Cras wrote:
Cavey wrote:
It's the principle that's important; I believe people have the fundamental right to vote and influence even complex things that, ultimately, they are paying for and/or which affect them profoundly. You don't.
No, I absolutely do. However, I believe that is best achieved during General Elections, where you choose representatives who agree with your beliefs, rather than by direct voting.
Well that doesn't sit very well with what you were saying before, but I can't be bothered to start re-quoting bits of your original and subsequent posts just to make some petty point or other, so hey. I must be getting soft in my old age.
As for General Elections, I really don't see what the difference is (from your POV) between where a party puts a clear commitment for something that's "too complex" for the man in the street to vote on into their manifesto, and that same thing being voted on in a referendum. Surely the latter's more focused and preferable in many ways, and either way, you've got thickoes voting on stuff they don't understand according to Lord Protector Craster.
General Elections aren't suitable for everything; would you be happy if the Tories had put "we're leaving the EU" into the manifesto, and got voted in? No? Thought not lol.