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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:21 
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If I were Mrs May and I knew I was about to be defenestrated, I'd make a Prime Ministerial broadcast and tell the country that I'd be going to the House of Commons the next day and asking them for a full vote on whether to proceed with Brexit. I'd then list all the complications and costs, going into detail about the impact on people's lives and in particular in Mr Johnson's, Mr Gove's, and Disgraced Mr Fox's constituencies, and recommend that they vote for a pause.

When I then lose the vote in the Commons, I will say that I will go to the Palace to resign, and recommend Mr Johnson to the Queen as her next PM, before repeating all the bad stuff. I'd then drop by Mrs Windsor's, then head straight to Heathrow and Latin America.

And that's enough of my twisted fantasies.

She could fly on Cameron's private jet!


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:26 
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So guys, where are we on the Hi-Lo DOOOooOOooOM-o-meter?
£60 billion seems to be the current favoured amount, but any advance on this? :D


I think we should gamble it all on what's inside the Mystery Box!


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Cavey wrote:
So guys, where are we on the Hi-Lo DOOOooOOooOM-o-meter?
£60 billion seems to be the current favoured amount, but any advance on this? :D


A 'grand compromise' of 50 billion euros, plus on-going service charges of 20 billion a year. And a £5 convenience fee.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:27 
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So guys, where are we on the Hi-Lo DOOOooOOooOM-o-meter?
£60 billion seems to be the current favoured amount, but any advance on this? :D


I'm more concerned as to whether May agrees to pay it in time. It'll be a tough sell to the public

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:29 
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Cavey wrote:
So guys, where are we on the Hi-Lo DOOOooOOooOM-o-meter?
£60 billion seems to be the current favoured amount, but any advance on this? :D


I think we should gamble it all on what's inside the Mystery Box!


:D

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:30 
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Kern wrote:
Cavey wrote:
So guys, where are we on the Hi-Lo DOOOooOOooOM-o-meter?
£60 billion seems to be the current favoured amount, but any advance on this? :D


A 'grand compromise' of 50 billion euros, plus on-going service charges of 20 billion a year. And a £5 convenience fee.


:D

That's good! 10 billion less, right? Right?

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:32 
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Cavey wrote:
So guys, where are we on the Hi-Lo DOOOooOOooOM-o-meter?
£60 billion seems to be the current favoured amount, but any advance on this? :D


I'm more concerned as to whether May agrees to pay it in time. It'll be a tough sell to the public


If it's anything like £60 billion I'd say it's an *impossible* sell, and therefore Hard Brexit looms. Everybody loses, but especially us.
It won't happen, though, because the negotiations will be a piece of piss, Ze Germans want to sell us Mercedes cars and they're all "men of business" in the EU. Honest guv. :facepalm:

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Cras wrote:
Cavey wrote:
So guys, where are we on the Hi-Lo DOOOooOOooOM-o-meter?
£60 billion seems to be the current favoured amount, but any advance on this? :D


I'm more concerned as to whether May agrees to pay it in time. It'll be a tough sell to the public


Stick it on a bus. "£60 billion and then you can all shut the fuck up"

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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"£60 billion, but who wants to be the richest Twat in the graveyard anyway?"

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:55 
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Cavey wrote:
If it's anything like £60 billion I'd say it's an *impossible* sell, and therefore Hard Brexit looms.

I'm not sure that £60 billion is much different to £6 billion or £100 billion in the minds of most people. It's a bit like once you start talking about huge distances between things in space, it's hard to keep any perspective.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:56 
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60 Billion, but we stretch out payment for years by continuously forgetting to sign the cheque, accidentally writing in 60 million, claiming that the only guy who knows the online banking password is on holiday, and straight out just refusing to answer the phone.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 13:54 
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http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/11/0 ... th-the-eu/

Comparing the Brexit negotiations with the 1960s negotiations for Britain to join the EEC. The parallels are quite striking.

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Instead, getting out of the EU seems likely to require the same readiness to give ground on the part of the departing country as most countries have had to display when seeking to join the EC/EU. If the UK wants a deal, it is likely to be bought through British concessions and the abandonment of some of its initial negotiating aims, rather than large-scale giveaways by the EU27. And it is here that one final parallel with the 1961-3 negotiations becomes worrying. Because just as Macmillan’s ability to make the concessions needed to reach a breakthrough in Brussels was all but destroyed by growing cabinet splits on Europe, dwindling government popularity (1962 was the year of the famous Orpington by-election) and by a Labour opposition increasingly willing to seek party-political advantage through opportunism over the European issue, so too Theresa May’s scope for flexibility seems ever more circumscribed.

The present situation, though, is much more uncomfortable and potentially painful than that of 1963. The implications of failure are far greater. Britain’s inability to join the EEC in 1963 was a hammer blow to Macmillan’s government and a disappointment to many on both sides of the Channel. But ultimately it meant no more than a temporary prolongation of the status quo, and the postponement rather than the end of the UK’s European ambitions. Failure now would be much more serious, confronting the country with all the economic, legal and political consequences of a cliff-edge Brexit. The British government urgently needs to stop repeating the mistakes of its predecessor over half a century ago. A breakthrough in Brussels is a national necessity – even if achieving it requires awkward and painful climbdowns.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 14:35 
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Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/11/09/swallow-the-lot-and-swallow-it-now-britain-is-and-was-deluded-about-its-negotiating-power-with-the-eu/

Comparing the Brexit negotiations with the 1960s negotiations for Britain to join the EEC. The parallels are quite striking.


Thanks for that Doc. Interesting refresher. I recommend you try Farrell & Goldsmith's 'How to lose a referendum' (Biteback, 2017) for more 'how the hell did we get here' history.

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. Because just as Macmillan’s ability to make the concessions needed to reach a breakthrough in Brussels was all but destroyed by growing cabinet splits on Europe, dwindling government popularity (1962 was the year of the famous Orpington by-election) and by a Labour opposition increasingly willing to seek party-political advantage through opportunism over the European issue, so too Theresa May’s scope for flexibility seems ever more circumscribed.


Seems very similar to John Major's Eurotroubles in the 1990s. It's almost as if we can only see the EU through a Westminster party-politics lens, rather than part of a project we could be engaging with and influencing.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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So the only way to appease the leave camp in the Tory Party is to write into the withdrawal bill something which has to happen by law anyway. Pathetic.

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She said that "11pm GMT on 29 March 2019" is "there in black and white" in an amendment to the EU Withdrawal Bill

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:49 
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So the only way to appease the leave camp in the Tory Party is to write into the withdrawal bill something which has to happen by law anyway. Pathetic.

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She said that "11pm GMT on 29 March 2019" is "there in black and white" in an amendment to the EU Withdrawal Bill

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It is, isn't it?

As much as I dislike to pour scorn on the wretched, this is somewhat deserved.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:00 
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As much as I dislike to pour scorn on the wretched, this is somewhat deserved.


Different standards apply to the powerful. Being Prime Minister must be a horrible, lonely, and complicated job that's only bound to end in failure and disappointment, and she's at the helm during particularly turbulent seas. But being power means we can, nay must, criticise and oppose where necessary (we can also cheer if they do something right, and probably should). Unfortunately, the storms have brought to forefront her weakness, although I can't think of anyone in the senior ranks of the Tories who could do any better. Perhaps Philip Hammond, but only since he always came across as quiet and hard-working in defence and I've not heard much from him in recent times.

Here endeth the lesson. We now turn to hymn 342.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:13 
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Kern wrote:
MaliA wrote:
As much as I dislike to pour scorn on the wretched, this is somewhat deserved.


Different standards apply to the powerful. Being Prime Minister must be a horrible, lonely, and complicated job that's only bound to end in failure and disappointment, and she's at the helm during particularly turbulent seas. But being power means we can, nay must, criticise and oppose where necessary (we can also cheer if they do something right, and probably should). Unfortunately, the storms have brought to forefront her weakness, although I can't think of anyone in the senior ranks of the Tories who could do any better. Perhaps Philip Hammond, but only since he always came across as quiet and hard-working in defence and I've not heard much from him in recent times.

Here endeth the lesson. We now turn to hymn 342.


On this, I felt a twinge of sympathy for Brown this morning as he was being interviewed and had malicious quotes read to him from books by Blair and Lord Mandelson. Turns out (at risk of poking the bear through the bars <wink>), he wanted tighter regulation of the city, but was shouted down. Overall, he came out as likeable, just not in the right time.

Regarding Hammond, the "Spreadsheet Phil" nickname that has been bandied about has annoyed me somewhat, as it implies, to me, that actually looking at stuff and due diligence regarding his task is something that causes amusement. And then one looks over at DfExEU or whatever it is called.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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There's something fairly telling about the fact that it's 11pm - Brussels time.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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They should have set it to 1.30am on the 25th March

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Agency workers, I guess.


Did some asking: Across the industry, there's been a switch to zero hours contracts for factory staff. So, if people can earn 10p an hour more down the road, they do that; if they decide they don't want to work that day as they've gotten shitfaced the night before, they don't turn up and go elsewhere the day after.

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That's not an answer as to why wages are not rising. That's a reason to raise wages to attract and retain staff, in fact.


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That's not an answer as to why wages are not rising. That's a reason to raise wages to attract and retain staff, in fact.


Oh, controlling business costs.

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Oh, controlling costs.

...you're not allowed to moan about it being hard to find staff then!


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Oh, controlling costs.

...you're not allowed to moan about it being hard to find staff then!


I don’t think you understand people :DD

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Oh, controlling costs.

...you're not allowed to moan about it being hard to find staff then!


I don’t think you understand people :DD


A similar thing happens in the big factories in China that make toys. One season, they're all making kid's firearms or whatever in Factory A, and having a jolly old time, then they go back to their village, and have a powwow with their mates about what it was all like. Next season, they all go to Factory B because Fat John said it was loads better and you get a cake on your birthday, so then there's no kid's firearms but loads of yoyos.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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James Dyson on Andrew Marr this morning:

Walk away from negotiations
Don't pay anything towards outstanding obligations
Scrap corporation tax
Make it easier to fire people

What a cunt.

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