Craster wrote:
The Last Salmon Man wrote:
That's shit though. Sometimes it's fun checking out what's happening in the background. I don't want a film telling me where I should be looking - that's for me to decide!
Didn't say it was great, just said it was how to avoid getting a headache and eyestrain.
Oh, I don't. I've had no problems watching 3D films at all - it's just rubbish for so many reasons.
I'm back!
I thought it was pretty good, for a Ridley Scott first cut... I'll initiate spoiler discussion later when I've had a good think. I have questions!
But overall, a solid "Alien" effort. Needed another hour of film, though. Felt like it wasn't just cut down, but hacked at with an axe to get it to two hours, and a lot of vital stuff seems to be missing. I'm looking forward to the Director's Cut DVD with over an hour of extra scenes, and James Cameron's superior sequel, Prometheuss. Or Prometheuses. Or Promethei. Actually, it'd be Prometheuses if anything because it's a Greek word. Or Prometheodes...
Oh, and I thought the acting was passable. The worst being that female Scottish doctor (she only has a few lines), but she's so fucking bad it's almost difficult to tell if she's taking the piss or not.
I thought it was pretty good, for a Ridley Scott first cut... I'll initiate spoiler discussion later when I've had a good think. I have questions!
But overall, a solid "Alien" effort. Needed another hour of film, though. Felt like it wasn't just cut down, but hacked at with an axe to get it to two hours, and a lot of vital stuff seems to be missing. I'm looking forward to the Director's Cut DVD with over an hour of extra scenes, and James Cameron's superior sequel, Prometheuss. Or Prometheuses. Or Promethei. Actually, it'd be Prometheuses if anything because it's a Greek word. Or Prometheodes...
Oh, and I thought the acting was passable. The worst being that female Scottish doctor (she only has a few lines), but she's so fucking bad it's almost difficult to tell if she's taking the piss or not.
The Last Salmon Man wrote:
Grim... wrote:
The Last Salmon Man wrote:
Craster wrote:
BikNorton wrote:
I saw crappy 3D effects, and everything I wanted to look at was blurry, and OW FUCK MY EYES HURT, before walking out of Tron Legacy, getting a refund, and vowing never to watch a film in 3D again.
That's because you're trying to look at bits of the screen that aren't where the focus is. The trick is to let the film guide where you focus, and stop trying to look at background bits.
That's shit though. Sometimes it's fun checking out what's happening in the background. I don't want a film telling me where I should be looking - that's for me to decide!
Er, no, no it isn't. Unless you've got magic eyes that can see somewhere the camera isn't pointing.
For example, during exposition scenes on Nick Fury's ship thing in Avengers, I was checking out some cool details in the background - I wouldn't be able to do that in 3D as it'd all be blurry and I'd be forced to look at the focal point only.
I agree completely with Last Salmon Man. I too was trying to do that in Avengers and felt immensely frustrated that the labours of love the set-designers had toiled upon were forever out of discernment of my sharply resolving eye. 3D is shit.
There's a good bit with Nolan in this months Empire where he expounds on why he doesn't like 3D, but I won't go into it now. Everything that needs to be said is up there, above. If 3D was about, we would have missed the entertainingly floppy moustache extra in Commando who dies in every third shot. It would have been focused on Arnie's cigar instead. Or Bennett's equal raging hard-on.
That Empire review of Prometheus:
Was anyone actually eagerly awaiting "3D chestbursting" and the other stuff they talk about in that quote above? It seems the review and the disappointment felt in it, is based around the reviewer apparently expecting that. Despite the fact that Scott made it pretty clear it wouldn't be like that. Basically, the review is a little overly critical because the reviewer is apparently butt hurt.
He's right about the thin characters and lack of development, but that's a symptom of the film's only major problem - it's cut too short. Should've been three hours long.
But hey, film mags are even worse than games mags - everyone knows that.
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Only it stalls. Put it this way, if you were eagerly awaiting a reinvigoration of the Alien franchise, some 3D chestbursting, facehuggers popping out of succulent eggs, some fresh psychosexual strand of xenomorphology ready to haunt our lives — a chance for the audience to be one step ahead of the doomed crew — you’re in for a colossal let-down. Leastways, it turns out Scott wasn’t fibbing, or even hedging his bets — this most definitely isn’t an Alien movie in that sense at all.
Was anyone actually eagerly awaiting "3D chestbursting" and the other stuff they talk about in that quote above? It seems the review and the disappointment felt in it, is based around the reviewer apparently expecting that. Despite the fact that Scott made it pretty clear it wouldn't be like that. Basically, the review is a little overly critical because the reviewer is apparently butt hurt.
He's right about the thin characters and lack of development, but that's a symptom of the film's only major problem - it's cut too short. Should've been three hours long.
But hey, film mags are even worse than games mags - everyone knows that.
Did you watch it in teh freedez? I can't make my mind up whether to pay a tenner extra for the privilege or not.
(going tomorrow, squee)
(going tomorrow, squee)
No way! Regular 2D. Spent extra on VIP seating though. (Basically two rows of extra large arm chairs in the dead centre of the cinema.)
Conhnnnghhdrum
Do you enjoy 3D? Personally, I think it's shite. That's why I don't see films in 3D. If you like it, it'd probably be right good because it's a spectacular looking film.
I've seen about two films in triple D, one of which was UP which had some lovely depth but I don't think it made the film any better. It was probably a bit distracting, now I think about it. But that might have been because of the novelty of it all too. Hmmm, I might try it out and see if it adds anything. Doesn't sound like it'll ruin it from your teaser.
I saw Up in 3D as well. It was lovely in parts. Avatar, on the other hand, was a shite blurry mess. I can't remember what the other "live action" film I saw in 3D was now that I think about it, but after that and Avatar, I vowed never to bother any more. Certainly not worth paying MORE for. It's an inferior experience, in my opinion.
Some people are really down on Prometheus. Jonathan Ross doesn't like it. Lots of people tweeting it's shit. Is it one of those cases where it's cool to bash on the hotly anticipated thing?
WTB wrote:
Some people are really down on Prometheus. Jonathan Ross doesn't like it. Lots of people tweeting it's shit. Is it one of those cases where it's cool to bash on the hotly anticipated thing?
Probably just venting their disappointment, or a manifestation of their feelings that the film wasn't what they wanted.
I suppose that was always a danger. Loads of trailers, "Alien prequel" talk flying around.
Very nice.
Not brilliant or good but nice.
3D was awesome, by the way. There's never too much going on and since there are lots of slow pans or static shots it's really freaking cool. I didn't get much eye strain or 3D fatigue at all. Unlike the 3D in the advert for Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter which pissed me off instantly with its stupid tight shot action sequences. By comparison Promethus was just made for 3D. It looked amazing.
Too amazing in fact, because despite being a prequel to Alien the technology seemed far beyond what was on Nostromo. Got on my nerves that the touch screens and ship displays looked freaking awesome but I just didn't think it was in keeping with the fiction.
This should probably have its own thread, right, for spoilerific discussion!
That does it, I'm going towatch Alien again in preparation of whining and moaning, which is on Channel 4. NOW.
Not brilliant or good but nice.
3D was awesome, by the way. There's never too much going on and since there are lots of slow pans or static shots it's really freaking cool. I didn't get much eye strain or 3D fatigue at all. Unlike the 3D in the advert for Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter which pissed me off instantly with its stupid tight shot action sequences. By comparison Promethus was just made for 3D. It looked amazing.
Too amazing in fact, because despite being a prequel to Alien the technology seemed far beyond what was on Nostromo. Got on my nerves that the touch screens and ship displays looked freaking awesome but I just didn't think it was in keeping with the fiction.
This should probably have its own thread, right, for spoilerific discussion!
That does it, I'm going towatch Alien again in preparation of whining and moaning, which is on Channel 4. NOW.
The tech level really didn't bother me. In fact I think it's all in keeping with the three 'feels' of the ships in Alien, Aliens and Prometheus. Alien was set on board a grungy mining / cargo vessel that may have pre-dated all of the ships seen in the series, the Aliens ship had a real ruggedised military feel while the Prometheus was a cushy corporate jet type thingy that affords the level of comfort that allows Miss Sexy Boots a grand piano in her suite.
Nah, it's rubbish. The Alien tech was rubbish as well, especially after they'd changed the composition of the cockpit room too. There were no chairs or spongy buttons!
I really enjoyed that. I can't see what most of the nay-sayers are complaining about.
OK, the script isn't brilliant, but it does the job - there's not an awful lot of questions answered in the course of the film, so there's little opportunity for exposition which would be a valid criticism.
The characters are indeed totally undeveloped throughout the course of the film, but you could say the same thing about Alien really - until Aliens came along to develop Ripley's character a bit further. There's not really anyone in the first film that goes through a "character arc" or anything.
The effects, cinematography and general look of the film is astonishing - absolutely beautiful, and as Ian Fairies points out, the 3D is very unintrusive and doesn't add a massive amount to the film, so is easy to deal with.
A couple of things don't make sense (spoilers)
7.5/10
OK, the script isn't brilliant, but it does the job - there's not an awful lot of questions answered in the course of the film, so there's little opportunity for exposition which would be a valid criticism.
The characters are indeed totally undeveloped throughout the course of the film, but you could say the same thing about Alien really - until Aliens came along to develop Ripley's character a bit further. There's not really anyone in the first film that goes through a "character arc" or anything.
The effects, cinematography and general look of the film is astonishing - absolutely beautiful, and as Ian Fairies points out, the 3D is very unintrusive and doesn't add a massive amount to the film, so is easy to deal with.
A couple of things don't make sense (spoilers)
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7.5/10
See what I'd like explaining, really simply for an idiot, is:
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I'm quite pleased with those interpretations!
So are we all in agreement that the film felt like it had important scenes chopped out to bring it down to a "mainstream" running time?
So are we all in agreement that the film felt like it had important scenes chopped out to bring it down to a "mainstream" running time?
I really really hope this is another Kingdom of Heaven for Ridley, and that he does the right thing by the fans and reinstates at LEAST another 30 minutes for the BLu Ray release (conservative estimate on my part).
Yeah, it felt like there was a lot of "glue" missing that held everything together.
A lot of things in the film happened, and then had no further part to play in the film. Hopefully they're just bits that were excised for time and can be released on a Director's Cut.
On reflection, I've thought of another thing I didn't like:
Also, one of the people leaving the cinema at the same time as us said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but they've never been referred to by that name in any of the non-extended-universe material, right?
A lot of things in the film happened, and then had no further part to play in the film. Hopefully they're just bits that were excised for time and can be released on a Director's Cut.
On reflection, I've thought of another thing I didn't like:
ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
Also, one of the people leaving the cinema at the same time as us said:
ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but they've never been referred to by that name in any of the non-extended-universe material, right?
I really enjoyed that. Also stoked on recognising the place where they found the cave painting as being where we were a few weeks ago:
Old Man Of Storr Walk by Loopdreams, on Flickr
Old Man Of Storr Walk by Loopdreams, on Flickr
Cool! Did you find any cave paintings?
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That was amazing!
Can't really think of anything I didn't like about it. It was only on in 3D at the cinema we went to, and I'd say it was well worth it, for one or two scenes in particular.
As the credits came up, we were talking about it a bit, turned round and noticed *everyone else* in little groups doing the same thing! Hardly anyone had left. Never seen that at any film before.
Now to watch Alien and LOL at the suddenly dated technology.
Can't really think of anything I didn't like about it. It was only on in 3D at the cinema we went to, and I'd say it was well worth it, for one or two scenes in particular.
As the credits came up, we were talking about it a bit, turned round and noticed *everyone else* in little groups doing the same thing! Hardly anyone had left. Never seen that at any film before.
Now to watch Alien and LOL at the suddenly dated technology.
Ian Fairies wrote:
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kalmar wrote:
That was amazing!
Can't really think of anything I didn't like about it. It was only on in 3D at the cinema we went to, and I'd say it was well worth it, for one or two scenes in particular.
As the credits came up, we were talking about it a bit, turned round and noticed *everyone else* in little groups doing the same thing! Hardly anyone had left. Never seen that at any film before.
Now to watch Alien and LOL at the suddenly dated technology.
Can't really think of anything I didn't like about it. It was only on in 3D at the cinema we went to, and I'd say it was well worth it, for one or two scenes in particular.
As the credits came up, we were talking about it a bit, turned round and noticed *everyone else* in little groups doing the same thing! Hardly anyone had left. Never seen that at any film before.
Now to watch Alien and LOL at the suddenly dated technology.
Yeah, I forgot about the whole Alien thing and just enjoyed watching a big sci-fi at the pictures. I enjoyed Avengers but it left me slightly wondering what all the fuss was about. Just another superhero film, safe, formulaic, predictable but with some better then average dialogue etc. Much preferred watching Prometheus. I can forgive a film a lot of failings if it at least has some ambition and scope. If it is considered part of the Alien franchise then it's the third best one.
If we're comparing Avengers and Prometheus, Prometheus wins hands down.
Just watched this in Cwmbran of all places.
Clearly director's cut in the not too distant future, and probably a sequel as well. Things not already coved in the spoilers so far:
If you just want to go and see a film that captures the whole going to a new planet and discovering shit vibe, then you can't do a great deal better than this one. It's also a rather capable Alien universe film and when Scott gets his at on the cut, it'll probably be one of the very best sci-fi films of the last god knows how long.
With things like Another Earth and Chronicle around these days though, it's more like they've done away with bars than the bar has been raised. Best couple of hours I've had in the cinema for a good while, mind.
Clearly director's cut in the not too distant future, and probably a sequel as well. Things not already coved in the spoilers so far:
ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
If you just want to go and see a film that captures the whole going to a new planet and discovering shit vibe, then you can't do a great deal better than this one. It's also a rather capable Alien universe film and when Scott gets his at on the cut, it'll probably be one of the very best sci-fi films of the last god knows how long.
With things like Another Earth and Chronicle around these days though, it's more like they've done away with bars than the bar has been raised. Best couple of hours I've had in the cinema for a good while, mind.
It's another planet init? LV-223. The terrain was completely different to where the ship crashed in Alien, as well.
Righto.
WTB wrote:
If we're comparing Avengers and Prometheus, Prometheus wins hands down.
Saw both today (went on my own to the former, and then found my dad and brother were going to see the latter in the evening), and I have to agree! In spite of its problems - and many of the complaints here are spot-on - it's still a great way to spend a couple of hours.
Just to add a couple more nerd-niggles:
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Best part of The Avengers was
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WTB wrote:
If we're comparing Avengers and Prometheus, Prometheus wins hands down.
The Avengers is an enjoyable romp, but to me didn't match the hype.
As for Prometheus ......... for me (as a massive fan of Alien) it was a complete and utter disaster. I truly hated it. What a bloody mess. I honestly wish that I hadn't wasted my money on it.
2/10
Pundabaya wrote:
Anyway, I feel the Prometheus is on a hiding to nothing going the 'prequel of Alien' route. Every person who goes to see it will expect xenomorphs out of the wazoo, and if it doesn't happen, the film will get slated.
hmmm?
Because one person just said they hated it? Everyone else in this thread has been pretty positive!
Alien was always my favourite, so overall I was pleased with this. Very slow-paced, but picked up towards the end. It also felt like Bladerunner, in a way.
Dialogue was piss-weak, but I'd give it a 7.5/10. More questions than answers, though, and Rapace was a bit too much like a young Weaver, visually.
Dialogue was piss-weak, but I'd give it a 7.5/10. More questions than answers, though, and Rapace was a bit too much like a young Weaver, visually.
The Last Salmon Man wrote:
More questions than answers, though, and Rapace was a bit too much like a young Weaver, visually.
Heh, when I first saw her waking up from the hypersleep thingy near the start, I thought it was Weaver for a second.
This film sounds like Footloose. Sounds similar.
Dimrill wrote:
This film sounds like Footloose. Sounds similar.
John Lithgow makes everything better.
I enjoyed this. I don't think the script was weak, or the dialogue, to be more precise, I just think it was pared back too much in the editing. Scott, in an interview on Kermode and Mayo's film show (on iTunes if you fancy a listen) pretty much confirmed that there will be a director's cut in the future.
Hopefully, this would pad out and resolve some of the questions raised about some of the characters behaviour, moreso than addressing questions about the engineers, which I think are better left to speculation for now and resolved in later films.
Hopefully, this would pad out and resolve some of the questions raised about some of the characters behaviour, moreso than addressing questions about the engineers, which I think are better left to speculation for now and resolved in later films.
The hybrid one? Because it's half human, duh. 
Seeing Prometheus tomorrow. I've got a feeling I'm not going to like it judging by the bits I've read, but I'm hoping to be proven wrong. I'm only really a fan of the first Alien film and I've not even seen Resurrection yet, so I'm not overly precious about how it ties in with the rest.
devilman wrote:
I'm only really a fan of the first Alien film
It's much more like Alien than any of the other films. More suspense horror than all-out action film.
The Last Salmon Man wrote:
devilman wrote:
I'm only really a fan of the first Alien film
It's much more like Alien than any of the other films. More suspense horror than all-out action film.
Quite a few of the plot points are certainly very similar to those seen in Alien, but in terms of script and overall execution Prometheus is bloody lousy.
Four_Candles wrote:
The Last Salmon Man wrote:
devilman wrote:
I'm only really a fan of the first Alien film
It's much more like Alien than any of the other films. More suspense horror than all-out action film.
Quite a few of the plot points are certainly very similar to those seen in Alien, but in terms of script and overall execution Prometheus is bloody lousy.
The script wasn't good, I'll admit, but I enjoyed the pacing and overall thought it was pretty good. I'm looking forward to a director's cut.
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