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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 22:29 
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I can't help but feel they're going to trip over their own feet sooner or later with these increasingly daft Kickstarters, but they haven't failed one yet. (Although TBH I still think the finish of Dr Who was a bit dodgy.)

And now with this one they're lumping two things in together, which is a new physics engine, better graphics on consoles, better lighting on mobile etc - i.e. Improvements to the game engine which should IMO just be part of what they're doing anyway, which they're combining with an AC/DC Kickstarter.

So what happens if the KS fails, do they not do all the engine enhancements, or stop working on them, or not release them, or something?

It's not like there's anything about the AC/DC pinball which requires a better engine than the one they have already, and the new engine would be equally valuable for any release.

I won't be supporting this one but I hope it succeeds as anything that's good for digital pinball preservation is worthwhile. I've bought all the table seasons up to now at full price, and supported three (IIRC) of their Kickstarters, but I'll sit this KS out. I'll definitely buy the next season as well, as it's a great game overall - but I have no real interest in an AC/DC pinball, and there are so many amazing Williams/Bally tables that haven't been done, that wouldn't have any crazy licensing requirements about them.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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I can't help but feel they're going to trip over their own feet sooner or later with these increasingly daft Kickstarters, but they haven't failed one yet.


I agree , I hope they dont but I worry that they try something like this - it fails , and they then will not know what to do next.

I've never played this table although i've heard a lot about it

I probably will support this one just to support them , and I'm still at the point I will blindly chuck in the £3 or whatever it is when a new table comes out anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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I won't be supporting this one but I hope it succeeds as anything that's good for digital pinball preservation is worthwhile. I've bought all the table seasons up to now at full price, and supported three (IIRC) of their Kickstarters, but I'll sit this KS out. I'll definitely buy the next season as well, as it's a great game overall - but I have no real interest in an AC/DC pinball, and there are so many amazing Williams/Bally tables that haven't been done, that wouldn't have any crazy licensing requirements about them.

Are the tables they put on Kickstarter included in the seasons?


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 11:37 
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Are the tables they put on Kickstarter included in the seasons?


Yes (the Doctor Who table has not yet been released but all others have been)

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 11:40 
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Are the tables they put on Kickstarter included in the seasons?


Yes (the Doctor Who table has not yet been released but all others have been)

Well, that seems a bit daft to me, but I'm no business genius.


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 11:59 
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I guess the idea is that if you support the KS you're happy to secure the release of the table and your own copy, and don't mind if anyone else gets it 'for cheap' by just paying the normal £3 or gets it as part of the season.

I backed the TZ, Addam's Family and ST:TNG Kickstarters (think it was those three anyway) and I was quite content to have done my bit to help the KS succeed and get the tables, having everyone else then get them for £3 or as part of a season was fine, the more the merrier IMO.

In fact if you turn it around it'd be very-minded of them to say 'if you don't support the KS you don't get the table', I wouldn't be happy with that all, for the ones I'd either supported or hadn't, and it goes against the overarching principle of the Pinball Arcade project being one of the digital preservation of pinballs.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 19:14 
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And no explanation but the Kickstarter has just been cancelled

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/10 ... dc/updates

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Interesting. Nothing on their Facebook page from TPA themselves, but then again it has only been cancelled in the last hour, already quite a few comments though.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 11:01 
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Still nothing official on their Facebook page, although a couple of comments from other posters that suggests it's more than just an AC/DC licensing issue and may be the 'cabinet license', whatever that is.

The plot thickens a bit as they'd recently announced the Stern Pinball Arcade which was a tie-in with Stern and was apparently going to bring digital versions of new physical Stern tables to SPA at the same time as the real thing - and would be a separate branch from TPA. (With individual tables costing $9.99 so a lot more expensive than TPA tables.)

It all points to a further loss of focus IMO, and indeed what attracted people to TPA in the first place - silly Kickstarters, two products on the go at the same time, spending time and resources on this when there is still such a wealth of great tables from the 80s and 90s early 00s to digitise instead.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 20:14 
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Thanks to the amazing reception that Stern Pinball Arcade has received, we’ve been able to enter into a new partnership that will allow us to fully fund this license without contributions from our loyal backer community! Development on the table can therefore start immediately, which will allow us to bring you this great table even sooner then we’d planned. We will release more information about this exciting development soon- stay tuned! Thank you so much for backing us! Without you, adding tables with premium licenses like this one would normally not be possible. We appreciate your loyalty to our products and your dedication to the art of pinball.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 20:16 
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Hmmm, I sense PRICE RISES on the horizon and TPA becoming a second-tier product to SPA.

I hope I'm wrong.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2016 19:38 
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You're probably right. Also, it was announced shortly after Season 5 was over, so it will probably be awhile before new tables come.

BTW, did anyone tried the new UI? Slighly better, but still shit, and much worse than the one on PFX2.


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 13:15 
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I've found this:

https://pinside.com/pinball/map/where-to-play

Apparently there's a place not far from where i live with 6 pinball machines (https://pinside.com/pinball/map/where-t ... t-portugal)

I must go there soon, maybe today.


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 13:16 
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Really old page and not often updated - i remember looking at it a while back for my area at the time (Fareham) and what it listed was all years old and no longer there.

Other countries / regions may be more up to date and the link you had was 'verified' a few weeks back which seems positive

(whereas the one near Fareham which is Hailing Island was last updated in 2012 , there is one near Oxford which was a single table in a pub and also last updated in 2012)

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2016 18:20 
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I just came back from the place and I had a blast. This is one arcade where i used to go when i was on the first year of college. Strange how it hasn't closed and looks exactly the same, and also huge and totally devoid of people. I wonder how it's still in business.

Loved the LOTR table which is the only "new" thing since those days. Also, 1€ gives 3 credits, which made me stay there playing for an hour and a half. Too bad the Space Jam, Simpsons and No Fear tables were broken.


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 7:57 
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Next table has been announced, another shonky old Gottlieb thing called 'TX SECTOR', from 1987.

It does have some really good 8-bit chip style music (which I guess was an add-on board for System 80), but even the reviewers who have a soft spot for the table readily admit it has a very simple ruleset, which as ever with these older Gottliebs is going to make it a poor proposition for TPA.

I mean, it's not really the designers' fault, it's well known that Gottlieb used to expect to get their tables out in around three months from start to finish, where Williams/Bally worked to around twelve months, and by crikey it shows. (And Williams/Bally always had the better tech, and more money to spend on toys and playfield features.)

I suspect TX SECTOR will get a handful of plays in TPA, get a good high score, and never return to it again.

Could look good if they get the the DX11 lighting right (and the work from TPA in that department is desperately uneven IMO), but that won't save this one from being a little played table IMO.


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2016 14:42 
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Great video here giving a rundown of the table itself, and also detailing some splendid additions this amusements made to the table before they sold it (extra GI bulbs, super-bright LEDs, some colour changes, more powerful upper flipper).

Splendid watch if you're really into pinball, you get to see under the playfield, into the backbox, and get an explanation of the rules. (Not that there's much to the rules....)

The music is fantastic, I'll give it that. (There's 10 minutes of pure TX SECTOR music at the end of the video.)

TNT Amusements' YouTube channel is a real treasure-trove actually, I've been watching his videos most of the day :D


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 19:29 
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That table looks beautiful. But what I really want is the lord of the rings tackle


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Mon May 23, 2016 20:48 
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But what I really want is the lord of the rings tackle

No-one?

What about "you have my chopper"?

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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Oh right so everyone's posting to the pinball thread once there's some cock innuendo going on, eh?

If that's the level we're working on, as an introduction to the world of TPA I would therefore suggest you play 'SCARED STIFF', it's absolutely stuffed to the gunnels with smut. (Note, you need to purchase the PRO version of the table and turn off family mode in the operator menu.)

These are just the ones that got removed from family mode, there's a lot more in there... (For example, when collecting the 'Good Head' from the Deadheads of Malvern, Elvira saying 'My favourite!' is still in there, even in family mode, also admittedly fairly tame stuff like 'This'll scare the pants off ya...... I hope' is left in.)

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Upon starting The Stiff in the Coffin: After the "Get up! Whatsa matter, you dead or something? Watch this!" it's missing the final "I'll get him up!".

Upon scoring a lot of consecutive jackpots in Terror from the Crate or The Stiff in the Coffin: The random quote "Oooooh! I'm having multiple jackpots!" is replaced with a much tamer "Aaaaah....".

Upon collecting Shrunken Head: The game is silent instead of the quote "He always wanted a little head!".

Upon looping the Bony Beast ramp multiple times: The quote "Ugh, ride that bony beast!" is missing. (Or I didn't loop enough, but I'm pretty sure 5 in a row is enough.) Apparently the "that thing is huge!" and "...and ribbed, too!" quotes are also absent.

Upon scoring a large end-of-ball bonus: Elvira says "That was awesome!" instead of "That was a huge bone....us!"

Upon hitting the replay score: Elvira says "Free game!" instead of "Another notch for my bedpost."

When shooting the left ramp sometimes Elvira says "eyes of the boney breast...uh beast"

When collecting an extra ball originally Elvira takes the extra ball from her cleavage.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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However i'll point out that if you buy the normal table a lot of those are missing :-(

Elvira was one of my favorite real world tables , and the default TPA options are to have the 'adult' options turned off

To get all the above (plus various others) you need to buy the enhanced version which gets you access to the dip switches and turn on the adult option.

The one I always remember is from the stiff in the coffin multiball

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"Get up! Whatsa matter, you dead or something? Watch this!" it's missing the final "I'll get him up!".


where the "I'll get him up" (or on some tables / rom sets "This'll get him up" is missing on the default :-(

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2016 11:23 
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TX SECTOR was released yesterday, as anticipated it gets very old, very quickly.

The TPA recreation isn't bad but even in shiny DX11 mode it doesn't really look all that, and the music, whilst excellent, will only take you so far.

There's pretty much fuck all to do on it really, once I'd bagged the high score I felt there was no reason to play it again.

Just watch the TNT Amusements video linked to above, that's about all the TX SECTOR anyone would ever need IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 8:38 
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For the first time erm..... ever, Pinball Arcade has finally got a (long overdue) UI update. It's still not perfect but it's an improvement on what was there before, I think they've added in some extra challenge and multiplayer modes too but I never paid any attention to those before so maybe they were there before and I didn't notice.

Anyway, there are now several ways to look through your table collection without scrolling through a single LOOOOOOOOOONG list.

Oh yes and the Pinball Wizard track now has singing by someone who isn't Roger Daltrey.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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Latest table is out and thankfully it's a Williams/Bally - this time the excellent Indianapolis 500. (One that I remember playing an awful lot in a local pub back in the day, back when pubs had pinballs and the world was a better place.)

Unfortunately it's also NEW SEASON TIME so that's another £29.99 I've dropped on the Pro version of the season. As this is now Season Six that'll be something in the region of £180 I've spent on this game! (I can't recall if all seasons have cost the same TBH, I think some of the early ones actually cost more as there were more tables in them.)

I don't begrudge them the cash at all as it's fantastic to be able to play so many great pinballs on an ongoing basis (rather less so all the Gottlieb shite), and I'm really looking forward to seeing what they add in the future - my only concern is that it's all digital and I have no way of making some sort of archive copy of it for the future. I assume Steam will be around for a while and I'll still be able to reinstall the game in future even if Farsight go bust, but as we've seen with the likes of Outrun Coast2Coast on Steam, it's quite possible for games to just disappear.


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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Bought Season 3 at the last Steam Sale, and also bought a new monitor yesterday (Dell Ultrasharp u2414h). Well, it tilts vertically and looks like it was made to play this game. Looks absolutely glorious. Still don't know what to think of Season 3. Black Rose, Junkyard and Dracula all seem cool, but i have doubts about their longevity.


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Bought Season 3 at the last Steam Sale, and also bought a new monitor yesterday (Dell Ultrasharp u2414h). Well, it tilts vertically and looks like it was made to play this game. Looks absolutely glorious. Still don't know what to think of Season 3. Black Rose, Junkyard and Dracula all seem cool, but i have doubts about their longevity.


Overall I was disapointed in S3 , and they do tend to have a mix of good and rubbish in there but for some people there will be tables they just dont get but i love because i played the original table in the past.

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Fish Tales
Black Rose
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WHO Dunnit
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Diner
Bram Stoker's Dracula

Of those Fish tales is the standout for me , with Black Knight and WHO Dunnit as the others I've put some time into.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:06 
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I will have the iced tea and the frankfurter.

Personally I've got a real soft spot for Black Rose, and Season 3 as a whole was OK I thought. Which was the one where they ran out of Willams/Bally licenses and started hosing out one fucking Gottlieb spunkbucket after another? Season 4? Arse end of Season 2? I can't remember. Either way it was shit.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:36 
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The other day i found (actually it was my wife who found it) the Star Wars Data East table in some hipster bar in downtown Lisbon. It was very unexpected and i think i wasted 7€ on it. It was lovely. I have to add it to that pinball map.


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