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37' 35" Marco Pantani 1997 Italy
37' 36" Lance Armstrong 2004 United States
38' 00" Marco Pantani 1994 Italy
38' 01" Lance Armstrong 2001 United States
38' 04" Marco Pantani 1995 Italy
38' 23" Jan Ullrich 1997 Germany
38' 34" Floyd Landis 2006 United States
38' 35" Andreas Klöden 2006 Germany
38' 37" Jan Ullrich 2004 Germany
39' 02" Richard Virenque 1997 France
37' 36" Lance Armstrong 2004 United States
38' 00" Marco Pantani 1994 Italy
38' 01" Lance Armstrong 2001 United States
38' 04" Marco Pantani 1995 Italy
38' 23" Jan Ullrich 1997 Germany
38' 34" Floyd Landis 2006 United States
38' 35" Andreas Klöden 2006 Germany
38' 37" Jan Ullrich 2004 Germany
39' 02" Richard Virenque 1997 France
Quick quiz! What's the conenction between some of thses riders?
MaliA wrote:
Nobody has gone quite so fast for a few years.
They all ride bicycles
KovacsC wrote:
Curiosity wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
Did he fail any tests?
Apparently not at the time, but part of the allegations are that he DID test positive, but that the Lance Armstrong Show was big enough to hush it all up.
How can one person for the drugs testers to not report it...
In Millar's book, he recounts how he'd been taking a banned substance as he'd "hurt his ankle" so had a doctor's note to explain it at drugs testing. At the dope check, the tester, on Millar's exit, remarked "So,how is the ankle?" with a look which Millar said "I know that you know that i know but there's nothing I can do".
I feel sad over all this.
MaliA wrote:
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37' 35" Marco Pantani 1997 Italy
37' 36" Lance Armstrong 2004 United States
38' 00" Marco Pantani 1994 Italy
38' 01" Lance Armstrong 2001 United States
38' 04" Marco Pantani 1995 Italy
38' 23" Jan Ullrich 1997 Germany
38' 34" Floyd Landis 2006 United States
38' 35" Andreas Klöden 2006 Germany
38' 37" Jan Ullrich 2004 Germany
39' 02" Richard Virenque 1997 France
37' 36" Lance Armstrong 2004 United States
38' 00" Marco Pantani 1994 Italy
38' 01" Lance Armstrong 2001 United States
38' 04" Marco Pantani 1995 Italy
38' 23" Jan Ullrich 1997 Germany
38' 34" Floyd Landis 2006 United States
38' 35" Andreas Klöden 2006 Germany
38' 37" Jan Ullrich 2004 Germany
39' 02" Richard Virenque 1997 France
Quick quiz! What's the conenction between some of thses riders?
What's even more astonishing is that in 2004 that stage was an individual time trial. Look at number two on the list.
-edit- although I suppose it doesn't make that much difference in a climb.
MaliA wrote:
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37' 35" Marco Pantani 1997 Italy
37' 36" Lance Armstrong 2004 United States
38' 00" Marco Pantani 1994 Italy
38' 01" Lance Armstrong 2001 United States
38' 04" Marco Pantani 1995 Italy
38' 23" Jan Ullrich 1997 Germany
38' 34" Floyd Landis 2006 United States
38' 35" Andreas Klöden 2006 Germany
38' 37" Jan Ullrich 2004 Germany
39' 02" Richard Virenque 1997 France
37' 36" Lance Armstrong 2004 United States
38' 00" Marco Pantani 1994 Italy
38' 01" Lance Armstrong 2001 United States
38' 04" Marco Pantani 1995 Italy
38' 23" Jan Ullrich 1997 Germany
38' 34" Floyd Landis 2006 United States
38' 35" Andreas Klöden 2006 Germany
38' 37" Jan Ullrich 2004 Germany
39' 02" Richard Virenque 1997 France
Quick quiz! What's the conenction between some of thses riders?
Based on that table, they're all really, really tall.
Craster wrote:
MaliA wrote:
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37' 35" Marco Pantani 1997 Italy
37' 36" Lance Armstrong 2004 United States
38' 00" Marco Pantani 1994 Italy
38' 01" Lance Armstrong 2001 United States
38' 04" Marco Pantani 1995 Italy
38' 23" Jan Ullrich 1997 Germany
38' 34" Floyd Landis 2006 United States
38' 35" Andreas Klöden 2006 Germany
38' 37" Jan Ullrich 2004 Germany
39' 02" Richard Virenque 1997 France
37' 36" Lance Armstrong 2004 United States
38' 00" Marco Pantani 1994 Italy
38' 01" Lance Armstrong 2001 United States
38' 04" Marco Pantani 1995 Italy
38' 23" Jan Ullrich 1997 Germany
38' 34" Floyd Landis 2006 United States
38' 35" Andreas Klöden 2006 Germany
38' 37" Jan Ullrich 2004 Germany
39' 02" Richard Virenque 1997 France
Quick quiz! What's the conenction between some of thses riders?
Based on that table, they're all really, really tall.
Or not quite at right angles.
for us cycling tifosi this actualdoesn't change that much.. we're knew this, and gave it its place in that era of cycling.... taking of his victories is quite ridiculous IMO
I like to live in perpetual denial, then get upset when it rears its head again.
romanista wrote:
for us cycling tifosi this actualdoesn't change that much.. we're knew this, and gave it its place in that era of cycling.... taking of his victories is quite ridiculous IMO
Quite, I mean who are they going to give those victories to? Morte wrote:
romanista wrote:
for us cycling tifosi this actualdoesn't change that much.. we're knew this, and gave it its place in that era of cycling.... taking of his victories is quite ridiculous IMO
Quite, I mean who are they going to give those victories to?I suspect no one.
That guardien piece has thrown up lots of interesting lnks. Like this one.
MaliA wrote:
That guardien piece has thrown up lots of interesting lnks. Like this one.
Wow...just read up to the part about Armstrong's sample results, that's pretty damning stuff.
no real surprise is it? Even bloody amateur roadies dope. 
The encouraging thing in all this, though, is that over time it is possible to clean up sports, mainly because they keep your samples from previous years. Sure, you might dope knowing you could get away with it this year, but knowing that in 4 years time they'd catch you and devalue your entire achievement? Much less likely. Great swathes* of throwers dropped out of the olympics just before they started, on the announcement that their 2004 samples were due to be tested. Surely no different for cycling, but the big problem there seems to have been that more or less everyone was at it, so competing without was almost impossible. That atmosphere has shifted, and the sport's much the better for it.
*(may be exagerrated from "a few", but definitely the world leaders)
*(may be exagerrated from "a few", but definitely the world leaders)
MaliA wrote:
That guardien piece has thrown up lots of interesting lnks. Like this one.
I can't believe I just read 13,000 words about something I thought I didn't give a shit about. That was fascinating.
Malabelm wrote:
MaliA wrote:
That guardien piece has thrown up lots of interesting lnks. Like this one.
I can't believe I just read 13,000 words about something I thought I didn't give a shit about. That was fascinating.
I know, right?
This is why we don't have heroes. They're only human and have human failings.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a wristband to melt.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a wristband to melt.
Cycling has a long way to go. If Bradley Wiggins tested positive and had his title stripped, would anyone be surprised? Even with all the gum flapping that he's done about being clean, no. I wouldn't be surprised. That's what cycling has to fight against for the next 20 years or so.
Right. Well. Hmm.
is the only positive thing to get out of this report.
Jesus.
Only need to get to the bottom of why SKY has employed a certain doctor as well, now, haven't we?
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According to two witnesses, the US Postal team doctor Pedro Celaya (who is charged by Usada and will face a hearing later this year) was thrown into a panic at the 1998 Tour de France by the Festina scandal, in which the French team was caught red-handed with a vast medicine cabinet of illegal drugs. Celaya flushed tens of thousands of dollars' worth of drugs down the toilet – though this would not have been much help if the French police had raided the team, because the toilet was in a camper van.
is the only positive thing to get out of this report.
Jesus.
Only need to get to the bottom of why SKY has employed a certain doctor as well, now, haven't we?
I'd recommend reading the report on the Armstrong affair. It's quite incredible. What an absolute cunt.
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As set forth in the affidavit of Tyler Hamilton, after Mr. Hamilton had testified about Mr. Armstrong’s doping and after Mr. Hamilton’s cooperation with federal law enforcement officials
had been publicly reported, on June 11, 2011, Mr. Hamilton was physically accosted by Mr. Armstrong in an Aspen, Colorado restaurant.819 Mr. Hamilton has testified that in connection
with this altercation Mr. Armstrong said, “When you’re on the witness stand, we are going to fucking tear you apart. You are going to look like a fucking idiot.”820 Hamilton further testified
that Armstrong said, “I’m going to make your life a living . . . fucking . . . hell.”821 Mr. Armstrong’s statements and actions plainly constitute an act of attempted witness intimidation.
had been publicly reported, on June 11, 2011, Mr. Hamilton was physically accosted by Mr. Armstrong in an Aspen, Colorado restaurant.819 Mr. Hamilton has testified that in connection
with this altercation Mr. Armstrong said, “When you’re on the witness stand, we are going to fucking tear you apart. You are going to look like a fucking idiot.”820 Hamilton further testified
that Armstrong said, “I’m going to make your life a living . . . fucking . . . hell.”821 Mr. Armstrong’s statements and actions plainly constitute an act of attempted witness intimidation.
Team SKY should have kept their mouth shut.
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British cyclist Alex Dowsett believes Lance Armstrong remains "a legend of the sport" despite the doping accusations against the American.
The United States Anti-Doping Agency banned Armstrong for life and stripped him of his seven Tour de France titles.
Team Sky rider Dowsett, 24, said: "He is still a legend of the sport. A guy who had cancer came back and won the Tour de France.
"I think it's not really important and I really don't think it matters."
The United States Anti-Doping Agency banned Armstrong for life and stripped him of his seven Tour de France titles.
Team Sky rider Dowsett, 24, said: "He is still a legend of the sport. A guy who had cancer came back and won the Tour de France.
"I think it's not really important and I really don't think it matters."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... rty_Truth/
EDIT: Podcast link, if yies want to listen to it elsewhere. http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/5li ... -2155a.mp3
EDIT: Podcast link, if yies want to listen to it elsewhere. http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/5li ... -2155a.mp3
All Tour titles gone, and now people want their money back. Oh my.
Oops! Silly cheaty Lance!
MaliA wrote:
All Tour titles gone, and now people want their money back. Oh my.
That's more like it. Stripping him of titles ain't shit if he still has his squillions of dollars in ill-gotten gains.
2013 route looks tough.
I'd put money on Alberto to win it, Froome comes in second after losing time on the antepenultimate day. Cavendish loses interest about halfway through and Wiggins is in 10-20th.
I'd put money on Alberto to win it, Froome comes in second after losing time on the antepenultimate day. Cavendish loses interest about halfway through and Wiggins is in 10-20th.
MaliA wrote:
2013 route looks tough.
I'd put money on Alberto to win it, Froome comes in second after losing time on the antepenultimate day. Cavendish loses interest about halfway through and Wiggins is in 10-20th.
I'd put money on Alberto to win it, Froome comes in second after losing time on the antepenultimate day. Cavendish loses interest about halfway through and Wiggins is in 10-20th.
I'm touched by your faith but I wouldn't be too hasty with your money until I've fully recovered from the cottage cold at least.
Superb! Gap is only a fourteen and a half hour drive from me! and I can take in Annecy on the way home!
That's a long way to drive for a sweater.
Curiosity wrote:
That's a long way to drive for a sweater.
Shush, you. I'm planning on how to sell this idea to MrsA. A pitch that isn't "We'll drive for 16 hours, sleep in the car, the cyclists go past, we all shout "hurrah" and go the 16 hours home".
Romantic weekend away?
KovacsC wrote:
Romantic weekend away?
Thanks, but I'd rather go with MrsA.
interesting interview with Landis
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I tried to be assuring but there was no way I could because I knew at that moment that LeLangue said “you” that my life was fucked and would never be the same. I was cold and sweating and unable to make any decision but I did my best to promise Amber that we’d both be okay, and I’d do whatever it would take to make sure of that, but I have never felt anything like that. I wasn’t okay for about a month. I didn’t sleep at all for at least two weeks; I would just lie there awake. And the longer it went, the worst it got and the harder it was for me to make decisions. I couldn’t think clearly.
Very interesting. Very long though, make sure you have an hour or so free when you start reading!
I stopped after: "I scanned his arms and legs and the crack of his ass"
Armstrong to go on Oprah. probably to complain about everyone that isn't him and how he is a good person now. The twat.
Even if he went on there and said sorry I wouldn't believe that he meant it. By all accounts he seems like a manipulative, bullying twat who hides behind his illness and his charity work.
markg wrote:
Even if he went on there and said sorry I wouldn't believe that he meant it. By all accounts he seems like a manipulative, bullying twat who hides behind his illness and his charity work.
He hasn't for this long, why now?
OTOH, I still think a lot of Virenque, Millar, Pantani, Riis, Simeoni, Zabel, Moreau, Zuelle, Hamilton, Basso, Landis, Ullrich, Vinokourov, Mayo, Moreni, Petacchi....
$250,000 was offered to USADA in 2004.
Dirty roadie drugs in MTB now. Surprised they've not thrown the fucking book at the anonymous cunt. Off season ban? GTFF! 
http://wideopenmag.co.uk/news/17368/dop ... bike-scene
http://wideopenmag.co.uk/news/17368/dop ... bike-scene
MaliA wrote:
markg wrote:
Even if he went on there and said sorry I wouldn't believe that he meant it. By all accounts he seems like a manipulative, bullying twat who hides behind his illness and his charity work.
He hasn't for this long, why now?
OTOH, I still think a lot of Virenque, Millar, Pantani, Riis, Simeoni, Zabel, Moreau, Zuelle, Hamilton, Basso, Landis, Ullrich, Vinokourov, Mayo, Moreni, Petacchi....
Did you read this inteview with Landis? http://nyvelocity.com/content/interview ... diskimmage
Just astonishing. Honestly don't know what to make of the guy now.
Rumours abound that Armstrong has admitted to doping in the Oprah interview to be aired later this week.
The arse is bound to try and make himself look the victim though. Grrrr.
The arse is bound to try and make himself look the victim though. Grrrr.
Curiosity wrote:
Rumours abound that Armstrong has admitted to doping in the Oprah interview to be aired later this week.
The arse is bound to try and make himself look the victim though. Grrrr.
The arse is bound to try and make himself look the victim though. Grrrr.
Yes. The cunt.