Be Excellent To Each Other

Maybe, but it seems to me I can barely post anything at all, not even in the car thread, these days. Oh well.

I just want someone to have a bit of knockabout fun as a lighthearted distraction from work, without feeling as though my every syllable is being scrutinised to the nth degree, I'm being trolled or whatever. Got any suggestions?

Maybe, but it seems to me I can barely post anything at all, not even in the car thread, these days. Oh well.

I just want someone to have a bit of knockabout fun as a lighthearted distraction from work, without feeling as though my every syllable is being scrutinised to the nth degree, I'm being trolled or whatever. Got any suggestions?

Maybe, but it seems to me I can barely post anything at all, not even in the car thread, these days. Oh well.

I just want someone to have a bit of knockabout fun as a lighthearted distraction from work, without feeling as though my every syllable is being scrutinised to the nth degree, I'm being trolled or whatever. Got any suggestions?

Fruit machine emulation is very civilised these days

Maybe, but it seems to me I can barely post anything at all, not even in the car thread, these days. Oh well.

I just want someone to have a bit of knockabout fun as a lighthearted distraction from work, without feeling as though my every syllable is being scrutinised to the nth degree, I'm being trolled or whatever. Got any suggestions?

I just want someone to have a bit of knockabout fun as a lighthearted distraction from work, without feeling as though my every syllable is being scrutinised to the nth degree, I'm being trolled or whatever. Got any suggestions?

Maybe, but it seems to me I can barely post anything at all, not even in the car thread, these days. Oh well.

I just want someone to have a bit of knockabout fun as a lighthearted distraction from work, without feeling as though my every syllable is being scrutinised to the nth degree, I'm being trolled or whatever.

Wait, one post ago I was a laughable figure beneath your contempt who doesn't even drive a £70k Porsche, but now I'm an evil bully who's stopping you from enjoying the forum? I had no idea I was so two-faced!

At least one of them is true! And you won't believe which one...

It's funny because your Porsche is £95k

Hey no worries Matt, I've had a really shit week with big worries and have been up since 5am, sorry if I've been a bumptious knob here. Time to cool my heels

Sorry, love. You'd think it being bright yellow would have clued me into it being a lemon.

EVERYONE IS HAPPY AND TALKING ABOUT CARS AGAIN!

My Tomcat hasn't moved in ages.

Maybe, but it seems to me I can barely post anything at all, not even in the car thread, these days. Oh well.

I'm not a "kid" any more but honestly thinking of getting rid of my car. Feel like it's burning through cash (leaking coolant AGAIN) and 99% of the time I only use it to go to the gym, which is fucking ironic in itself.

I just need to learn to ride a bicycle without falling off...

I am off to go and do this in March.

Pro tip: Don't join a gym in your town. Cycle to a gym in the next town over, but don't join it, either. Cycle back. After a few months, cycle to the gym two towns over.

Are we seriously arguing that normalised, mean wages haven't increased from the 1980s?

Employees aged 21 in 1995 earned 40% more after adjusting for inflation by the age of 39 than those aged 21 in 1975 did up to the age of 39

The difference between male and female average pay for the under 30s has decreased dramatically since 1975.

Since 2011 the top 10% of full-time earners have had the largest falls in wages after adjusting for inflation.

Since 1975 average earnings for full-time employees have more than doubled after accounting for inflation.

Since the introduction of the National Minimum Wage, wage growth at the bottom of the earnings distribution has been strong for both full and part-time employees.

Hourly wage inequality has fallen across the regions and devolved countries of the UK since 1998

...

Adjusting for inflation to put wages into a 2013 equivalent and comparing the age range 21 to 39 shows that those who started work in 1995 earned 40% more than their counterparts who started work in 1975. A similar comparison of the age range 21 to 49 shows that those who started work in 1985 earned 18% more than their 1975 counterparts.

The difference in earnings between the 1975 and latter cohorts means that those who started work in 1975 had to work between three and four years onger than those who started in 1985 to accumulate the same amount of earnings and between five and six years longer than those who started in 1995.

...

Rather than track a cohort over time it is also possible to look at a snapshot of earnings in any particular year. In 1975 the median wage, the value at which half of employees earned less and half earned more, was £6.17 (in 2013 prices). By 2013 the median had risen to £11.56 per hour, an increase after taking account for inflation of 87%.

Looking across the age range we can see that for all age’s employees in 2013 on average earned more than their counterparts within the same age group did in 1975.

You should start a Hardcore cars thread.

Right, I'm back at my laptop, instead of trying to piss about with a smart phone on the Underground. Where were we? (Oooh I quoted myself, bad Cavey! )
Everyone has called bullshit/anecdote on me for claiming that real terms average wages - adjusting for inflation etc. - haven't increased since the early 80s (which seems utterly bizarre to me, so obvious it is that this has indeed happened, but still). I was in no position to provide citations/data, being indisposed on said underground, but just because I can't do this instantly due to incovenience, doesn't make the assertion untrue and/or unfounded anecdote. Google is your friend.

Here's some stuff from our old mates at the ONS:
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... cades.html

Quoted directly and verbatim from this source:



...Very Oops. Anyone need an autographed version, chaps?

I suppose it's expecting too much for you to say sorry, eh Gaywood.
Nice to have the last laugh though!

Of course mate, I'm too consumed by jealousy to possibly riposte.

Envy.

Mate, if you think I'm the one with egg on my face here, I got bad news for you. Tell you what, when I'm off this train I'll post some stuff showing that the normalised, inflation adjusted average wage is higher now than in the early 1980s when I started driving, which no doubt you'll ignore or come back with totally irrelevant crap like you did before, "cars were easier to repair in the early 80s" no shit, Sherlock.

You feign amusement, Gaywood, but seething resentment and jealousy positively boils from your every post my old son, sorry.

When all is said and done, even if I am talking crap, I'm the one getting back into a £70k Porsche, so y'know, I'll get over it.

Wait, showing mean wages going up in isolation means nothing doesn't it? Surely you have to factor in how much the cost of living has gone up in that time as well. If wages have doubled (adjusted for inflation) but house prices have gone up 10x and cost of living has gone up 4x then disposable income is less, surely?

Nominal wage growth below the rate of price inflation has resulted
in real wages falling for the longest sustained period since at least 1964.

Real wages growth was volatile during the 1970s when inflation rates were high and variable. Since
then growth has fluctuated less, but has been on a broadly downwards trend. There appear to have
been small step changes down in real wages growth occurring around the end of each decade,
perhaps in response to the UK or global recessions which occurred at those times. Annual real wage
growth averaged 2.9% in the 1970s and 1980s, then roughly halved to 1.5% in the 1990s. The rate
slowed again to an average of 1.2% in the 2000s, and real wages fell by 2.2% per annum between
Q1 2010 and Q2 2013.

He said: "The UK has experienced the most prolonged pay squeeze in over a century in wake of the financial crisis, with young people feeling the biggest pay squeeze of all."

Millennials - people aged 34 and under - earned £8,000 less over the course of their 20s compared to the generation before them, he added.

I am off to go and do this in March.

I've never done one of these things before. My Dad did one years ago at Castle Combe and from being a boy racer he shat his pants and drove a Formula Ford round in Milk Float mode to the point where it took him that long to do the lap we figured he had spun off and died.

So how do I not end up like that? Any tips?

no road car can even touch it for the experience.

Not even a £70k Porsche? Wow. It must be amazing then.

For flips sake, it says allowing for inflation, people. I hardly think the ONS are going to make that mistake before making their (crystal clear) assertions. It also says ALL age groups, not just 38 year olds (or whatever). Read it.

As for the ONS being supposedly wrong, well, take that up with them, I've said all I need or want to say about it, case closed.

For flips sake, it says allowing for inflation, people.

Nobody's saying it's wrong. That report is just irrelevant to the topic.

Are we seriously arguing that normalised, mean wages haven't increased from the 1980s?

Hahaha! Anecdote = fact it seems.

They haven't, they've actually gone down a little

This is an amazing post. I might print it out and frame it. Bravo.

Rather than track a cohort over time it is also possible to look at a snapshot of earnings in any particular year. In 1975 the median wage, the value at which half of employees earned less and half earned more, was £6.17 (in 2013 prices). By 2013 the median had risen to £11.56 per hour, an increase after taking account for inflation of 87%.

Looking across the age range we can see that for all age’s employees in 2013 on average earned more than their counterparts within the same age group did in 1975.

It talks about earnings growth for people who reach the age of 39, having been 21 in 1995. It doesn't even slightly touch on disposible income or even earnings for those who are currently 18-21.

Here's what I said:

Can you demonstrate that levels of disposable income for people in their 20s has grown in the last thirty years?

Hahaha! Anecdote = fact it seems.

Aside from the basic facts of the situation, you know I was actually there, right? So I can tell you first hand what it was like, not only for young people as I was, but also our parents and neighbours. Not one new car on our street, for instance; my old mum sewed and repaired all out clothes as kids, and we ate very basic home cooked food, and this despite both my parents working full time.