do you switch apps?


By tapping their icon to launch them.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 18:01 
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Bamba wrote:
Findus Fop wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Yeah, I got the same on my S8 the other day due to the Oreo update. It's mildly annoying but, aside from the 'alt-tab' switch which they've thankfully kept, I don't really use the app switcher so I imagine I'll get used to it pretty quickly.


How do you switch apps?


By tapping their icon to launch them.


What if that icon isn't on your homescreen? And you were just using it previously? You would go digging through your folders to find that app again?

IS THAT WHAT YOU'D DO?


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 18:23 
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Grim... wrote:
That's the Oreo update. I don't think you can revert it, bit I might be wrong.


You mean Pie

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 18:23 
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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 19:05 
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I can only assume that page looks different to you.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 19:06 
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That's the Oreo update. I don't think you can revert it, bit I might be wrong.


You mean Pie

Probably. There doesn't seem to be be much in them to tell them apart any more.

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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 19:09 
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Grim... wrote:
I can only assume that page looks different to you.

Haha! I checked in an incognito window and everything.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 20:10 
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Findus Fop wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Findus Fop wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Yeah, I got the same on my S8 the other day due to the Oreo update. It's mildly annoying but, aside from the 'alt-tab' switch which they've thankfully kept, I don't really use the app switcher so I imagine I'll get used to it pretty quickly.


How do you switch apps?


By tapping their icon to launch them.


What if that icon isn't on your homescreen? And you were just using it previously? You would go digging through your folders to find that app again?

IS THAT WHAT YOU'D DO?


Yep, like some kind of caveman. In seriousness though, it's often still quicker then going through a random list of apps. If the one you're after isn't in the most recent 2 or 3 then you're almost certainly quicker just going to where you know it will be.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 20:18 
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Bamba wrote:
Findus Fop wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Findus Fop wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Yeah, I got the same on my S8 the other day due to the Oreo update. It's mildly annoying but, aside from the 'alt-tab' switch which they've thankfully kept, I don't really use the app switcher so I imagine I'll get used to it pretty quickly.


How do you switch apps?


By tapping their icon to launch them.


What if that icon isn't on your homescreen? And you were just using it previously? You would go digging through your folders to find that app again?

IS THAT WHAT YOU'D DO?


Yep, like some kind of caveman. In seriousness though, it's often still quicker then going through a random list of apps. If the one you're after isn't in the most recent 2 or 3 then you're almost certainly quicker just going to where you know it will be.


Oh I only do it if I'm literally switching between apps e.g. From 1 password to chrome browser.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 21:16 
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Findus Fop wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Findus Fop wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Findus Fop wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Yeah, I got the same on my S8 the other day due to the Oreo update. It's mildly annoying but, aside from the 'alt-tab' switch which they've thankfully kept, I don't really use the app switcher so I imagine I'll get used to it pretty quickly.


How do you switch apps?


By tapping their icon to launch them.


What if that icon isn't on your homescreen? And you were just using it previously? You would go digging through your folders to find that app again?

IS THAT WHAT YOU'D DO?


Yep, like some kind of caveman. In seriousness though, it's often still quicker then going through a random list of apps. If the one you're after isn't in the most recent 2 or 3 then you're almost certainly quicker just going to where you know it will be.


Oh I only do it if I'm literally switching between apps e.g. From 1 password to chrome browser.


If it's just between your last two most recently used apps then just double tap the switcher button to alt-tab.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 21:42 
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Bamba wrote:
Findus Fop wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Findus Fop wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Findus Fop wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Yeah, I got the same on my S8 the other day due to the Oreo update. It's mildly annoying but, aside from the 'alt-tab' switch which they've thankfully kept, I don't really use the app switcher so I imagine I'll get used to it pretty quickly.


How do you switch apps?


By tapping their icon to launch them.


What if that icon isn't on your homescreen? And you were just using it previously? You would go digging through your folders to find that app again?

IS THAT WHAT YOU'D DO?


Yep, like some kind of caveman. In seriousness though, it's often still quicker then going through a random list of apps. If the one you're after isn't in the most recent 2 or 3 then you're almost certainly quicker just going to where you know it will be.


Oh I only do it if I'm literally switching between apps e.g. From 1 password to chrome browser.


If it's just between your last two most recently used apps then just double tap the switcher button to alt-tab.


Excellent, problem solved! Cheers


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:50 
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Android Q beta hands-on from Ars Technica:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/03 ... -controls/


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 13:28 
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"A lot of things are half-implemented, inconsistent, or broken, but this is just a beta"

Google, continually innovating in the "meaning of beta" space!

"In Android Q, only swiping from left to right will dismiss a notification" .. "This is deeply ingrained in my muscle memory, and to now only be able to swipe to the left to dismiss is a dramatic change."

So dramatic they can't describe it consistently!

I do really like that change though. Hopefully flippable for southpaws.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 13:58 
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If they think that build is half-baked, they should see what’s on my phone!

But seriously it’s a public beta released months earlier in the process than has ever happened before. This one really is a “developer preview”.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 15:04 
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Beta used to mean feature complete, ready for wider testing. This sounds alpha at best.

Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely all for getting stuff out early (I'm pushing that at our legacy engineering firm where a lot of "it's only software" still exists and multi-year-*late* first releases happen) but don't call it a beta!


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 15:22 
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Also, sorry if I'm coming across all old man shouts at cloud and tetchy.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 16:01 
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I don't agree. Beta is only really defined, in my opinion, in the context of the release cycle, and can mean very different things for different products. For example, we've seen "beta tests" of games lately that take place only weeks before the game ships, and on final or very close to final code -- but of course it's the server infrastructure they are testing, and the infrastructure itself is in beta. In Android, we have a beta that is far from code complete, but it's just as valid a use of "beta" in my opinion.

Wikipedia:
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Pre-alpha refers to all activities performed during the software project before formal testing.
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The alpha phase of the release life cycle is the first phase to begin software testing (alpha is the first letter of the Greek alphabet, used as the number 1). In this phase, developers generally test the software using white-box techniques. Additional validation is then performed using black-box or gray-box techniques, by another testing team.
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Beta, named after the second letter of the Greek alphabet, is the software development phase following alpha. Software in the beta stage is also known as betaware.[3] Beta phase generally begins when the software is feature complete but likely to contain a number of known or unknown bugs.[4] Software in the beta phase will generally have many more bugs in it than completed software, speed or performance issues, and may still cause crashes or data loss. The focus of beta testing is reducing impacts to users, often incorporating usability testing. The process of delivering a beta version to the users is called beta release and this is typically the first time that the software is available outside of the organization that developed it.


That all seems fair enough to me, and in line with my understanding of the Android release process.

https://developer.android.com/preview/r ... notes.html has plenty of upfront disclaimers.
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This Beta release is designed for use in compatibility testing and early development only. Please be aware of these general notes about the release:

This release may contain various stability and performance issues on devices that may make it not suitable for daily use on phone or tablet.
System and app performance are known to be periodically slow and janky, and devices may become occasionally unresponsive.
Battery life may be regressed in this early release for screen-on and screen-off use cases.
Some apps may not function normally on Beta 1. This includes Google's apps as well as other apps.
This early build is not Compatibility Test Suite (CTS) approved.


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 Post subject: Re: Google Android
PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 17:41 
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"feature complete"

Maybe the ars description of things not being finished is wrong. Can't call the missing bits of a feature a "known bug".


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