PC gaming hardware thread.
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Yes, I am home now, but I can't remember what I did last time to get the BIOS out. Didn't I document it in the post?
Nah you were dead cool and secretive.. I think it involved Linux though?
It was a Perl script I used; details here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4822&p=312566#p312566

You can probably do that in a few seconds using a Linux boot CD.
JohnCoffey wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
"Moleskin" is the heavy cotton. "Moleskine" are the notebooks.


I see. I think I'm going to call you Zanussi from now on. The appliance of science :D

Are you home now? It's just that I have another one of those gay Alienware bios exe things and I want the bios out so I can pinch the new logo.

Sorry, that sounds rude. What I meant to say was please could you use your l33t h4x0r sk1llorz to remove the bios rom like you did before :)

Is it just me who can picture this ending in tears?
Nik wrote:
JohnCoffey wrote:
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
"Moleskin" is the heavy cotton. "Moleskine" are the notebooks.


I see. I think I'm going to call you Zanussi from now on. The appliance of science :D

Are you home now? It's just that I have another one of those gay Alienware bios exe things and I want the bios out so I can pinch the new logo.

Sorry, that sounds rude. What I meant to say was please could you use your l33t h4x0r sk1llorz to remove the bios rom like you did before :)

Is it just me who can picture this ending in tears?


Noooo I don't want it for putting in a bios :D

I want it to use for my desktop backgrounds :)
JohnCoffey wrote:
Noooo I don't want it for putting in a bios :D

I want it to use for my desktop backgrounds :)

Oh good. I think.

Aren't logos in bioses usually crappy low-res and 256 colours (at best) though?
Nik wrote:
JohnCoffey wrote:
Noooo I don't want it for putting in a bios :D

I want it to use for my desktop backgrounds :)

Oh good. I think.

Aren't logos in bioses usually crappy low-res and 256 colours (at best) though?


Yeah but some of them are actually ok to be converted to 32 bit colour. Thisun for example came from Lacesensor's bios :)
JohnCoffey wrote:

Yeah but some of them are actually ok to be converted to 32 bit colour. Thisun for example came from Lacesensor's bios :)


Wow, is that Windows 7? Looks like a Chinese OSX rip-off.
chinnyhill10 wrote:
JohnCoffey wrote:

Yeah but some of them are actually ok to be converted to 32 bit colour. Thisun for example came from Lacesensor's bios :)


Wow, is that Windows 7? Looks like a Chinese OSX rip-off.


Yes, and yes.
Mr Dave wrote:
Zio wrote:
Mr Dave wrote:
More cost and more hassle.


Without wishing to go down the dark road of Mac Vs PC debate, I have to say that this is largely nonsense. There's very little reason to ever need to invoke Boot Camp on a Mac, unless it's games you'll be wanting, and even then most of the big titles get ported over to OS X fairly quickly these days. Virtualy everything I've ever wanted to do on a computer is entirely do-able on a Mac, in OS X.

And even if you do need to use Boot Camp, it's one of the most hassle-free experiences you could ask for. The Boot Camp application on OS X makes a FAT32/NTFS partition of whichever size you want on your active hard drive via a simple slider, without the need for reformatting or anything. It then burns you a CD with all the Windows drivers you need, which install absolutely effortlessly once you're in Windows.

Seriously, installing and using Windows via Boot Camp on a Mac is actually much less hassle than just doing it on an actual PC. Apple are absolutely the grand masters at user friendly design.

You've obviously never been on the receiving end of belligerent apple fans demanding you port your programs to macs (Response: Sod off, apple fans. I'm not spending money because you chose a shitty computer). And more cost is largely nonsense? You get windows for free on the mac, then?


Wait a minute... people 'pay' for Windows? To be fair, I wasn't really addressing your 'more cost' point, because we're talking about an Apple computer where more cost is a given. This may be why I use a Windows machine these days, but I wouldn't begrudge someone buying a Mac if they have the budget for it. They're really incredibly lovely computers and are in many respects totally worth the premium price tag.
NervousPete wrote:
Zio wrote:
Oooh, moleskin! I have one of their notepads for my college course + random scribblings. Moleskin are basically the Apple of the stationery world!

Damn straight they are! I love my moleskin, and it gets attention from the ladies as well.

Notepads get attention from the ladies? I want this to be true, but where are you: the coffee shop next to the Daily Planet? ;)
I just got a brand spanking new boxed Razer Lycosa Keyboard for £8 in a charity shop.

A happy day indeed. I am typing this on it and it feels lovely! Why anyone would dispatch this loveliness to a charity shop is beyond me.
The $80 one. Nice work sir.
DavPaz wrote:
The $80 one. Nice work sir.


Thanks :)

Yeah, the mirrored finish version. Very smart,I nearly bought one a few months ago but decided I couldn't justify spending that much on a keyboard.
WTG Nem :)

I've found some nice shit in charidee shops. I went in one once and saw the box for a pair of Creative Gigaworks speakers (twin yellow woofers). I saw the price on the box (£5) and started shaking in excitement. Opened it up to look and it was a fair pair of Altec Lansings that thumped hard. Very respectable for a bloody fiver :)

So yes, PC hardware. So I am about to get another 5770 1gb. This means I will have the cards and the straps to Crossfire. I can't afford a top end motherboard but I did find one made by Asrock with a bios 4 days old that supports my CPU and the entire 5 series range. It was only £40 delivered and has a couple of downsides, namely -

It's the first ever CrossfireX chipset so only one card will run at 16x in single operation mode. So basically if a game does not support Xfire I need to disable it in the control panel to get the full tilt from a single card (no biggy, this is why on Crossfire if it's not fully supported you actually get worse performance than you would on a single card). Basically when you run it in Crossfire mode (dual) the PCIE lanes split to dual 8X.

The other downside is it uses a sodding 20 pin power plug due to it being made in early 2007 (right as they began switching) and my 24 pin ATX plug won't physically fit and doesn't detatch so I have had to buy a £2 adapter cable.

Other than that I should have no problems at all :)

Oh there is one more downside. I have to buy more frigging thermal paste and it's so fucking expensive. I should use fucking toothpaste.


(yes, that was a joke).
JohnCoffey wrote:
The other downside is it uses a sodding 20 pin power plug due to it being made in early 2007 (right as they began switching) and my 24 pin ATX plug won't physically fit and doesn't detatch so I have had to buy a £2 adapter cable.


Don't be so sure - my old motherboard had a 20 pin connector, and my new one-piece 24 pin PSU fitted into it fine. So long as it's a standard port on the motherboard, and there's nothing physically next to the port to block the 4 redundant pins, it seems to be fine. I ran it for ages like that.
Mr Dave wrote:
JohnCoffey wrote:
The other downside is it uses a sodding 20 pin power plug due to it being made in early 2007 (right as they began switching) and my 24 pin ATX plug won't physically fit and doesn't detatch so I have had to buy a £2 adapter cable.


Don't be so sure - my old motherboard had a 20 pin connector, and my new one-piece 24 pin PSU fitted into it fine. So long as it's a standard port on the motherboard, and there's nothing physically next to the port to block the 4 redundant pins, it seems to be fine. I ran it for ages like that.


Yeah that's the thing. It's got shite on both sides. I hate motherboards that are configured like this. The adapter was cheap though.. Just got to get some thermal paste now :)
I had the same problem, JC. My power supply fizzed a few years back, so I dragged myself into town on the Sunday buses to buy a new one, only to find the connector wouldn't fit (I was completely ignorant of there being 2+ types then). So I dragged myself back there the following day to see if I could find one, but didn't have any luck, so ordered one off the Internet instead. A few days' wait, in a house with practically nothing other than my computer for entertainment, and I was tearing my hair out.

On the plus side, I had some of the earliest, most restful nights of my life then.
Same here. Without the PC I have no in home entertainment at all and it's not long before I'm climbing walls. Thankfully in spring & summer I go fishing a lot so I can take or leave the PC then (well, almost :D )

I will only have about a day's downtime at most. All I have to do in theory is swap out a motherboard. Sadly this new one has 2 SATA ports missing (so 2 drives need to come out.. doable but annoying) a stupid molex connector right in the middle and won't allow me to use my Silverstone panel as I once did.

The Silverstone panel hijacks the 24 pin cable from the PSU and piggy backs the power button into it's sensor so you can turn the PC on and off with the remote. Thing is -

1. My WinMCE remote shuts the PC down
2. I never ever turned the PC on using the silverstone remote

So I definitely won't miss that function :)
*boring techy geek mode alert*

So I've been doing a lot of reading over the past few days all about SLI and Crossfire. It's actually dead interesting really.

As I mentioned the 480x chipset divides the PCIE 'lane' speed when you use two cards. So you have a set of two PCIE 1.1 slots. If you're only using one card you put a terminator (any one who used RIMMS will remember the terminology) or as Asrock call it a PCIE switch into the first port and then a GPU in the second. Then you get 16x PCIE. If you use a second card in Crossfire the bandwidth over the lanes halves and you get 8x a port.

Thankfully before I placed my order for the board (because I'd researched all of this beforehand) I found a great article on Tom's where they ran some benchmarks on dual 8x Xfire vs dual 16x Xfire. The results were actually very interesting. You don't gain that much at all really using 16x. Well, you do but in most cases (especially the newer title they tested) there was hardly any difference. Why does that sound like DDR3?

Individual Crossfire Performance - World in Conflict

PCIe x8x8 vs x16x16 fps Percent

HD2900 XT (512 MB) CF PCIe 1.0a x8x8 80.0 100.0
HD2900 XT (512 MB) CF PCIe 2.0 x16x16 83.0 103.8
HD3870 (512 MB) OC CF PCIe 1.0a x8x8 90.0 100.0
HD3870 (512 MB) OC CF PCIe 2.0 x16x16 90.0 100.0
HD3850 (256 MB) OC CF PCIe 1.0a x8x8 72.0 100.0
HD3850 (256 MB) OC CF PCIe 2.0 x16x16 78.0 108.3

Very interesting if you're a total geek like me :)
JohnCoffey wrote:
*boring techy geek mode alert*


You're a few pages late with that. ;)
The motherboard I've got has to divide PCI-E up into two 8x lanes if you're using two graphics cards, it's a limitation of the P55 chipset. So I read that same article before making my purchase. I gather the only real problem is it limits you to dual Crossfire or SLI as shoving in a third card will actually decrease performace so much that you'd be better with just the one card in there.

To be honest, I'm playing Mass Effect 2 at the moment (when I get time - I started on Sunday and still haven't left Omega Station) and it runs silky smooth at 1080p, with everything set to their highest values and 4xAA. No idea what the frame rate is, but I'd imagine it was around 60FPS merely going on how smooth it runs.

Street Fighter IV I know for a fact runs at a very steady 60FPS with everything on maximum at 1080p (4xAA) and Dirt 2 at about 70FPS with everything at maximum. And this is running my processor at 3.2GHz, when I have it on good authority that my board and CPU combination can easily hit 4.2GHz with the proper cooling applied. So I'm pretty damn chuffed all in all.

Which means finally, at long chuffing last, I can stop pissing about with the hardware and start actually playing the games on it. Wonderful! In fact, I'm increasingly feeling like I may keep this PC after all and cancel the Alienware order, especially as Dell are properly trying my patience now.
Zio wrote:
The motherboard I've got has to divide PCI-E up into two 8x lanes if you're using two graphics cards, it's a limitation of the P55 chipset. So I read that same article before making my purchase. I gather the only real problem is it limits you to dual Crossfire or SLI as shoving in a third card will actually decrease performace so much that you'd be better with just the one card in there.


Indeed. Thankfully I shall never get that temptation as the Xfire board I am getting (today by the looks of it too) only has two PCIE slots :D

SLI is far more dependant on full x16 lanes. It's also actually quite shocking just how many motherboards on the market that share the lanes out. Crazy really. The entire X3x series all do it !

I'm totally thrilled at what I paid for the board. I'm not too happy it's an Assrock but to be fair to them it has bios updates a few days old and even though they canned it a long time ago they're still fully supporting it and answering all tech questions about it via email so fair play for that.

It's only real bad downside and one I only discovered last night (and am utterly fucked off about) is that it only has 4 SATA ports. Which sucks bells because I'm now going to have to remove two hard drives :( Having said that with crossfire running something has to give (PSU wise) and I have plenty of space to be able to remove them. Oh well :)

Zio wrote:
To be honest, I'm playing Mass Effect 2 at the moment (when I get time - I started on Sunday and still haven't left Omega Station) and it runs silky smooth at 1080p, with everything set to their highest values and 4xAA. No idea what the frame rate is, but I'd imagine it was around 60FPS merely going on how smooth it runs.


Never played the first one.. *embarassed*. I must read about that game.

Zio wrote:
Street Fighter IV I know for a fact runs at a very steady 60FPS with everything on maximum at 1080p (4xAA) and Dirt 2 at about 70FPS with everything at maximum. And this is running my processor at 3.2GHz, when I have it on good authority that my board and CPU combination can easily hit 4.2GHz with the proper cooling applied. So I'm pretty damn chuffed all in all.

Which means finally, at long chuffing last, I can stop pissing about with the hardware and start actually playing the games on it. Wonderful! In fact, I'm increasingly feeling like I may keep this PC after all and cancel the Alienware order, especially as Dell are properly trying my patience now.


SFIV ran well for me when I played it briefly. I'll no doubt be reinstalling it very soon. As for Dellienware? I told you. I ordered a keyboard.. A fucking keyboard from them and had to go through that awful phasing system. It took nearly a month to arrive, I got a phonecall at 6:30 am from a robot telling me it was being delivered and then never got the invoice.

Shoddy experience in truth mate.
Mr Dave wrote:
JohnCoffey wrote:
The other downside is it uses a sodding 20 pin power plug due to it being made in early 2007 (right as they began switching) and my 24 pin ATX plug won't physically fit and doesn't detatch so I have had to buy a £2 adapter cable.


Don't be so sure - my old motherboard had a 20 pin connector, and my new one-piece 24 pin PSU fitted into it fine. So long as it's a standard port on the motherboard, and there's nothing physically next to the port to block the 4 redundant pins, it seems to be fine. I ran it for ages like that.

The 4 redundant pins are clip off and on-able to the other 20 on my PSU. A smart move, it seems.
Mine too. It's a Coolermaster model and was supplied with the case.

It's Black.
YEEEEEEEEEEEHAWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Bloody hell. I don't think I quite realised how incredible two of these 5770s was going to be.

I just read a review (25 page) and it would seem that two £120 cards strapped together can quite easily outperform not only a 5870 but in most cases the 295GTX aswell.

Basically they're cheaper than one 5850 and outperform it almost (if not) always, and nearly half of a 5870 and outperform it at least 50% of the time. Scaling is so good that you can expect 1.7x the performance over one card.

I really was not expecting that.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd ... ew-test/13
Didn't you just get a new graphics card the other day? Now you have 2 more?
I brought one last week and got the second one today in exchange for the dead 280. Picked up a motherboard to do Xfire for £33 and just waiting on the thermal grease and cable extenders now :)
Well last night I discovered that a £33 full ATX motherboard does come with drawbacks.

Namely -

It only has two fan headers. I needed five. Thankfully my fans also have Molex connectors on them so with some good cable work it should work out OK.

The board layout is pretty disastrous and if I want good airflow and it to look tidy I'm going to have to lay out a fiver on cable extensions and sundries.

I think it's going to be a bit of a sod to fit and requires a lot of thought. Switching from the EVGA to the Asus was pretty easy really as they both have a similar feature set and layout. But this Asrock is a bit of a pain.
You love it, you masochist!
You can buy tubs of thermal grease on eBay for not much money, which saves waiting around.
DavPaz wrote:
You love it, you masochist!


Yeah, you're right of course. I think if it was easy to do I'd have gotten bored. As it is it's been a nightmare and I haven't even touched the bloody thing yet. I've had to shuffle all of the data around on my hard drives and partitions to get what I need left in the PC onto the drive that will remain (as two need to come out, fucking 4 ports?).

I also need to completely rewire the cables surrounding the board. And because the SATA connectors are the older "constantly fucking falling out type" I need to get locking cables. At least that gives me an excuse to get funky coloured ones. Then I want funky coloured molex extensions and of course cable ties and tidys.

I can see this getting expensive....

Grim. I ordered some TG a couple of days back and got an email last night to tell me it was shipping today. Bit strange, I mean usually you ship it and then tell the person. Mind you for 99p delivered I wasn't expecting them to hand deliver it :D
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MW007-Alienware-A ... 5190009ab5

Wow, that's pretty sick.

Even more sick that on Alienware UK it adds up to £3100 :o
JohnCoffey wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MW007-Alienware-Area-51-ALX-Intel-i7-950-3-06GHz-6144mb_W0QQitemZ350308309685QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_DesktopPCs?hash=item5190009ab5

Wow, that's pretty sick.

Even more sick that on Alienware UK it adds up to £3100 :o

From a related link
Quote:
Powerful Dual Core Dell Tower Computer Desktop PC 500GB
Dual 2.8=5.6GHz, Massive 2GB,New 500GB 2GB DVD-ROM/CDRW


Wow! A 5.6GHz CPU?
DavPaz wrote:
JohnCoffey wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MW007-Alienware-Area-51-ALX-Intel-i7-950-3-06GHz-6144mb_W0QQitemZ350308309685QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_DesktopPCs?hash=item5190009ab5

Wow, that's pretty sick.

Even more sick that on Alienware UK it adds up to £3100 :o

From a related link
Quote:
Powerful Dual Core Dell Tower Computer Desktop PC 500GB
Dual 2.8=5.6GHz, Massive 2GB,New 500GB 2GB DVD-ROM/CDRW


Wow! A 5.6GHz CPU?


Don't.. That has to be THE most annoying, faggy fucking thing in the world.

A few months back a guy on Ebay was desperately trying to sell a fake Alienware. He kept listing it as an Alienware @ 9ghz. All it was was a shite pentium D overclocked in a tacky case that he had added all the cores together on.

Four times his auction got closed before he gave up.
Does any one have an old PCIE card I can borrow? I need it for about a minute. I will pay both way's postage.
*holds head in hands* What have you done this time, JC?
Nothing. That's the thing, I can't do anything until I get a card :'(

The motherboard has been sent with bios 3.30 which is 2 bioses ago. I need it on 3.70 to support the Radeons.

I can't risk spending an entire day building the new set up and using up precious thermal paste if it's not going to work. I would have to switch the entire bugger back :(

So basically I need a jizzpile old GPU to put in merely for the bios flash.

I mean there's every chance the 5770s display a picture but I can't take that chance. I didn't buy a lot of thermal paste, literally enough to do the job twice if I had to but I would need to fit the new shit, take it out, fit the old shit and then refit the new shit again later on.

Way too risky. I really don't want to have to spend £25 (cheapest) on a graphics card just to use for a bios flash :'(

As for the bios? I'm not worried at all in any way. This board has a pop out bios chip and Asrock provide any bios ver of your choice on a chip for $15. I have a mate in the states who does me good rates :DD
i have a hd2400pro on pcie, but I'm not back at home until monday
Well there's no rush. This is one of the few times I have a fully functioning PC aswell as a pile of parts :)
Well I have my answer.

I just spent three hours fitting the Asrock only to get no signal. I thought it might be that the 5770 would work but not work properly in Windows for games etc. Seems not. With it connected the mobo spacks out beeping like mental and the DVD drives refuse to open and everything.

Good thing is I realised I have a stock cooler with thermal paste on it, so I still have enough to refit everything. Ive not even put it back together properly, no point as it all needs to come apart again next week.

God I'll be glad when this shit is over...

Sooooo, again if any one can send me a shite PCIE card I will pay the postage to and fro. I literally need it long enough to boot from Win98SE with CDROM support and run ASRFLASH.
JohnCoffey wrote:
God I'll be glad when this shit is over...


And you buy a 360?

KIDDING! I do admire your dedication to this pursuit.

*awaits inevitable Zarzation of that into 'fursuit'*
This will be the end of it. Seriously.

When my wife left and I had to sell my car I promised myself a cutting edge PC. I had always had one before I met her and I'm not new to bridging graphics cards. Back in the day I had a 8mb 3dlabs Octane or something and two 8mb Voodoo 2 cards strapped.

So yeah.. got the CPU I wanted (3ghz quad core) got the limit on ram, plenty of hard drives etc. I was either going to SLI my 280 (before I got it, as soon as I realised how hot it was I went off that) SLI some lower spec cards (250s, glad I didn't as triple scaling is fucking crap and they perform worse than 2) or what I have done.

This will give me so much speed and power it'll be insane. So once this is done the PC is pretty much at it's limit. Water cooling, Blu ray.. Everything I could possibly wish to fit and then I'll leave it to grow dusty and old.

Then I am going to move onto machine 2. I have a SATA DVDRW (Ive fitted an IDE back in here its better for flashing and it works perfectly) a pair of 250gb baracudas, Terratec sound card, Noctua cooler, Asus Crosshair SLI, more fans that I can wave a shitty stick at etc, etc.

All I need is a el cheapo Athlon 2 (£40 new) 2gb DDR2 (Ill pick up cheap shit for about £30) and a case and PSU (buying in 2 weeks) and I am laughing. I have onboard on the crosshair, but my cousin has said I can have his leftover 8600GS.

That's basically what I need. A complete spare machine. I wish I had one today, becuase then I could have just put everything away and not felt forced to have to rebuild everything just to get on the net etc.
I'm surprised you don't have a spare old thing knocking around. I still have my PII-400 and Celeron 433 that could be hooked up and operational in about ten minutes.
I don't really have the room tbh to store it. Thing is, Im fucking going to now.

I gave away a nice machine about six months ago. Core 2 Allendale 1.8ghz, 2gb DDR2 MSI motherboard and Rad 1650 pro. Lian Li case too. Thing is, at the time PC parts were so cheap it wasn't even worth selling.

Now? fucking hell, it's a nightmare !
Argh. For fuck's sake. Why is it you can tell you're having one of those days for fuck's sake?

I see a GPU on Ebay for £9.99 delivered. I hit buy it now.

Then I get this fucking shit.

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So I can't paypal anything to any one unless I verify. And verifying means signing an agreement and giving Paypal full reign over the bank account so they can sieze funds etc. Thing is, it's not my bank account or paypal account so I can't do it any way (and I wouldn't because I fucking hate Ebay and Paypal).

I should have stayed in fucking bed :'(
get verified man! It takes seconds if you have online baking access!
DavPaz wrote:
get verified man! It takes seconds if you have online baking access!


JohnCoffey wrote:
Thing is, it's not my bank account or paypal account so I can't do it any way (and I wouldn't because I fucking hate Ebay and Paypal)
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