That's not so big. My Lian Li PC-A10 is bigger.
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
That's not so big. My Lian Li PC-A10 is bigger.
T'isn't.
Lian Li PC-A10
215mm x 535mm x 522mm (W, H, D)
Silverstone TJ06
205 mm (W) x 566 mm (H) x 474 mm (D)
Which makes the Lian Li 60l compared to the Silverstone's 55l.
Doc wins with science. Again.
kalmar wrote:
Doc wins with science. Again.
Gaywood can't be beaten on volume.
kalmar wrote:
Doc wins with science. Again.
Piss off it's all about length
haha 
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Which makes the Lian Li 60l compared to the Silverstone's 55l.
So you bought the one you could hide in should the feds ever come for you for then?
Trousers wrote:
So you bought the one you could hide in should the feds ever come for you for then?
Hide in? I could live in it for up to two weeks in relative comfort. 
DavPaz wrote:
Nothing to do with gaming, but does anyone know if it's possible to disable the HDCP on an nvidia card?
*COUGH*
DavPaz wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
Nothing to do with gaming, but does anyone know if it's possible to disable the HDCP on an nvidia card?
*COUGH*
Probably something in the Nvidia Control Panel. Right-click on the desktop and there should be an option in the menu to take you there.
Why would you want to disable it though?
I've scoured every inch of the control panel, trust me.
I need to disable it as my receiver is a bit wonky with regards to HDCP handshaking. If I could get it working that way it would stop me losing my mind until I can get it fixed or replaced.
I need to disable it as my receiver is a bit wonky with regards to HDCP handshaking. If I could get it working that way it would stop me losing my mind until I can get it fixed or replaced.
Isn't the whole point of HDCP the fact that if you disable it, it'll refuse to transmit HD data over the HDMI?
I was hoping that wouldn't be the case with Media Center [sic]
Oh - in that case it shouldn't be. I think it's just if there's content that relies on it. Others are probably more knowledgeable than me.
Craster wrote:
Others are probably more knowledgeable than me.
Don't put yourself down, Grenade-Boy.
Did my link not help.....
fine I mudt be on ignore..... hello!!
fine I mudt be on ignore..... hello!!
I don't watch any protected HD through the MCE, just TV and (Home Movies - Ed). All my blu-ray and DVD needs are taken care of by the separate Blu Ray player which doesn't seem to trigger the problem in the same way. I can run the Xbox through component for now, so I was just looking for a fudge.
KovacsC wrote:
Did my link not help.....
fine I mudt be on ignore..... hello!!
fine I mudt be on ignore..... hello!!
Sorry Kov, didn't see you there. I found that link last night and tried the dohickey. It didn't work
Craster wrote:
Oh - in that case it shouldn't be.
It wouldn't surprise me, it is on the 360.
Duct time.
Temps with the duct off. Idle.
Load (Prime 95 blend 30 mins)
Duct on. After being modded to fit.
Idle.
Load
So that will probably get me another 200mhz overclock. When you consider this CPU does 52c load with stock clocks on a stock cooler 50c load with a 12% overclock it just awesome.
I
this case 
Temps with the duct off. Idle.
Load (Prime 95 blend 30 mins)
Duct on. After being modded to fit.
Idle.
Load
So that will probably get me another 200mhz overclock. When you consider this CPU does 52c load with stock clocks on a stock cooler 50c load with a 12% overclock it just awesome.
I
this case 
Talking of cases, I think the one on my new PC seems to be inadvertently buggering up my wireless signal. I've tried two PCI wireless cards and a USB one and all were pretty poor for seeing the router downstairs and staying connected to it with any reliability. Fortunately, I had a brainwave - I put the USB one (it's an Edimax Nano so it's a dinky little thing anyway) on the end of a USB extension lead and just trailed that on the floor away from the case. Since then, I've had a perfect a perfection connection. Looks a bit messy but I'll take that over dropped connections.
kalmar wrote:
Doc wins with science. Again.
If he had worked out the thickness of the material it was made from and then taken into account the ammount of things inside (fans and etc included) and then taken displacement into consideration then yes, he could well have won with science.
However, taking the outer dimensions and coming up with an internal cubic measurement without taking displacement into account is cheating.
Doc cheats with science!
(Actually if he was talking about the volume the unit displaces, hence 'size' then he's correct to use the external dimensions: his is larger. Fnarr)
(Actually if he was talking about the volume the unit displaces, hence 'size' then he's correct to use the external dimensions: his is larger. Fnarr)
TBH I wouldnt expect him to do that any way
I remember once we were doing a competition and the buildingbox software didn't know the displacement of a sand cast alu speaker chassis. So we had to mould the fucker and fill it with water, tip it back and figure it out that way.
Lots of fucking around
I remember once we were doing a competition and the buildingbox software didn't know the displacement of a sand cast alu speaker chassis. So we had to mould the fucker and fill it with water, tip it back and figure it out that way.
Lots of fucking around
If you had the measurements, why didn't you just work it out?
Buildingbox would only give you the internal volume with the input figures. Xmax, power, etc (thiele small parameters). It didn't calculate the driver displacement for drivers it wasn't programmed for.
Now normally you would just use the output sizes and build a box, but when it came to competition it was a lot more anal. This particular basket (frame) was sand cast and had about three times the spokes of a regular driver. It was also a different shape etc. Very odd ! So the only way to get it 100% right was to cast it and get the exact volume.
Crazy the lengths they went to over a fraction of a decibel
Still, when you're going for trophies and a world record I suppose it really is important.
Moulding wasn't that hard. Just stuck the bugger on a vacuum mold and made a plastic mold, then flipped it over, repeat, trim and join. We had a vacuum mold for making packing for our other components
Now normally you would just use the output sizes and build a box, but when it came to competition it was a lot more anal. This particular basket (frame) was sand cast and had about three times the spokes of a regular driver. It was also a different shape etc. Very odd ! So the only way to get it 100% right was to cast it and get the exact volume.
Crazy the lengths they went to over a fraction of a decibel
Still, when you're going for trophies and a world record I suppose it really is important.
Moulding wasn't that hard. Just stuck the bugger on a vacuum mold and made a plastic mold, then flipped it over, repeat, trim and join. We had a vacuum mold for making packing for our other components
Well, here we go... Quadfire or bust !
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One HIs 3870x2 boxed with all accessories - £50.
One Sapphire Pure Crossfire AM2+ board - £49.
Apparently this shit absolutely fucking eats Vantage alive. 4 graphics GPUS !!!
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One HIs 3870x2 boxed with all accessories - £50.
One Sapphire Pure Crossfire AM2+ board - £49.
Apparently this shit absolutely fucking eats Vantage alive. 4 graphics GPUS !!!
whered you get the card for £50
Ebay. If it doesn't work or I get bored I'll LYK. I just want to bash out some disgusting Vantage scores, then I'll prolly sell it
You are utterly crackers, JC.
Yeah I know. Mind you I had a think about it the other day and I could spend my money on far worse things.
A mate of mine has Crossfirex 5970s and man, in benchmarks they just blast anything else off the planet
Hey, it gives me a few weeks of piddle time for £50 and is very easy to sell on. I need the mobo *bad* dude. Basically I now have my AMD 940 to 3.4ghz @ 26c idle. Which is utterly crackers. I'm using rifle shrouds and dual fans. So I pushed to 3.6 and it kept rebooting. Then I find out that my board's VRMs will only handle a fuckin max TDP of 138w. @ 3.4 I'm on 137 and it's completely stable, but the Sapphire Pure does 160w LOL. So either way that will most certainly be staying around
Did Nicola arrive OK BTW? I've not heard from her or Rach and I'm worried, but I can't phone Nicola now.
A mate of mine has Crossfirex 5970s and man, in benchmarks they just blast anything else off the planet
Hey, it gives me a few weeks of piddle time for £50 and is very easy to sell on. I need the mobo *bad* dude. Basically I now have my AMD 940 to 3.4ghz @ 26c idle. Which is utterly crackers. I'm using rifle shrouds and dual fans. So I pushed to 3.6 and it kept rebooting. Then I find out that my board's VRMs will only handle a fuckin max TDP of 138w. @ 3.4 I'm on 137 and it's completely stable, but the Sapphire Pure does 160w LOL. So either way that will most certainly be staying around
Did Nicola arrive OK BTW? I've not heard from her or Rach and I'm worried, but I can't phone Nicola now.
You could also not spend your money. Seriously dude.
Well every one spends money. Life would be really boring if we didn't.
Yes, but you swing wildly between "I've spent enough, that's it" and "HAHAHA! LOOKITMAHTOYS no wait I don't like them I'll sell them on, quite often at a loss." There's periodically maintaining a PC to state-of-the-art-ish and there's doing little but chasing numbers, and from your postings on here you seem to be way towards the latter, with compulsion issues (and I'm not being harsh for the sake of it, or meaning to be harsh at all).
JohnCoffey wrote:
Yeah I know. Mind you I had a think about it the other day and I could spend my money on far worse things.
A mate of mine has Crossfirex 5970s and man, in benchmarks they just blast anything else off the planet
A mate of mine has Crossfirex 5970s and man, in benchmarks they just blast anything else off the planet
But does it do anything aside from Benchmarks that you couldn't do before? It's not like what you had before realistically struggled with any current game, surely?
It's a hobby. They're things people enjoy even if they're totally pointless. I waste money on radio controlled planes and all they all actually do is fly.
Mr Dave wrote:
JohnCoffey wrote:
Yeah I know. Mind you I had a think about it the other day and I could spend my money on far worse things.
A mate of mine has Crossfirex 5970s and man, in benchmarks they just blast anything else off the planet
A mate of mine has Crossfirex 5970s and man, in benchmarks they just blast anything else off the planet
But does it do anything aside from Benchmarks that you couldn't do before? It's not like what you had before realistically struggled with any current game, surely?
Nah it's actually shamefully fast tbh. When I say shamefully what I mean is it's so quick even with the old Phenom 9950 (2.6ghz 65nm hot bugger) that with certain games it pulls them along as well as this machine. And I paid £50 for the 3870x2 in there.
I haven't put the really heavy titles on it because there's no point. By heavy I mean BFBC2 and Dirt 2 etc. I know it would struggle with those
I wasn't even really thinking about doing it until I found the mobo on Scan on clearance. £49 for a Sapphire board that's better than any I am currently using. During this week I have been on an overclocking mission. A mate of mine on the forum I visit told me a trick that you use with the Corsair cooler to reduce temps in a big way. Basically you take two hold fans and hollow them out so they act as shrouds. Then you fit a fan on each end so it looks like this.
What that does is stop the dead space right in the middle of the fan on intake. It's usually pressed up against the radiator so you only get a donut of air. Very clever and by crikey it worked. I'm now idling at 34c after a ten hour idle. And that's overclocked too. So I did a couple of suicide runs to 4ghz and heat wasn't the problem. My Asrock has terrible VRMs and in the end I couldn't push no further than 3.4ghz. The Sapphire on the other hand? well that can handle up to 160w TDP where as my Asrock can handle 138. And that was the brick wall, so either way it could go in here and I would get my moneys worth
Quadfire is just something I've wanted to play with forever. It would be utterly crazy to risk £1000 on the latest dual cards to play with, but £100 for two cards? bargain
It's this kind of tech porn I love spending money on as it keeps me busy and occupied, and then I can write all about it with benchmarks and feed them to my fellow geeks
It's often asked how Quadfire would be now with the advent of very good drivers and scaling figures, so it's time to put it to the test JohnCoffey wrote:
Did Nicola arrive OK BTW? I've not heard from her or Rach and I'm worried, but I can't phone Nicola now.
Yes, I understand there is now a cat in the flat I was going to be keeping a PC in with the side panel off (ahh, neatly bringing things back on topic, go me!) because I can't be arsed to buy a case with decent cooling. If the cat destroys my stuff... well, I know where the wheelie bins are, that's all I'm saying.
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Haha
I got an email from Nicola just now.. God I felt like an arse. Totally forgot about it all last night until it was too late to call and see if she got back OK, and the weather darn sarf was bloody horrendous
As I said to Ozzy, no smacking. Savannahs and bengals don't react to it very well. When I say that what I mean is they usually rip you a new one Get a water sprayer mate, best method of training IMO.
I got an email from Nicola just now.. God I felt like an arse. Totally forgot about it all last night until it was too late to call and see if she got back OK, and the weather darn sarf was bloody horrendous
As I said to Ozzy, no smacking. Savannahs and bengals don't react to it very well. When I say that what I mean is they usually rip you a new one
Get a water sprayer mate, best method of training IMO. So I've decided to build a PC and I spent an hour today merrily adding shiny things to my basket on Scan, and this is what I ended up with:
MSI 770-C45
1GB Gainward GTX 460 GS GLH
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition
Antec 300 Three Hundred
Samsung SH-S223C/BEBE 22x DVD±R
500W Silverstone Strider ST50F
1TB Samsung HD103SJ Spinpoint F3
4GB (2x2GB) Corsair XMS3 Classic
Now, I didn't pay much attention to the PSU ('cos they're boring, innit) and just picked one around 50 quid thinking it'd be fine.
But I now notice that it has 'Dual +12V rails' (18A each) compared to other PSUs that just have a single rail (with say, 30 to 40A). Then I started seeing people saying a GTX 460 needs 24A...
I'm confused... will my 'dual rails' of only 18A each cause a problem with this??
MSI 770-C45
1GB Gainward GTX 460 GS GLH
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition
Antec 300 Three Hundred
Samsung SH-S223C/BEBE 22x DVD±R
500W Silverstone Strider ST50F
1TB Samsung HD103SJ Spinpoint F3
4GB (2x2GB) Corsair XMS3 Classic
Now, I didn't pay much attention to the PSU ('cos they're boring, innit) and just picked one around 50 quid thinking it'd be fine.
But I now notice that it has 'Dual +12V rails' (18A each) compared to other PSUs that just have a single rail (with say, 30 to 40A). Then I started seeing people saying a GTX 460 needs 24A...
I'm confused... will my 'dual rails' of only 18A each cause a problem with this??
73% wrote:
I'm confused... will my 'dual rails' of only 18A each cause a problem with this??
I think so. If it needs 24A and you only have 18A max on that line, then it's not going to get enough juice.
Poo.
Thanks though
Thanks though
Just cancel the PSU if you can? Or cancel it all and re-order, etc.
Doesn't it depend on the motherboard? Usually there's only one 12V rail* so if the outputs are paralleled you'll have 36A.
* I may be out of date though.
* I may be out of date though.
Thanks guys. Think I'll play it safe and change the order.
PSU is the most important thing on the list and should be considered and sorted long before you look at anything else tbh.
Lesson learned
kalmar wrote:
Doesn't it depend on the motherboard? Usually there's only one 12V rail* so if the outputs are paralleled you'll have 36A.
* I may be out of date though.
* I may be out of date though.
When they claim "dual rails", they usually mean two isolated lines coming from a single source. (a single 'real' rail). It's something to do with the ATX power standard, so they deliberately cap it at whatever rating they say. The problem is if your GPU is using 24A/18A and your CPU is using 6/18A, I don't think there's anyway to shuffle the spare 12 over. I think? What do I know. (I think the people who do a single high amp line just say "fuck the ATX standard".)
From what I've always known single rail is always better.
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