Lonewolves wrote:
Cavey wrote:
I'm not ignoring anything, this is my opinion, as someone who has not one shred of bigotry towards anyone, least of all trans people. I just think it's all gone too bloody far; I certainly don't want to go back to people being able to use terms like the n-word or whatever but neither do I like where we now find ourselves?
I'm sorry if I've upset you, knew I should've kept my gob shut. It's just genuinely how I feel, it's deffo a generational thing and I was never the most tactful, thoughtful, self-aware person at the best of times.
Yeah you have upset me, but thank you for the apology.
I don't you can go too far, imo. I just don't see how it's hard to stop saying a word or using phrases if someone says to me 'I don't like that.' More than anything else it's just common courtesy, surely? Also what is your rationale behind not being able to use the n-word, but being ok with using terms and phrases that trans people have decreed offensive? Especially as you say you have not one shred of bigotry towards them? I just don't understand where you're coming from. Either you believe in free speech at all costs (including the word 'nigger') or you believe in fostering inclusivity of all minorities, genders and abilities. I don't believe that's a false dichotomy.
Hang on, we're most definitely at cross purposes here: I absolutely
do not in any way approve of anyone using deliberately offensive, hurtful terms/terminology as against any minority group - but for me, these things have always been a matter of social taboos, which quite rightly evolve over time, rather than absolutes which are even matters of law? (I am bewildered that you thought I thought it's somehow okay for this..?)
I very much agree with what Markg said earlier: a distinction must surely be made between someone who clearly meant no offence, and someone who is being willfully rude.
Besides all of this, I was thinking along the original lines of discussion - the opinions of one
group somehow not being admissible to another
group, e.g. student debates, with exclusions effected by NUS or whatever? That just goes against the grain for me - let them speak, and if they turn out to be racist homophobes, get the rotten fruit out.
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