markg wrote:
Cavey wrote:
markg wrote:
Yeah doctors, fucking arseholes!
...Which I didn't say of course, but heaven forbid anyone - least of all me - having the temerity to call out anyone who works in the NHS and must therefore be beyond all reproach and any criticism according to the impartial St Markg.
Not "anyone in the NHS" just pretty much every single doctor. And no you didn't call them arseholes, because they're doctors, which causes a problem for you and those of your ilk. You can bet that if they weren't that they'd be getting called every name under the fucking sun.
I mean seriously, what on Earth are you talking about..? It's difficult to unpick and decode your various chip-on-shoulder resentments and on this occasion you've simply lost me I'm afraid.
Yes, I didn't call doctors "arseholes", you're quite right - glad we agree. Nor do I think that either, so the "problem" you describe does not arise.
Like I say, it's difficult to know what you're implying here, but if you're meaning that doctors - being the creme de la creme of their academic intake, and having received many years of intense training, to do a very difficult job - are better than the likes of me, well, I'll make it easy for you Marky: you'd be quite right. Contrary to whatever warped perceptions you may have me here, I'd be the first to admit it, and am doing.
However, this doesn't mean they're beyond all reproach and criticism (including from their intellectual inferiors; perhaps we bring other things to the table and even if we don't, we're all taxpayers and therefore stakeholders here).
I realise, of course, that in your case it is very likely impossible for you to see the other side of this argument, but actually, many people deplore the notion of doctors going on strike, denying people thousands of operations. You'll recall Apod posting that union flyer or whatever it was that was highly selective in terms of the examples/information it gave in terms of justifying the strike - I get very suspicious and cynical when I see such propaganda (I have the same arguments with wild-eyed Scottish Nationalists who insist on using very carefully picked, narrow and out of date economic data to try to justify the supposed (and comprehensively debunked) economic case for Scottish independence). At the end of the day, if you have to cherry pick and use selective information to justify your case then at the very least, there has to be another side to the coin, think about it.
On a more personal note, I do wish you would chill out FFS. Until recently I assumed you were some young firebrand in his 20s but it turns out you're some old guy in his mid-40s I believe, probably only 3-4 years younger than me? Shit, I know everyone (including me) gets passionate and hot under the collar from time to time, but you? You seem to have only one setting of coil-springed, seething resentment, ready to jump down anyone's (usually mine) throat who dares to speak against your utterly rigid, unbending world view? Sheesh, you're old enough to remember Rik from
The Young Ones, right...?
Looking at what's transpired in even the lifetime of this forum; I've been told austerity would never work - and yet we now have 2 million+ more in work and our economy is doing better than any other developed economy as confirmed by the IMF et al, as I've linked to and so on. Does this not, at the very least, make you question your devout beliefs?
In terms of the NHS, virtually no other country on Earth does things the same way, i.e. a 1940s Socialist wet dream of massive, unweildy, monolithical, centralised control, with all the catastrophic cock ups costing billions upon billions in recent years that even you concede - if this
ideology (for that is what it is) is so "good", why does no-one else do it?
You'll find it hard to believe but when I was at the age that I actually thought you were, i.e. right up to my mid-20s, I was a staunch Labour supporter, but in the end I simply could not ignore the empirical evidence presented to me time and again, and of course, never more borne out than for the UK itself from 2010 to the present day. I may not be as gifted and intelligent as a good doctor, but I do have a brain and two eyes in my head after all. People are rejecting Socialism and Social Democracy in their *droves* in this country; Labour are in utter disarray and free-fall, double-digit behind in the polls with their leader on a -40% approval rating, despite relative hard times.
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