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Recently I have been visiting family a lot and staying with them. Mostly because my flat insulates about as well as a tea bag so is always cold and secondly because I can only handle everything for so long. They've been great, and I have been going away for about a week out of every month.

Before my wife and I split last June I could see it coming and bought a Macbook Air 11" without her knowing. I did this because at the time I was weak and I figured I would be walking away from my own flat leaving her sitting pretty. However, her actions over the next few weeks made me decide that I was going to tell her to leave. And she did, thank god.

So yeah, I gots this 11" air. It's useless for anything even gaming related. It can't even run L4D at the lowest settings, and even when it's not dropping frames like a nut case the screen is too small (especially when the spotlight bit comes on and you can't see bugger all).

I've been thinking about buying a handheld game console and first considered emulation but the sort of games I like never seem to work perfectly. Mario 64 for example the sound is stuttery and horrid on Android devices and so on. So I spotted this the other day.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nintendo-Handh ... dpSrc=srch

And a couple of extra games I liked the look of (Super Mario 3D land and etc) but I realised I am so out of the loop it's not even funny. I had a DS original at launch but got bored of it because Mario DS was just M64 with extra characters and no analogue.

What I wanted to know, mainly, was is Super Mario 3D Land a proper 3D mario game? not as in 3D 3D but 3D as in like Mario 64? and by proper I mean is it a typical Mario game with lots of levels and that feeling you get from other Mario games? I could spend hours on Youtube obviously but by then I would likely ruin any potential game by seeing all of the good bits.

I did play NSMB briefly on a tablet with a Razer controller and it was fun I'll admit. The last Mario game I played properly was Sunshine and I didn't like it, but I did play Mario Galaxy at a friend's house for a week and thought it was ace. I bought a Wii briefly but had no TV and running it through a capture device was awkward..

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My nephew has a 2DS and from the short time I played it seemed like a proper 3d mario


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From the quick couple of videos I watched, it does look like a proper 3D Mario, but I don't know how big the game is in comparison. I'm not a huge fan of the 2DS though - it seems a bit pointless, especially when you can get a second hand 3DS quite cheaply instead.

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Excellent. I did see it has the same feather as Mario 3, so flying looks like it could be fun.

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I finished 3D Land but never played 3D World so can't compare. Land was a proper 3D game but not the same scope as Sunshine/Galaxy/Odyssey obviously.

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I played Sunshine for many weeks but it didn't feel right. Flying with the water back pack was cumbersome and too fiddly, IMO. I much preferred Mario 64. Then I played Galaxy and it was just like 64 to play. Nothing terribly fiddly, just some good ideas. Sunshine's levels also felt too big for me? IDK, just didn't feel right. Waverace was the same on the cube for me too. Missing the simplicity of the first one which made it so fun.

I liked how 64's worlds were big enough but not too big. I also liked how all of the stars were in the one level, which meant you could explore it properly but quickly. I think the N64 was the last console I truly loved. I adored my Jap import. Used to cover it when I was done playing and everything lol.

Edit. Sod it have ordered the NSMB2 pack with 3D land. I also forgot (and what made me buy it) that sometimes I spend 2-3 days just in bed and Netflix and Prime are only fun for so long.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 18:21 
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NSMB2 is solid but a fairly middle of the road modern 2D Mario. Fun and polished, and if you've not played the other games in the NSMB series it'll probably still feel fresh.

3D Land is fantastic, it's basically a big collection of three dimensional obstacle courses. Very creative, and lots of variety in the levels. One of the better 3D Mario games in my opinion.

Mario Kart 7 is also a solid Mario Kart game.

If you fancy playing some Zelda, there's a good remake of Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, but I'd say go for the excellent A Link Between Worlds, the direct sequel to A Link To The Past.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 18:30 
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JohnCoffey wrote:
I played Sunshine for many weeks but it didn't feel right. Flying with the water back pack was cumbersome and too fiddly, IMO. I much preferred Mario 64. Then I played Galaxy and it was just like 64 to play. Nothing terribly fiddly, just some good ideas. Sunshine's levels also felt too big for me? IDK, just didn't feel right. Waverace was the same on the cube for me too. Missing the simplicity of the first one which made it so fun.


64 isn’t cumbersome and fiddly? It bloody well is (when played today) - the camera made my blood boil (when I played it recently). Sunshine is a joy to play by comparison (when I played it recently).


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I really don't like modern mario 2d games. I just don't know why. It's not only because they're easy, there's something lacking that i can't pinpoint.

And the 3DS suffers from a severe lack of Castlevania. Mirror of Fate is crap, and I hate Konami for not making more games like those perfect 3 on the DS (and also Aria of Sorrow on GBA).


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I do get confused as to which Mario is which on the 3DS. All I can tell you is that I've enjoyed them all. Well worth getting.

Also, if you're looking for a further recommendation... Get Kid Icarus. One of my top 5 games there.


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Satsuma wrote:
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I played Sunshine for many weeks but it didn't feel right. Flying with the water back pack was cumbersome and too fiddly, IMO. I much preferred Mario 64. Then I played Galaxy and it was just like 64 to play. Nothing terribly fiddly, just some good ideas. Sunshine's levels also felt too big for me? IDK, just didn't feel right. Waverace was the same on the cube for me too. Missing the simplicity of the first one which made it so fun.


64 isn’t cumbersome and fiddly? It bloody well is (when played today) - the camera made my blood boil (when I played it recently). Sunshine is a joy to play by comparison (when I played it recently).


64 did suffer from some camera problems but I never had an issue with the controls or the controller at all. I just learned then when walking out onto an icy beam far above the ground it was best to do it very slowly and carefully, so that the camera twist didn't see you just walk over the edge (I think the worst map for this was the snow map). Other than that though? I loved it.

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I really don't like modern mario 2d games. I just don't know why. It's not only because they're easy, there's something lacking that i can't pinpoint.

And the 3DS suffers from a severe lack of Castlevania. Mirror of Fate is crap, and I hate Konami for not making more games like those perfect 3 on the DS (and also Aria of Sorrow on GBA).


Easy I can do. My reactions are not what they once were, probably due to six doses of anti psychotics a day.

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Getting to the top of the pyramid entrance was the worst offender of Mario 64. Fuck that game. And the boring swimming level. And that run across the planks in the swimming level. And that star that you had to reach in the cannon in the swimming level. Actually fuck the swimming level. With the pirate ship, so the pirate ship level then.


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I liked mario 3d land.. nice quick bite-levels... closest comparison is 3d world on the wiiU though, while Odyssey is close to Mario 64... (and that is so much more compelling)...

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Satsuma wrote:
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I played Sunshine for many weeks but it didn't feel right. Flying with the water back pack was cumbersome and too fiddly, IMO. I much preferred Mario 64. Then I played Galaxy and it was just like 64 to play. Nothing terribly fiddly, just some good ideas. Sunshine's levels also felt too big for me? IDK, just didn't feel right. Waverace was the same on the cube for me too. Missing the simplicity of the first one which made it so fun.


64 isn’t cumbersome and fiddly? It bloody well is (when played today) - the camera made my blood boil (when I played it recently). Sunshine is a joy to play by comparison (when I played it recently).

Problem with Sunshine is that the camera X axis is the wrong way round for me, and there's no way to change it. Literally broke the game for me.

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Getting to the top of the pyramid entrance was the worst offender of Mario 64. Fuck that game. And the boring swimming level. And that run across the planks in the swimming level. And that star that you had to reach in the cannon in the swimming level. Actually fuck the swimming level. With the pirate ship, so the pirate ship level then.


hahaha ! I loved that level. (the sand one). I just used to fly around it.

The only part of Mario 64 I really did not like was getting 100 coins on Tick Tock Clock. Mostly because only one or two of the stars allowed 100 coins, and secondly because you could spend 20 minutes gathering up coins, get into the 90s, get sweaty fingers and miss a coin and watch your dreams drop into the oblivion lmao. That was the only level I lost my cool with. And I really did.. I punched a plastered brick wall spraining my little finger. Went to the A&E, got it put in a splint.. Came home, took off splint and carried on playing :D

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I do get confused as to which Mario is which on the 3DS. All I can tell you is that I've enjoyed them all. Well worth getting.

Also, if you're looking for a further recommendation... Get Kid Icarus. One of my top 5 games there.

Controls are extremely fiddly on that one.


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It did take some time.. happy it had a left handed option

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LewieP wrote:
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I do get confused as to which Mario is which on the 3DS. All I can tell you is that I've enjoyed them all. Well worth getting.

Also, if you're looking for a further recommendation... Get Kid Icarus. One of my top 5 games there.

Controls are extremely fiddly on that one.


Only if you're weak! :metul:

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Well I gots it. Amazing how far handhelds have come. Especially when the last one you owned was a DS at launch for about two weeks.

Just topping up the battery now, will give it a full on sesh when I go to bed.

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JohnCoffey wrote:
I played Sunshine for many weeks but it didn't feel right. Flying with the water back pack was cumbersome and too fiddly, IMO. I much preferred Mario 64. Then I played Galaxy and it was just like 64 to play. Nothing terribly fiddly, just some good ideas. Sunshine's levels also felt too big for me? IDK, just didn't feel right. Waverace was the same on the cube for me too. Missing the simplicity of the first one which made it so fun.

I liked how 64's worlds were big enough but not too big. I also liked how all of the stars were in the one level, which meant you could explore it properly but quickly. I think the N64 was the last console I truly loved.


:this: :this: :this: I feel much the same about all of those things.

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@johncoffey, don't erase the macbook completely, mame works quite ok with it, and openemu is a great compilation of most emulator.. but an 8bitdo joypad for it, and you're off.. (i've got a similar macbook)

@lewieP Mario kart 7 is my least favourite moario kart game.. not really sure why, should be excellent, but the feel of MK DS seemed better (maybe a tthe time, because it was such a leap forward), and now that there is MK8DLX MK7 just seems not that good.. (do like the fact that its 150 cc is a bit harder than other recent MKs)

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I'm not a huge Mariokart fan. I liked the N64 one but only because of the multiplayer. I don't think I've owned another one since.

OK so I got it set up last night and took it to bed with me. First impressions were - holy crap handhelds have come a long way ! I spent ages just messing around making Miis. I ended up playing NSMB2 for about three hours. Amazing stuff. The only thing I don't like about the console itself is that they put the headphone socket on the bottom. This means that if you are resting it against your tummy or chest it sits pissed, which was pretty annoying. Could have done with being absolutely anywhere else really. I had a go of that Tamadochi or whatever the heck they want to call it. That seemed like fun too. I made a friend with a sweary nickname and laughed a lot when she talked to me, saying "Hi I'm *very explicit word*". It then told me that if I went online with my character it would have a name changed because I used a naughty word haha.

I also didn't get any sort of headache or eye strain which was nice, because I remember putting my original DS down and feeling like I had just taken off a VR headset or something. It happened with the original Gameboy too, which was why I never bought any more apart from the DS and sold it two weeks later.

But yeah, pretty incredible stuff really. I think the next game I order will be the Mario Golf game. Always loved those, especially the original N64 one. So much fun with your mates, but a nice chilled take your time game alone. Which is the sort of stuff I am looking for. Easy, hard to put down, just relax and sit out the depression in bed sort of thing. It gets so bad that sometimes I am in bed by 7pm.

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Great to hear you having fun... Mario golf world tour is indeed a great golf game, with some nice suprises.


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No idea, I haven't looked at all of that yet :) I will take a look during tonight's session and write it down :)

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Put in another two hours or so last night. I think I need new glasses. It's not just the DS it seems to be everything now. I am due an eye test I must get that sorted out, because I can feel the muscles around my eyes hurting a lot and things keep going out of focus. Any way I am not very good at games any more it seems so just reached the ice level of NSMB2. Great fun though ! I bought Mario Golf World Tour from Ebay, hopefully that should arrive soon (I know I am going to play that to death). Totally forgot to look up my code, but will on my next session. Have had a migraine today, so codeine was the fix so won't play tonight as I don't want to aggravate it and get another pounding headache.

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Mario Golf got. I really like it, but do miss the ability to put backspin/side on the ball for braking when pitching etc. Can't believe how good the graphics are. It's like having a Gamecube, in your hand. I thought about that earlier and thought back to when I was a kid. Munchman. Man, how things have changed. The screens have really come a long way too. Gawd, I remember back to going boss eyed playing my Lynx.

I put in a couple of hours on NSMB2 today. Just got past the first snow level. I noticed how the Koopas stop when the music goes "wah wah !" and do a little dance. Much laughter.

It's been so long since I played a Mario game tbh. Too long !

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