Cavey wrote:
I totally get that you cannot face up to even the most basic political culpability here; as I've said, this cult-like imbecility; this blinkered, black-is-white doublethink in order to avoid any blame for what is, admittedly, a catastrophe and undoing of all that you hold dear
I love how you think you got me figured out. Spoiler warning: across all the general and local elections for which I have been eligible to vote in, I've only voted Labour once, which was a protest vote in a safe Tory seat. Had Labour actually been in contention I likely would not have voted for them there, either.
Further spoiler warning: there's a lot of political thought out there that's a bit larger than your two-party mindset. You're the one who's blinkered into seeing things in black and white. Not liking the Conservatives doesn't make one a Labour voter.
Cavey wrote:
Yeah, that's me told, huh.
Protip: just because someone cannot be arsed to respond, for the nth time, doesn't mean they concede. It just means they can't be arsed.
I totally get that you cannot face up to even the most basic political culpability here; as I've said, this cult-like imbecility; this blinkered, black-is-white doublethink in order to avoid any blame for what is, admittedly, a catastrophe and undoing of all that you hold dear, is a characteristic of the Left. Whereas we, on the Right, can candidly discuss the absurdities and real politik implications of the Poll Tax; the ill-advised Lawson Boom; the catastrophic ERM, you lot can do no wrong. 'Conceited' and 'deluded' don't even begin to cover it, even to the point of denying what governments are even required to do, and what they're responsible for.
I've explained this before to you many, many times, so consider this the last.
Protip: just because someone cannot be arsed to respond, for the nth time, doesn't mean they concede. It just means they can't be arsed.
I totally get that you cannot face up to even the most basic political culpability here; as I've said, this cult-like imbecility; this blinkered, black-is-white doublethink in order to avoid any blame for what is, admittedly, a catastrophe and undoing of all that you hold dear, is a characteristic of the Left. Whereas we, on the Right, can candidly discuss the absurdities and real politik implications of the Poll Tax; the ill-advised Lawson Boom; the catastrophic ERM, you lot can do no wrong. 'Conceited' and 'deluded' don't even begin to cover it, even to the point of denying what governments are even required to do, and what they're responsible for.
I've explained this before to you many, many times, so consider this the last.
So you're saying that austerity has not caused the rise in food bank usage, that it's entirely a coincidence? Because that's a bold statement, akin to denying clim - oh wait, as you were.
I've never voted Labour in a GE or local elections up until this point, just so you know. But keep fighting those internet boogeymen!
I clearly missed a \s off my post.
Our EU data is coming soon (if I can work out this stats software)!
Our EU data is coming soon (if I can work out this stats software)!
Grim... wrote:
I clearly missed a \s off my post.
Our EU data is coming soon (if I can work out this stats software)!
Our EU data is coming soon (if I can work out this stats software)!
Thanks, it will be interesting.
Lonewolves wrote:
And Cavey, get that chip off your shoulder. You do good work with volunteering at a food bank. Just you wouldn't need to do it if you didn't vote Tory. 
This does intrigue me as well, because you said something similar before along these lines.
Are you really saying, as I think you are, that I only volunteer to help at the food bank, and do my other voluntary and community stuff to assuage my personal guilt for voting Conservative?
I mean, like, seriously? Do you actually think that/do you understand how batshit that sounds?
Cavey wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
And Cavey, get that chip off your shoulder. You do good work with volunteering at a food bank. Just you wouldn't need to do it if you didn't vote Tory.
This does intrigue me as well, because you said something similar before along these lines.
Are you really saying, as I think you are, that I only volunteer to help at the food bank, and do my other voluntary and community stuff to assuage my personal guilt for voting Conservative?
I mean, like, seriously? Do you actually think that/do you understand how batshit that sounds?
No, he's saying that there wouldn't need to be a foodbank for you to volunteer at if you didn't vote Tory, because if the Tories weren't in power the country would have a better welfare system.
Ah right, sorry if I've misunderstood.
Though, I'm sure Myp has said some stuff like this before?
Though, I'm sure Myp has said some stuff like this before?
Cavey wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
And Cavey, get that chip off your shoulder. You do good work with volunteering at a food bank. Just you wouldn't need to do it if you didn't vote Tory.
This does intrigue me as well, because you said something similar before along these lines.
Are you really saying, as I think you are, that I only volunteer to help at the food bank, and do my other voluntary and community stuff to assuage my personal guilt for voting Conservative?
I mean, like, seriously? Do you actually think that/do you understand how batshit that sounds?
Myp can speak for himself, but I don't read it that way at all. The way I read it, is that he's saying that food banks are only needed because of Austerity and that if there wasn't Austerity then you wouldn't need to volunteer.
Cavey wrote:
Yeah, that's me told, huh.
Protip: just because someone cannot be arsed to respond, for the nth time, doesn't mean they concede. It just means they can't be arsed.
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I've explained this before to you many, many times, so consider this the last.
So you're going to just keep saying Labour was completely culpable for the financial meltdown and then refuse to listen to anyone's counter points? Isn't that basically how Trump behaves? Aren't you a little uncomfortable with that?Protip: just because someone cannot be arsed to respond, for the nth time, doesn't mean they concede. It just means they can't be arsed.
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I've explained this before to you many, many times, so consider this the last.
(If you want us to stop rebutting it, you could just stop saying it.)
Cavey wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
And Cavey, get that chip off your shoulder. You do good work with volunteering at a food bank. Just you wouldn't need to do it if you didn't vote Tory.
This does intrigue me as well, because you said something similar before along these lines.
Are you really saying, as I think you are, that I only volunteer to help at the food bank, and do my other voluntary and community stuff to assuage my personal guilt for voting Conservative?
I mean, like, seriously? Do you actually think that/do you understand how batshit that sounds?
Umm, no, not at all. Weird that you would take it that way. I just think there's a huge cognitive dissonance present. You seem to want the best for the worst off in society, yet vote for a party who are systematically dismantling welfare and want to do the same with the NHS. It's just really strange.
Oh come on, saying I'm like Donald Trump is just below the fecking belt. 
Cavey wrote:
Oh come on, saying I'm like Donald Trump is just below the fecking belt.
You're not like The Don Trump.
More like Hitler, clearly.
Cavey wrote:
Oh come on, saying I'm like Donald Trump is just below the fecking belt.
Trump with your haircut would be at least 20% more electable.
GRAFS!
This is for people who vote "in". There's no undecideds.
Don't share these, ta. We're making a "sharing" one later this week, you can do what you like with that.
This is for people who vote "in". There's no undecideds.
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Don't share these, ta. We're making a "sharing" one later this week, you can do what you like with that.
Is that percentage of people who want Remain or Leave?
Cavey! I was thinking about you yesterday! I've just remembered! Exclamation!
We were having dinner in The Hartford Hall Hotel and I thought "This is probably as close to Cavey as I've ever been"
We were having dinner in The Hartford Hall Hotel and I thought "This is probably as close to Cavey as I've ever been"
70% < £5k is an anomaly, as so few households bring in less than 5k (19) that it's messed everything up.
DavPaz wrote:
Cavey! We were having dinner in The Hartford Hall Hotel and I thought "This is probably as close to Cavey as I've ever been"
Except for that one night...
Cavey wrote:
Oh come on, saying I'm like Donald Trump is just below the fecking belt.
If the definitely-not-a-hairpiece fits...
Lonewolves wrote:
Is that percentage of people who want Remain or Leave?
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This is for people who vote "in". There's no undecideds.
Also don't miss this bit:
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Don't share these, ta.
DavPaz wrote:
Cavey! I was thinking about you yesterday! I've just remembered! Exclamation!
We were having dinner in The Hartford Hall Hotel and I thought "This is probably as close to Cavey as I've ever been"
We were having dinner in The Hartford Hall Hotel and I thought "This is probably as close to Cavey as I've ever been"
Did you smell a slightly musky scent?
But seriously - yay!
We need to have LEFT VS RIGHT KLEEEK MEET. (Or just meet for a few jars
) Do people think the EU killed their spouse or something?
Lonewolves wrote:
Do people think the EU killed their spouse or something?
Have you ever tried reading one of the Treaties?
The marital status one is weird. What's going on there?
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
The marital status one is weird. What's going on there?
People in different types of relationships tell us how they plan to vote in the upcoming referendum
Technically correct!
Cavey wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
Cavey! I was thinking about you yesterday! I've just remembered! Exclamation!
We were having dinner in The Hartford Hall Hotel and I thought "This is probably as close to Cavey as I've ever been"
We were having dinner in The Hartford Hall Hotel and I thought "This is probably as close to Cavey as I've ever been"
Did you smell a slightly musky scent?
But seriously - yay!
We need to have LEFT VS RIGHT KLEEEK MEET. (Or just meet for a few jars
)We'd need a sanctioned neutral ground, like a Lib Dem constituency.
AHAHAHAHAHA
Lonewolves wrote:
Do people think the EU killed their spouse or something?
I like the difference between Separated and Divorced in those stats. Like people start of being 'FUCK YEAH, EU' because it'll be loads easier to bang a 20 year old Lithuanian girl, then by the time their divorce comes through they've banged so many 20 year old Lithuanian girls that they're jaded and cynical about the whole idea.
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Cavey wrote:
Oh come on, saying I'm like Donald Trump is just below the fecking belt.
If the definitely-not-a-hairpiece fits...
Nah, no chance of me wearing a rug. I'd look a total berk and have been a baldy for so long; it's my solar panel.
If you're wondering about overall "how are people voting" split, it's really close, and has been for the past three weeks. "Out" is on top, but barely (16,600 to 16,419).
Last week was 17,249 out to 17,291 in!
Last week was 17,249 out to 17,291 in!
Do you pay people for surveys, Grim...?
If so, do you have any use for a Healthy, Straight, Married, Father-of-two, Lower Middle Class, Mid-30's White Guy?
Mr Vanilla, me.
If so, do you have any use for a Healthy, Straight, Married, Father-of-two, Lower Middle Class, Mid-30's White Guy?
Mr Vanilla, me.
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
The marital status one is weird. What's going on there?
Older people are more likely to vote Leave, and are also more likely to have a dead partner.
DavPaz wrote:
Do you pay people for surveys, Grim...?
If so, do you have any use for a Healthy, Straight, Married, Father-of-two, Lower Middle Class, Mid-30's White Guy?
Mr Vanilla, me.
If so, do you have any use for a Healthy, Straight, Married, Father-of-two, Lower Middle Class, Mid-30's White Guy?
Mr Vanilla, me.
https://yougov.co.uk/account/faq/
DavPaz wrote:
Do you pay people for surveys, Grim...?
If so, do you have any use for a Healthy, Straight, Married, Father-of-two, Lower Middle Class, Mid-30's White Guy?
If so, do you have any use for a Healthy, Straight, Married, Father-of-two, Lower Middle Class, Mid-30's White Guy?
Of course we do, and yes, probably. We don't pay that much, though (although we pay more than most people).
Fuck me, the only we hope have left is if there is a "shy Bremainer" type effect going on which the polls can't reflect. Not entirely impossible, as some of use realise it's often best to stay quiet around nationalists loudmouths.
The Remain campaign has been utterly limp and toothless so far. They really need to pull some rabbits out the metaphorical hat very soon, and keep that useless cretinous moron leading the Labour Party as far away from themselves as possible.
The Remain campaign has been utterly limp and toothless so far. They really need to pull some rabbits out the metaphorical hat very soon, and keep that useless cretinous moron leading the Labour Party as far away from themselves as possible.
Whereabouts do you live, AnonX? I seldom see ot of what you describe. Do i happen to live in a bubble?
What they actually need to do is to get into the training schemes, further education centres, maternity groups, and outside primary schools (for parents, not the kids) and speak to young, disaffected people who don't usually vote, and tell them that it's important they have their say in this election more than just about any other, because otherwise it's going to be swayed by scared and/or greedy old people who will vote to try and protect their own interests in a world where they already have their wealth, their house, their savings, and misguidedly think they are guarding their assets and way of life from the free movement of people and it's results. Then those old people will die and leave younger generations with the crap that their vote brings about.
MaliA wrote:
Whereabouts do you live, AnonX? I seldom see ot of what you describe. Do i happen to live in a bubble?
Err, which bits do I describe? I have no evidence of a "shy Bremainer" effect, I just hope that there is one, if that makes sense.
I've seen lots of Leave.eu and GO groundtroopers out for the last month, no Remain campaigning locally (although I have seen a Remain stall on weekends in Southampton occasionally).
Locally it's 100% Brexit people. Outside my family, the only non-Brexit people I know are non-British EU or Swiss citizens who are resident here.
Don't worry the results of my poll suggest it's going to be 97% remain and 3% leave (ignoring the unsure)
Malc wrote:
Don't worry the results of my poll suggest it's going to be 97% remain and 3% leave (ignoring the unsure)
See my reply about the confirmation bias you see from the 'online' crowd you hang around with though.
My tongue was firmly in my cheek!
Related to what Mimi has said, MrsPaz's 86 year old grandmother has said that she's not going to vote, as it's nothing to do with her. I'm hoping to persuade her to vote Remain though.
Mimi wrote:
Then those old people will die and leave younger generations with the crap that their vote brings about.
Frank Turner, 'Love and Ire and Song' wrote:
It was bad enough the feeling the first time it hit
When you realised your parents had let the world all go to shit
When you realised your parents had let the world all go to shit
(That song also contains the brilliant refrain 'So come on, old friends, to the streets / Let's be 1905 (but not 1917)' )
DavPaz wrote:
Related to what Mimi has said, MrsPaz's 86 year old grandmother has said that she's not going to vote, as it's nothing to do with her. I'm hoping to persuade her to vote Remain though.
Na, just get her to sign over a proxy*
*Willingly, of course.
About as right wing as I could get was the thought that people over a certain age, say 70, should not be allowed to vote.
Someone from the IN Campaign just called me on my landline! So I told them I was a postal voter and hung up on them because I never give that number out.
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Cavey wrote:
(If you want us to stop rebutting it, you could just stop saying it.)
I've slightly added to my previous post. Nothing I've said should be new to you, of course; I've said these things ad nauseum in the past (to no avail), but hopefully some context to your, ahem, "rebuttal" (or rather, Cras' old post from another thread).
I won't stop saying it was Labour's responsibility, as the then UK government, to successfully and effectively regulate the banks, because this is a plain fact, inconvenient as it is to you and your ilk, no doubt.
As I've restated (yet again) in my edit, this is probably why Corbyn felt the need to apologise to the British people for this abject failure to discharge even the most basic governmental duty by his Party. Same as Miliband before him (and IIRC, Brown and Balls before him, too). Perhaps he was being 'fatuous' (lol), but clearly he/they thought there WAS stuff to apologies for in respect of specifically regulating the banks - but if you won't take it from the fucking Leaders of the Labour Party who were there at the time, you're hardly gonna take it from me, eh Doc. Ho hum.
Cavey wrote:
clearly he/they thought there WAS stuff to apologies for in respect of specifically regulating the banks - but if you won't take it from the fucking Leaders of the Labour Party who were there at the time, you're hardly gonna take it from me, eh Doc. Ho hum.
You don't believe anything else the Labour Party says, so why does this get special treatment from you?
I know you're not naive enough to think that politicians apologise for things that need to be apologised for. They apologise for things where there is political capital to be gained by apologising.
The last six years of conservative government haven't seen a single UK statutory instrument in banking regulation either. I've explained why this is, but if you won't believe me on it, I guess there is no point going over old ground.
The last six years of conservative government haven't seen a single UK statutory instrument in banking regulation either. I've explained why this is, but if you won't believe me on it, I guess there is no point going over old ground.
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