The big wikileaks, er, leak!

Zen-Chan · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 326

WikiLeaks was intended to release their massive US embassy files thing today, only for their website to be "suspiciously" brought down by a denial of service attack.

The Guardian has a feed of the events so far.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/201 ... -live-blog

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There's plenty more to come, including "claims of inappropriate behaviour" by a British royal and allegations of links between Russia's government and organised crime.

Is this really top-secret stuff?

Plissken · **Posted:** Sun Nov 28, 2010 21:16

Not top secret, but hugely embarrassing. It should set back relations by years. The Foreign Office reaction has been "this is all bad and wrong, harrumph", but if David Cameron has any balls, the next meeting with the US should be really interesting.

JohnCoffey · **Posted:** Sun Nov 28, 2010 22:33

Why does this totally remind me of being at school?

See that Roger bloke? well he said you were a cunt. Behind your back.

Who gives a fuck. We all know what lying backstabbing cunts politicians are any way.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

JohnCoffey wrote:

Who gives a fuck. We all know what lying backstabbing cunts politicians are any way.

People better informed about politics than you, which based on your posts today appears to be everyone from Daily Mail readers through to black cab drivers in East London, and upwards.

sinister agent · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 7046

This is fascinating stuff from a historical/sociological standpoint, though. Even if the documents themselves aren't massively incediary (which at least some are bound to be), just the process itself is incredible. When has a leak of this scale and with this wide an audience ever been possible in history before?

It's one of those things historians will be studying generations from now. Weird to think how many we've lived through.

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Sun Nov 28, 2010 22:55

Nore notably, what are the consequences going to be?

I imagine that in future, leaks are going to be significnatly more traceable.

Sir Taxalot · **Joined:** 5th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 4809

Wiki-leaki-gate, y'all :metul:

Decca · **Joined:** 23rd Jun, 2010 **Posts:** 2282

I've said my bit on this already, one small glimmer of hope is that there is enough evidence in here to convict Blair of war crimes. The part about the whole things that niggles me is the fact that he seems to have agreed on a timeline and whatnot with Bush before meeting with the cabinet or any votes were had. Brown is so occupied with trying not to come across as petty and vindictive that he's not had the balls to do the right thing and stand up and say that Blair kept everyone out of the loop. Blair on the other hand was so desperate to have a (holy) war that he abandoned protocol and went all machiavellian dictator on us. If there is any justice then we will see a bit of paper that says he knew the dossier was bullshit and in fact made them write it himself.

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:23

Campbell blogs about it

kalmar · **Posted:** Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:40

MaliA wrote:

Campbell blogs about it

Sneaky!

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:11

MaliA wrote:

Campbell blogs about it

Ha, I thought that was going to be Stu

MaliA · **Posted:** Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:11

Oh, right. heh.

Zardoz · **Posted:** Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:14

Grim... wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Campbell blogs about it

Ha, I thought that was going to be Stu

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

Alistair Campbell wrote:

and something unsufferably sanctimonious about journalists defending publication of any leak as being in the public interest, and setting themselves up as arbiters or what does or does not compromise national security, or pose a risk to individuals.

Of course, the best people to decide whether things compromise national security are instead those that have broken international laws and are relying on secrecy to cover them up. Idiot.

Points for referring to it as a 'general buggeration', mind.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11895

So what is all this leak stuff? I saw reference to some stuff about profiling foreign leaders, but that isn't exactly going to be shocking news, is it?

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49244

Bobbyaro wrote:

So what is all this leak stuff? I saw reference to some stuff about profiling foreign leaders, but that isn't exactly going to be shocking news, is it?

It's basically tons upon tons of communications into and out of the US foreign office departments, so loads of stuff about what the FO staff in foreign countries think about the situation in the country, the diplomats there, etc.

It's equivalent in scale of horror to Grim... slipping up one day and letting the proles see the mod forum.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:36

Hmmm... when taking a knife to all our civil liberties, their defence was that "If we've nothing to hide then we've nothing to be afraid of".

Turnabout is fair play, mister politician.

Pundabaya · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5016

Craster wrote:

It's equivalent in scale of horror to Grim... slipping up one day and letting the proles see the mod forum.

Ah, it wouldn't be that bad, everyone who's played Burnout Paradise with him has seen Grim...'s cock. Even the three-way mod scat porn pictures (Three Moderators, One Watering Can) are nothing to be scared of to a hardened internet user.

Pod · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 2568

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Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah has "frequently" urged the US to launch an attack against Iran in order to scupper Tehran's nuclear ambition.

I hope that after WWIII finishes with billions dead wikileaks is brought into account for 'causing' it.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11895

Pod wrote:

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Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah has "frequently" urged the US to launch an attack against Iran in order to scupper Tehran's nuclear ambition.

I hope that after WWIII finishes with billions dead wikileaks is brought into account for 'causing' it.

Jebus!

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

Pod wrote:

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Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah has "frequently" urged the US to launch an attack against Iran in order to scupper Tehran's nuclear ambition.

I hope that after WWIII finishes with billions dead wikileaks is brought into account for 'causing' it.

The big surprise would be if the Saudis had been asking the us to leave Iran be.

Pod · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 2568

True. It's not just SA though, but practically all of the middle east. I don't know how much of this desire for military action Iran already knew though?

I'm still a bit bemused that people are still making nuclear weapons though.

Grim... · **Posted:** Mon Nov 29, 2010 15:22

Craster wrote:

It's equivalent in scale of horror to Grim... slipping up one day and letting the proles see the mod forum.

Again.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

I'm just looking forward to using it in response to the threats on our privacy.

MP: "if you've done nothing wrong then you've nothing to hide. "

Me: "So you support wikileaks then?"

JohnCoffey · **Posted:** Mon Nov 29, 2010 15:46

Pod wrote:

I'm still a bit bemused that people are still making nuclear weapons though.

Does it mention the type and the size?

I know after 9/11 GW announced they were making smaller tactical nukes that wouldn't cause quite as much damage as a 4 way ballistic.

Derek The Halls · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3742

Zardoz wrote:

Grim... wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Campbell blogs about it

Ha, I thought that was going to be Stu

I first of all wondered why Nicky Campbell felt the need to blog about it.

sinister agent · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 7046

Nirejhenge wrote:

Zardoz wrote:

Grim... wrote:

MaliA wrote:

Campbell blogs about it

Ha, I thought that was going to be Stu

I first of all wondered why Nicky Campbell felt the need to blog about it.

Maybe Wikileaks advertised that there were supposed to be 250,000 documents, but there were actually only 248,978. Then he could have had them on to sneer at them for five straight minutes.

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:32

Daily Mash good read

sinister agent · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 7046

I read in passing today that some dickheads in the USA are calling for Wikileaks to be classified as a TRRRRST organisation for exposing, amongst other things, that Hilary Clinton ordered US diplomats to illegally spy on the UN.

Because that's totally the issue here.

Somehow simply calling these people 'cunts' just isn't cutting it anymore. We really need a way to tattoo obscenities onto their faces.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

I like this: http://www.salon.com/technology/dan_gil ... _questions

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

I started reading that, and then the author turned me against him very quickly when he said "When are you going to focus your relentless and often valuable energies on other governments ... Could you kindly find someone to liberate internal documents from, say, the Chinese government?" - Wikileaks doesn't go out and get the info, or procure its leakage, it's leaked to them. I assume he knows that, of course. And in any event, much of this round of information IS about countries other than the US.

sinister agent · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 7046

Mr Kissyfur wrote:

I started reading that, and then the author turned me against him very quickly when he said "When are you going to focus your relentless and often valuable energies on other governments ... Could you kindly find someone to liberate internal documents from, say, the Chinese government?" - Wikileaks doesn't go out and get the info, or procure its leakage, it's leaked to them. I assume he knows that, of course. And in any event, much of this round of information IS about countries other than the US.

Also, their documents are probably all in some crazy foreign language. Who's going to read that?

Decca · **Joined:** 23rd Jun, 2010 **Posts:** 2282

#disqus_thread">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... qus_thread

read the comments and lo there was much :facepalm:

amongst all men

fyi I'm penguin

NervousPete · **Posted:** Sun Dec 05, 2010 15:46

Dr Lave wrote:

I'm just looking forward to using it in response to the threats on our privacy.

MP: "if you've done nothing wrong then you've nothing to hide. "

Me: "So you support wikileaks then?"

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

#comment-fold" class="postlink">Assange arrested, likely off to Sweden soon. And thence to Guantanamo, I bet.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but this is all a little dodgy. The European arrest warrant isn't even valid, as he's not, (as far as I've heard) been charged in Sweden.

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

GoodKingWrongceslas wrote:

#comment-fold" class="postlink">Assange arested, liekly off to Sweden soon. And thence to Guantanamo, I bet.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but this is all a little dodgy. The European arrest warrant isn't even valid, as he's not, (as far as I've heard) been charged in Sweden.

It does all sound a little on the convenient side. Hmm indeed.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

GoodKingWrongceslas wrote:

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but this is all a little dodgy.

Via Charlie Stross:

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Obviously I can't comment on whether there's any substance to the charges, but Counterpunch suggests otherwise, alleging:

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Swedish bloggers uncovered the full story in a few hours. The complaint was lodged by a radical feminist Anna Ardin, 30, a one-time intern in the Swedish Foreign Service. She's spokeswoman for Broderskapsrörelsen, the liberation theology-like Christian organization affiliated with Sweden's Social Democratic Party. She had invited Julian Assange to a crayfish party, and they had enjoyed some quality time together. When Ardin discovered that Julian shared a similar experience with a 20-year-old woman a day or two later, she obtained the younger woman's cooperation in declaring before the police that changing partners in so rapid a manner constituted a sort of deceit. And deceit is a sort of rape. The prosecutor immediately issued an arrest warrant, and the press was duly notified. Once the facts were examined in the cold light of day, the charge of rape seemed ludicrous and was immediately dropped. In the meantime the younger woman, perhaps realizing how she had been used, withdrew her report, leaving the vengeful Anna Ardin standing alone.

Ardin has written and published on her blog a "revenge instruction", describing how to commit a complete character assassination to legally destroy a person who "should be punished for what he did". If the offence was of a sexual nature, the revenge also must also be sex-related, she wrote.

I think that the timing of the allegations (which first surfaced after the previous wikileaks disclosures) and the INTERPOL warrant is suggestive of a politically-motivated disinformation campaign rather than an actual serious criminal investigation. I also note with interest the way the charges were originally brought, then withdrawn, then brought again. Rape is an extremely serious charge, and generally treated as such in Sweden. So what's up with this?

Your guess is as good as mine, but my guess is this: Assange is stomping on the bunions of the rich and powerful. And while serious people aren't suggesting murder or prosecution for treason — either of which would make a martyr of him and underscore the seriousness of his project; I'll note that only un-serious politicians, whoring for newspaper column-inches, are coming out with this crap — I think his enemies are fighting back with that time-honoured tactic of the scoundrel, the carefully-aimed character assassination.

Which, if you think about it, suggests he's onto something important.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Even more intriguingly, the Anna woman has been kicked out of Cuba for anti-Castro activities and has links to the CIA. More detail here

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Also, Wikileaks made available a 1.4Gb encrypted file months ago called "insurance.aes256". It's big enough to hold everything they've leaked so far and more besides, and no-one knows what's in it; the encryption is essentially unbreakable. It would only take for someone to release the plain text password for everyone who already has it to be able to open it.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Yes, I remember that, but it does seem to have faded from the media's interest. I wonder how long until the password is released, now?

Doctor Nadolig wrote:

Also, Wikileaks made available a 1.4Gb encrypted file months ago called "insurance.aes256". It's big enough to hold everything they've leaked so far and more besides, and no-one knows what's in it; the encryption is essentially unbreakable. It would only take for someone to release the plain text password for everyone who already has it to be able to open it.

kalmar · **Posted:** Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:20

That's excellent.

Derek The Halls · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3742

Oh come on, if you read your conspiracy sites properly you'll know that Assange actually works for the CIA and this whole wikileaks thing is just a 9/11 for the internet so governments that are part of the New World Order scheme can clamp down on the internet more.

It's TRUE. There's no proof but it's still TRUE.

Squirt · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6603

Nirejhingle Bells wrote:

Oh come on, if you read your conspiracy sites properly you'll know that Assange actually works for the CIA and this whole wikileaks thing is just a 9/11 for the internet so governments that are part of the New World Order scheme can clamp down on the internet more.

It's TRUE. There's no proof but it's still TRUE.

It's the lack of proof that shows it's true. Only the CIA, Masons, the Vatican and the Illuminati all working together could possibly come up with a scheme like that and there not be any proof. And there isn't any proof, so it must be true.

Derek The Halls · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3742

EXACTLY!

I like how someone on ATS says something along the lines of "I have no proof of it but I just FEEL it must be so."

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Doctor Nadolig wrote:

GoodKingWrongceslas wrote:

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but this is all a little dodgy.

Via Charlie Stross

I've now read through the comments on that article, and I have come to the conclusion that Charlie Stross is a prick. Anyone who says anything like "if you don't know the term "trotsykite entryism"* then you're not equipped to understand the politics of the last two decades" is an irredeemable bell-end of the first water.

And Saturn's Children is still wank.

*Merely meaning, basically, "infiltrating another organisation for your own purposes". So it doesn't really need such a wanky expression for it.

Rodafowa · **Posted:** Tue Dec 07, 2010 13:00

Nirejhingle Bells wrote:

EXACTLY!

I like how someone on ATS says something along the lines of "I have no proof of it but I just FEEL it must be so."

"There's no proof, but it's still scientific fact."

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

Seriously. Sweden, computer hacking, conspiracies at the highest level of government, revelation of world important secrets, sex scandal connections?

If Stiig larsson now turns out not to be dead and writes a new book which reveals how dumbledore didn't really die, I'm going to go batshit mental.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Totally stole that for Twitter: http://twitter.com/#!/PenLlawen/status/ ... 5285447680 (with credit: http://twitter.com/#!/PenLlawen/status/ ... 9092129792).

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

Doctor Nadolig wrote:

Totally stole that for Twitter: http://twitter.com/#!/PenLlawen/status/ ... 5285447680 (with credit: http://twitter.com/#!/PenLlawen/status/ ... 9092129792).

You needn't have credited me, you worked it so much better.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32624

Meh. The rewording is easy, it's making the initial link between Assange and Larsson that's the clever bit.

Be Excellent To Each Other

The big wikileaks, er, leak!
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Be Excellent To Each Other

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Internet lols probably ensue