TheVision wrote:
Oh yeah, also... my Lumia doesn't have any physical buttons on the front. Ahead of it's time I tell ya.... **Sigh**
But how far ahead of its time? If only there were a neato calculator function to find this out!
DavPaz wrote:
I wouldn't be too surprised that face unlock failed on the very first public demo. Murphy's law insists on it.
I don't think it did, actually. If you look closely the screen says "enter passcode to enable FaceID." That's the default state of a freshly booted iPhone; you need to enter the passcode at least once to activate the biometrics [1]. So FaceID didn't fail, it wasn't enabled on that phone. He switches to a backup phone immediately afterwards, he doesn't continue the demo on that one.
[1] you're actually decrypting the storage area where the biomoetric data is stored.
Bamba wrote:
Also, having moved between an S6 and my Nexus 6P a couple of times recently there are advantages to both front and back placement of fingerprint scanner but I prefer it on the back.
So do I, but there's no denying that phone-on-desk and (particularly) phone-in-car-mount scenarios are more awkward.
Having switched from front to back 
I think I also prefer a rear scanner. I'm constantly hitting this one by accident when I put it into my pocket and it wibbles to tell me it's not figured out my fingerprint so I think I've got a new notification 
I think I also prefer a rear scanner. I'm constantly hitting this one by accident when I put it into my pocket and it wibbles to tell me it's not figured out my fingerprint so I think I've got a new notification Grim... wrote:
Having switched from front to back
I think you have that back to front. I do!
I hope the face thing won't be used to make purchases. Often there's times when I've clicked on something by mistake and it's like "Confirm payment of £99.99 to Ashley Madison using your finger print". It's easy enough to not press a button and press cancel but if I'm looking at my screen to read the text I don't want to mistakenly activate the payment.
Oh course this is a daft example and I'm sure they've thought of this but I do wonder whether some unscrupulous apps might dispense with some checks and balances.
Oh course this is a daft example and I'm sure they've thought of this but I do wonder whether some unscrupulous apps might dispense with some checks and balances.
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Also, having moved between an S6 and my Nexus 6P a couple of times recently there are advantages to both front and back placement of fingerprint scanner but I prefer it on the back.
So do I, but there's no denying that phone-on-desk and (particularly) phone-in-car-mount scenarios are more awkward.
My phone doesn't lock when it's connected to the car bluetooth.
The Facial recognition will replace the finger print for Apple Pay, thinking that will be possibly fiddly when trying to have the phone close enough to the card reader and have it see your face?!
Quite like the idea of the Facial recognition to unlock as the minute you get any water on your fingers the finger print unlock stops working
Don't like the fact Apple have removed the 128GB storage (is that just on the X?) its the same with the new Ipad Pros as well 64 or 256\512
Not hard for me to get an X financially as I manage the phones at work and have a 6 figure credit account with VF as we have just renewed the company contract for 3 years
Quite like the idea of the Facial recognition to unlock as the minute you get any water on your fingers the finger print unlock stops working
Don't like the fact Apple have removed the 128GB storage (is that just on the X?) its the same with the new Ipad Pros as well 64 or 256\512
Not hard for me to get an X financially as I manage the phones at work and have a 6 figure credit account with VF as we have just renewed the company contract for 3 years
Phones have peaked. I'll be going SIM only when my current contract is up and only get another phone when my current one breaks.
I really do think Apple have lost the plot.
I want a phone that has a headphone socket that doesn't double as its port & requires yet more stupid, bespoke leads and prevents it from being charged at the same time, and a home button FFS so I can have half a chance of operating it when it's in the car cradle. I could not give a shit about gimmicks like face recognition, wireless charging and all that shite, just give me a phone I can use goddammit (that preferably doesn't cost a grand, or decides to delete GBs of my music at random).
Guess I'll be one of those guys perpetually looking for good condition 64GB 6S handsets on the secondhand market, then.
I want a phone that has a headphone socket that doesn't double as its port & requires yet more stupid, bespoke leads and prevents it from being charged at the same time, and a home button FFS so I can have half a chance of operating it when it's in the car cradle. I could not give a shit about gimmicks like face recognition, wireless charging and all that shite, just give me a phone I can use goddammit (that preferably doesn't cost a grand, or decides to delete GBs of my music at random).
Guess I'll be one of those guys perpetually looking for good condition 64GB 6S handsets on the secondhand market, then.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digit ... ailed-tech
Interesting article here comparing the face recognition software to the Kinect software on the Xbox. Some good points made.
Incidentally, I had a friend round the other week and because he's signed into my Xbox One, my Kinect kept recognising him and logging him in. This wouldn't be a problem if his wife wasn't at home watching Netflix on his Xbox One so it kept signing him out of that one, and into mine. It's the future!
Interesting article here comparing the face recognition software to the Kinect software on the Xbox. Some good points made.
Incidentally, I had a friend round the other week and because he's signed into my Xbox One, my Kinect kept recognising him and logging him in. This wouldn't be a problem if his wife wasn't at home watching Netflix on his Xbox One so it kept signing him out of that one, and into mine. It's the future!
Who was his wife Netflix and chillin' wit?
Cavey, I'm pretty sure the iPhone 8 still has a home button
I'm not interested in getting an X at all, and prefer fingerprint recognition for cases where I don't want to look at my phone, but...
A grand isn't much more than other top end phones.
The facial recognition technology is apparently far better than stuff in the past, so it will likely work a lot better than you expect.
I'm on board with wireless headphones and wireless charging just always seems cool and magical, so I'm less bothered about those changes. Just mostly seems "It's like the last one, but slightly better", which isn't really enough to sell me on wanting one, let alone paying for one at those prices.
A grand isn't much more than other top end phones.
The facial recognition technology is apparently far better than stuff in the past, so it will likely work a lot better than you expect.
I'm on board with wireless headphones and wireless charging just always seems cool and magical, so I'm less bothered about those changes. Just mostly seems "It's like the last one, but slightly better", which isn't really enough to sell me on wanting one, let alone paying for one at those prices.
I've never had any issues with the tech side Facial Recognition when I've used it (only on an Android phone, but still) - it's the "I look like a dick" side.
DavPaz wrote:
Cavey, I'm pretty sure the iPhone 8 still has a home button
Ah thanks mate, I didn't even know that lol.
/quietly tiptoes out of thread
Facial recognition is going to be waay more secure for me than for you.
Being a 10, my clearly defined features will have much better data points than the mean miasma of smoothed averages you 5s have.
Being a 10, my clearly defined features will have much better data points than the mean miasma of smoothed averages you 5s have.
MaliA wrote:
Facial recognition is going to be waay more secure for me than for you.
Being a 10, my clearly defined features will have much better data points than the mean miasma of smoothed averages you 5s have.
Being a 10, my clearly defined features will have much better data points than the mean miasma of smoothed averages you 5s have.
Aren't you at risk of overloading the circuitry and causing a small fire?
Kern wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Facial recognition is going to be waay more secure for me than for you.
Being a 10, my clearly defined features will have much better data points than the mean miasma of smoothed averages you 5s have.
Being a 10, my clearly defined features will have much better data points than the mean miasma of smoothed averages you 5s have.
Aren't you at risk of overloading the circuitry and causing a small fire?
Mate, I turn Speed Cameras' heads. So, probably
MaliA wrote:
Kern wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Facial recognition is going to be waay more secure for me than for you.
Being a 10, my clearly defined features will have much better data points than the mean miasma of smoothed averages you 5s have.
Being a 10, my clearly defined features will have much better data points than the mean miasma of smoothed averages you 5s have.
Aren't you at risk of overloading the circuitry and causing a small fire?
Mate, I turn Speed Cameras' heads. So, probably
Let's just hope that Gaston doesn't steal your phone.
Grim... wrote:
- it's the "I look like a dick" side.
Apple can't help you there mate. It's genetics.
TheVision wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Kern wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Facial recognition is going to be waay more secure for me than for you.
Being a 10, my clearly defined features will have much better data points than the mean miasma of smoothed averages you 5s have.
Being a 10, my clearly defined features will have much better data points than the mean miasma of smoothed averages you 5s have.
Aren't you at risk of overloading the circuitry and causing a small fire?
Mate, I turn Speed Cameras' heads. So, probably
Let's just hope that George Osbourne doesn't steal your phone.
I'm still not seeing anything to tempt me to upgrade from my 6S with a ten quid per month sim.
Here's the Apple Upgrade Programme monthly pricing. This is more realistic pricing; few people are paying upfront for unlocked phones.
NB -- this is just the phone; no cell service in that.
NB2 -- these prices include AppleCare, the extended warranty / cheap repairs service. Apple isn't quoting the price without that yet.
NB -- this is just the phone; no cell service in that.
NB2 -- these prices include AppleCare, the extended warranty / cheap repairs service. Apple isn't quoting the price without that yet.
Disappointed they don't have an iX in the range.
nice!
Also, £60 a month for a phone, plus call service? Fuck!
Also, £60 a month for a phone, plus call service? Fuck!
Grim... wrote:
I've never had any issues with the tech side Facial Recognition when I've used it (only on an Android phone, but still)
Don't lighting conditions fuck with it's recognition abilities in existing Android handsets? I've never bothered with it but without the Kinect-sensing Apple have added I wouldn't have expected it to work when it's dark.
DavPaz wrote:
But, yes. £1100 for a phone is ludicrous. That's almost 10x what I paid for my Moto G. Is it ten times better?
I remember when I got a Samsung d500 on contract, the phone cost was £1000. Contract itself was sensibly priced though.
Bamba wrote:
Grim... wrote:
I've never had any issues with the tech side Facial Recognition when I've used it (only on an Android phone, but still)
Don't lighting conditions fuck with it's recognition abilities in existing Android handsets? I've never bothered with it but without the Kinect-sensing Apple have added I wouldn't have expected it to work when it's dark.
I don't know about Android models but my Lumia works in pitch black so the technology there is fine. I imagine the Apple tech will do exactly the same.
Also: used facial recognition on the nexus 4.worked well enough, didn't have to do anything out of the ordinary. Indeed it was annoying in that it would often unlock when I didn't mean it to. (see concerns about payment)
Much prefer the fingerprint sensor on the 5x. Facial recognition is a step backwards.
Much prefer the fingerprint sensor on the 5x. Facial recognition is a step backwards.
Quote:
Here's the Apple Upgrade Programme monthly pricing. This is more realistic pricing; few people are paying upfront for unlocked phones.
I get work phones for users locked to VF from a tech fund we have with them as part of the contract.
However if I get a user who has lost or broken their phone then I buy the same model unlocked from a reseller and charge their cost centres
There has not been a stable channel for unlocked 7 models since they were released.
I just ordered £80,000 worth of the new Ipad Pro's for a sales force refresh and have been told I might get an idea of delivery times in 3 weeks
Same statement from 3 resellers.
Do you flog their old iPads?
Zardoz wrote:
Do you flog their old iPads?
At the last refresh we sent them all back as we leased them. The outgoing ones this time are purchased
so not sure what we will do
Thinking we might see if VF will take them, they take the old 5S and give us £50 each and put that into our tech fund.
Also got people circling from the business
If there's any bargains up for grabs let me know.
Zardoz wrote:
If there's any bargains up for grabs let me know.
Ok will do
Not sure when the new ones will arrive, then the update takes ages as 80% are field based and take time to catch and upgrade.
Only reason I ordered now was the finance said they had money and wanted the cost in 2017 budget
TheVision wrote:
Bamba wrote:
Grim... wrote:
I've never had any issues with the tech side Facial Recognition when I've used it (only on an Android phone, but still)
Don't lighting conditions fuck with it's recognition abilities in existing Android handsets? I've never bothered with it but without the Kinect-sensing Apple have added I wouldn't have expected it to work when it's dark.
I don't know about Android models...
It's specifically Android models I was asking about if you read my post because I'm pretty sure they don't use the fancy tech.
Nothing in that keynote particularly interested me enough to move away from my 6. No TouchID is a dealbreaker for me, so the X is out. My 6 is starting to get quite sluggish and is obviously struggling with some newer apps, but not even wireless charging is of enough interest to really make me move to the 8.
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
[1] you're actually decrypting the storage area where the biomoetric data is stored.
You're actually decrypting the storage area where the encryption key used to decrypt the storage area where the biometric data is stored is stored
Cras wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
[1] you're actually decrypting the storage area where the biomoetric data is stored.
You're actually decrypting the storage area where the encryption key used to decrypt the storage area where the biometric data is stored is stored
Go on, I'm nearly there.
is stored is stored
Lonewolves wrote:
is stored is stored
Roll me over, I'm done.
Lonewolves wrote:
is stored is stored
The ol' Irish Encryption...
The iPhone X will be £72.99 on EE with £100 upfront.
TheVision wrote:
The iPhone X will be £72.99 on EE with £100 upfront.
Per month. Important distinction.
Presuming a 24mth contract, that's £1,851.76 total.
Sorry, yes.. Per month.
DavPaz wrote:
Presuming a 24mth contract, that's £1,851.76 total.
Including line rental, but yeah.
I had to set up a new work phone last week
Normally I never back anything up as work email is on Exchange and my pictures all go to OneDrive. This is all I have to worry about so I just do a new phone build then install my apps again
This time I built the new phone from an ICloud backup, I'd bought 50Gb of storage so that we have backups of my wife's personal phone so my phone backups where on there as well.
The backup all went well but I found that after a day 90% the restored apps where on the phone but had "waiting" status.
So in the end I just went to the app store and installed them all from there.
Also with my text messages it only restored messages that had been sent to me, not ones I had sent.
Is this normal for a restore?
Normally I never back anything up as work email is on Exchange and my pictures all go to OneDrive. This is all I have to worry about so I just do a new phone build then install my apps again
This time I built the new phone from an ICloud backup, I'd bought 50Gb of storage so that we have backups of my wife's personal phone so my phone backups where on there as well.
The backup all went well but I found that after a day 90% the restored apps where on the phone but had "waiting" status.
So in the end I just went to the app store and installed them all from there.
Also with my text messages it only restored messages that had been sent to me, not ones I had sent.
Is this normal for a restore?
Lonewolves wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
Presuming a 24mth contract, that's £1,851.76 total.
Including line rental, but yeah.
Yikes! Line rental is worth next to fuck all these days. I recently got the end of my contract and decided to go sim only with our new broadband supplier (BT). I then got ping-ponged between EE and them until I ended up with 10GB a month and unlimited texts and minutes for £9 a month to stay with EE.
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