TheVision wrote:
I'm glad I upgraded and so far, I'm liking it but I only really use my PC for the internet and emulators so I had nothing urgent I need to make sure worked.
I used 8.1 before this and liked that too but I'm kind of missing my start screen now but there's not a massive difference between the two.
I used 8.1 before this and liked that too but I'm kind of missing my start screen now but there's not a massive difference between the two.
Not having to hover in the top right and click the Windows logo, then click desktop is rather nice. I don't know if they was a key combo to get you back if you opened a full screen app but yeah, that was my only minor annoyance with 8.1 and 8.
I mean, I actually quite liked Windows 8 and used it for well over a year.
JohnCoffey wrote:
But sticking to 7 now is pretty crazy given how old it is and how dated it is. Sure, you skipped 8 I can get that, but why on earth use something so old? We're all pretty tech driven around these parts surely you would want to use the latest and greatest and not be so damn stubborn about spending a day or two learning how to use it? honestly, for tech heads getting people to switch to Windows 8 showed me just how stubborn man can be !
Why is it 'crazy' to stick to an OS that is solid, fast, dependable, reliable, supported and proven?
If for some reason I had to use 8.1 (or 10) I'm sure I'd get used to them quickly enough and find them fine, but fundamentally I see an OS as a 'tool' as it were, it's just something that enables me to do the things I want to do on my computer - which is mainly internet/email and games, along with standard productivity such as Office, family photos and videos, media player etc etc. (Kind of the same as most people, I guess.)
I do have other considerations though such as remoting into work which requires special security plugins for IE and suchlike, I can't risk that stopping working, for example.
Point being, Windows 7 does all of that absolutely perfectly and dependably - I have no motivation to switch to a different OS at all. DX12 may change that over the coming months, I shall wait and see.
Cookie197 wrote:
I really don't like where "This PC" is on Windows 8 or 10.
Glad to hear they've renamed it. 'My Computer' always sounded too twee for me, and changing it to 'Computer' (or something less polite) was always one of the first acts of customisation I did whenever I got a new PC.
Kern wrote:
Cookie197 wrote:
I really don't like where "This PC" is on Windows 8 or 10.
Glad to hear they've renamed it. 'My Computer' always sounded too twee for me, and changing it to 'Computer' (or something less polite) was always one of the first acts of customisation I did whenever I got a new PC.
Kerns next act of customisation is to alter the crash dialogue to have the title "suck it up bitch". He hates it when his computer is polite and friendly. *insert emoji here*
I miss the days of Guru Meditation, now that was a crash message.
Cavey wrote:
Hearthly wrote:
Cavey wrote:
Still on XP (SP3!) here ...
... Yup, I'll fetch m' coat. "Taxi!"
... Yup, I'll fetch m' coat. "Taxi!"
Erm, don't connect that to the internet then.
There are many critical security flaws that have been fixed (in Vista and later) since XP went out of support.
You can mitigate somewhat by using Chrome as your browser and a supported AV product (such as Kaspersky).
Overall though, no.
Yeah, I know I'm on borrowed time, getting new lappies next month. (Btw, does anyone still do new laptops with integral, hard wired, "real"/physical RS232 ports, does anyone know?)
Am on Kaspersky and only use Chrome - but more by accident than design, I have to say.
We used USB to RS232 converters on a previous project.
Mr Dave wrote:
Kerns next act of customisation is to alter the crash dialogue to have the title "suck it up bitch".
It was always worse than that (BeeX summer re-run alert)
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He hates it when his computer is polite and friendly.
In my undergraduate days, my machine had one of those split and angled ergonomic keyboards and a trackball. Nobody bar me seemed to find this combination comfortable.
Hearthly wrote:
Why is it 'crazy' to stick to an OS that is solid, fast, dependable, reliable, supported and proven?
Because it's not fast, it's not supported and it's not proven?
It's old, doddery and should be laid to rest. Were you one of the XP hanger onners too? I recall loads of people saying the same thing about 7.
You've had to physically disable parts of your computer and you make the claim above.. Excuse me but
KovacsC wrote:
Cavey wrote:
Hearthly wrote:
Cavey wrote:
Still on XP (SP3!) here ...
... Yup, I'll fetch m' coat. "Taxi!"
... Yup, I'll fetch m' coat. "Taxi!"
Erm, don't connect that to the internet then.
There are many critical security flaws that have been fixed (in Vista and later) since XP went out of support.
You can mitigate somewhat by using Chrome as your browser and a supported AV product (such as Kaspersky).
Overall though, no.
Yeah, I know I'm on borrowed time, getting new lappies next month. (Btw, does anyone still do new laptops with integral, hard wired, "real"/physical RS232 ports, does anyone know?)
Am on Kaspersky and only use Chrome - but more by accident than design, I have to say.
We used USB to RS232 converters on a previous project.
We've done that, but have issues with somethings not liking the usb drivers (modems and the like - yes, yes I know)
JohnCoffey wrote:
Because it's not fast, it's not supported and it's not proven?
Come on old chap, at least make statements that have some grounding in reality.
Yes Win 7 is fast. Are 8/8.1 and 10 faster? Doubtless they are in some scenarios, but Win 7 is still fast. A Ferrari is faster than a Civic Type-R, but both are fast cars. I turn my PC on when I get home, by the time I've taken my shoes off it's sat at the login screen. That's fast enough.
Win 7 is supported fully by MS, and every software/hardware vendor in the world. What's your criteria for 'supported'? In fact, Windows 7 is actually better supported than Windows 10 at this moment in time.
As for 'proven'? You're really saying Win 7 doesn't have a solid and proven track record?
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It's old, doddery and should be laid to rest. Were you one of the XP hanger onners too? I recall loads of people saying the same thing about 7.
It's fairly old now, but 'doddery' is inaccurate and 'should be laid to rest' is a personal opinion.
And yes, I stuck with XP until 7 was well established and known to be solid and reliable.
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You've had to physically disable parts of your computer and you make the claim above.. Excuse me but
I've disabled hyper-threading, that's it. (And since hyper-threaded cores are effectively virtual, I haven't physically disabled anything.)
Hearthly wrote:
There are many critical security flaws that have been fixed (in Vista and later) since XP went out of support.
XP only went out of support a week ago. Agree with your general point though.
Anyway, the most important question about Windows 10 - is quickedit mode turned on by default in a command prompt yet?
Cras wrote:
Hearthly wrote:
There are many critical security flaws that have been fixed (in Vista and later) since XP went out of support.
XP only went out of support a week ago. Agree with your general point though.
Aren't you thinking about Server 2003 there? XP was ages ago (April 2014).
Oh yeah, whoops.
Weird, last XP (not MS Office or whatever) Microsoft update was only a couple of weeks back, and it's only Pro running on an old laptop, not server. (But I think it was "embedded", i.e. pre-installed on the machine, which may make a difference with MS?)
Kov - yeah I know you can have USB virtual RS232s, but the archaic, proprietary comms software we have to use for downloading specialist equipment doesn't like them.
JC - sorry for going OT in your thread
Kov - yeah I know you can have USB virtual RS232s, but the archaic, proprietary comms software we have to use for downloading specialist equipment doesn't like them.
JC - sorry for going OT in your thread
Cavey wrote:
Weird, last XP (not MS Office or whatever) Microsoft update was only a couple of weeks back, and it's only Pro running on an old laptop, not server. (But I think it was "embedded", i.e. pre-installed on the machine, which may make a difference with MS?)
MS are still releasing monthly Malicious Software Removal tools for XP, but that's it.
Quite a few big security holes have emerged since it went out of support, none of which are getting patched.
Cras wrote:
I'd say you differ somewhat from the prevailing opinion, JC - most folks seem to be of the view that 7 is a superb OS, and 8 was a dog that was upgraded to 'decent' by 8.1.
I don't think that's fair; a lot of people thought 8's interface was terrible certainly, myself included, but I don't think anyone ever claimed the OS itself was bad as such. It's just that it didn't bring any improvements I wanted enough to put up with the god awful UI.
JohnCoffey wrote:
Any one who balked at the front end simply didn't give it more than two minutes before deciding its fate.
We've argued this into the ground when you weren't here so I don't suggest we revisit the discussion at all but your above quote is pish dude. Plenty of people gave it a good go and just didn't like it. Sometimes people genuinely don't like stuff. That's how it goes.
JohnCoffey wrote:
We're all pretty tech driven around these parts surely you would want to use the latest and greatest and not be so damn stubborn about spending a day or two learning how to use it?
This is a complete straw man you've just made up in your head. No one's suggesting not moving to it because they don't want to "spending a day or two learning how to use it". People are wary because a lot of products, especially major OS upgrades, have issues in the first few months which is a fact of life. And especially if you're quite happy with the OS you've got it makes perfect sense to wait. I'm not because fuck it, but I totally understand why loads of people will.
You just called the UI god awful. Considering what most people do all day is interact with the UI, I'd say that qualifies as a bad OS.
Cras wrote:
You just called the UI god awful. Considering what most people do all day is interact with the UI, I'd say that qualifies as a bad OS.
I don't agree. If the functional aspects didn't work (e.g. files deleted themselves, applications would crash all the time, etc) then it's a bad OS. If it's got an annoying UI then it's just got an annoying UI.
No, those are just two different ways in which an OS could be bad. If an average user is struggling to do the things that the OS is designed to do then it is bad.
Whatevs.
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/7961599?
16 times more draw calls in DX12 than 11, and Mantle kicking ass too (even though it's pretty much defunct now, shame).
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/7961599?
16 times more draw calls in DX12 than 11, and Mantle kicking ass too (even though it's pretty much defunct now, shame).
Just switched to Edge after becoming frustrated with Firefox. I must say, I quite like it. Hopefully it will remain that way.
Bamba wrote:
Cras wrote:
I'd say you differ somewhat from the prevailing opinion, JC - most folks seem to be of the view that 7 is a superb OS, and 8 was a dog that was upgraded to 'decent' by 8.1.
I don't think that's fair; a lot of people thought 8's interface was terrible certainly, myself included, but I don't think anyone ever claimed the OS itself was bad as such. It's just that it didn't bring any improvements I wanted enough to put up with the god awful UI.
JohnCoffey wrote:
Any one who balked at the front end simply didn't give it more than two minutes before deciding its fate.
We've argued this into the ground when you weren't here so I don't suggest we revisit the discussion at all but your above quote is pish dude. Plenty of people gave it a good go and just didn't like it. Sometimes people genuinely don't like stuff. That's how it goes.
JohnCoffey wrote:
We're all pretty tech driven around these parts surely you would want to use the latest and greatest and not be so damn stubborn about spending a day or two learning how to use it?
This is a complete straw man you've just made up in your head. No one's suggesting not moving to it because they don't want to "spending a day or two learning how to use it". People are wary because a lot of products, especially major OS upgrades, have issues in the first few months which is a fact of life. And especially if you're quite happy with the OS you've got it makes perfect sense to wait. I'm not because fuck it, but I totally understand why loads of people will.
Please not the Win 8/8.1 front end discussion again Bit hard when you didn't have the discussion in the first place.
Any way, this thread was supposed to be about Win 10 but it's just being hammered now by people who don't use Win 10 nor want to. The fuck? That's like "Can't cook won't cook" don't fucking cook then.
Any way, this thread was supposed to be about Win 10 but it's just being hammered now by people who don't use Win 10 nor want to. The fuck? That's like "Can't cook won't cook" don't fucking cook then.
JohnCoffey wrote:
Bit hard when you didn't have the discussion in the first place.
Any way, this thread was supposed to be about Win 10 but it's just being hammered now by people who don't use Win 10 nor want to. The fuck? That's like "Can't cook won't cook" don't fucking cook then.
Any way, this thread was supposed to be about Win 10 but it's just being hammered now by people who don't use Win 10 nor want to. The fuck? That's like "Can't cook won't cook" don't fucking cook then.
Search Windows 8 on the forum,
JohnCoffey wrote:
Bit hard when you didn't have the discussion in the first place.
Any way, this thread was supposed to be about Win 10 but it's just being hammered now by people who don't use Win 10 nor want to. The fuck? That's like "Can't cook won't cook" don't fucking cook then.
Any way, this thread was supposed to be about Win 10 but it's just being hammered now by people who don't use Win 10 nor want to. The fuck? That's like "Can't cook won't cook" don't fucking cook then.
People are talking about Windows 10 on a Windows 10 thread; it's perfectly relevant. You just seem to be getting in a weird snit because people aren't as eager to upgrade as you.
I will see what the fuss is tonight...
We should have three Windows 10 threads: One for people who like it, one for people who don't like it, and one for people who are on the fence, and would like to discuss it. Nah wait, that'd just be silly.
Bamba wrote:
JohnCoffey wrote:
Bit hard when you didn't have the discussion in the first place.
Any way, this thread was supposed to be about Win 10 but it's just being hammered now by people who don't use Win 10 nor want to. The fuck? That's like "Can't cook won't cook" don't fucking cook then.
Any way, this thread was supposed to be about Win 10 but it's just being hammered now by people who don't use Win 10 nor want to. The fuck? That's like "Can't cook won't cook" don't fucking cook then.
People are talking about Windows 10 on a Windows 10 thread; it's perfectly relevant. You just seem to be getting in a weird snit because people aren't as eager to upgrade as you.
Sorry, for a moment there I thought you were my psychiatrist.
I'm not getting in a 'snit' (whatever that is) I came here to talk about Windows 10 and the use of it, not to say "Well I don't want it and because I'm that guy I'll just ruin the thread instead" (you know Hearthly, as you've been faithfully doing since 2001).
I'm not going to argue or debate with you over it because at my time of life I've realised that arguing on the internet is for wankers. You know? you don't earn a degree in it, it doesn't let you put your hand up its skirt and so on. It gains you absolutely no life skill whatsoever so yeah, as I said earlier whatevs.
I like it. I don't like how "Edge" does not allow Adblock yet and seems to be the only browser I can actually get working but you know? that's constructive criticism.
JohnCoffey wrote:
I don't like how "Edge" does not allow Adblock yet and seems to be the only browser I can actually get working
I've been using firefox, and it hasn't crashed on me, even with 10 tabs open.
Cookie197 wrote:
JohnCoffey wrote:
I don't like how "Edge" does not allow Adblock yet and seems to be the only browser I can actually get working
I've been using firefox, and it hasn't crashed on me, even with 10 tabs open.
Hmm bad luck then I guess. Oh well, at least the ads aren't too intrusive and if I want to watch YouTube I can just use my phone
JohnCoffey wrote:
Sorry, for a moment there I thought you were my psychiatrist.
I'm not getting in a 'snit' (whatever that is) I came here to talk about Windows 10 and the use of it, not to say "Well I don't want it and because I'm that guy I'll just ruin the thread instead" (you know Hearthly, as you've been faithfully doing since 2001).
I'm not going to argue or debate with you over it because at my time of life I've realised that arguing on the internet is for wankers. You know? you don't earn a degree in it, it doesn't let you put your hand up its skirt and so on. It gains you absolutely no life skill whatsoever so yeah, as I said earlier whatevs.
I like it. I don't like how "Edge" does not allow Adblock yet and seems to be the only browser I can actually get working but you know? that's constructive criticism.
I'm not getting in a 'snit' (whatever that is) I came here to talk about Windows 10 and the use of it, not to say "Well I don't want it and because I'm that guy I'll just ruin the thread instead" (you know Hearthly, as you've been faithfully doing since 2001).
I'm not going to argue or debate with you over it because at my time of life I've realised that arguing on the internet is for wankers. You know? you don't earn a degree in it, it doesn't let you put your hand up its skirt and so on. It gains you absolutely no life skill whatsoever so yeah, as I said earlier whatevs.
I like it. I don't like how "Edge" does not allow Adblock yet and seems to be the only browser I can actually get working but you know? that's constructive criticism.
Christ dude, just stop. Everything you've posted there is weird pointless nonsense.
JohnCoffey wrote:
Hmm bad luck then I guess. Oh well, at least the ads aren't too intrusive and if I want to watch YouTube I can just use my phone
Have you tried reinstalling it? I got it to delete everything, rather than keeping the programs on my PC to get rid of all the junk I'd accumulated since getting Win7, so maybe that has something to do with it?
lasermink wrote:
We should have three Windows 10 threads: One for people who like it, one for people who don't like it, and one for people who are on the fence, and would like to discuss it. Nah wait, that'd just be silly.
It seems like we have three W10 discussions already, all with the same title.
First impression, it looks ok. I like the mail bit and the icons across dual screens.
Not found any bugs yet,
Not found any bugs yet,
I think it looks a bit ugly - I'm not keen on a lot of the design queues. I've only had a quick play so far and not found any major flaws, but some things seem odd like having to resize the start menu vertically and horizontally as two separate steps.
Dr Zoidberg wrote:
lasermink wrote:
We should have three Windows 10 threads: One for people who like it, one for people who don't like it, and one for people who are on the fence, and would like to discuss it. Nah wait, that'd just be silly.
It seems like we have three W10 discussions already, all with the same title.
I finally get to use this:
Dr Zoidberg wrote:
I think it looks a bit ugly
Change your background picture.
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I've realised that arguing on the internet is for wankers. You know? you don't earn a degree in it, it doesn't let you put your hand up its skirt and so on. It gains you absolutely no life skill whatsoever so yeah, as I said earlier whatevs.
Argung on the Internet for 20 years was how I learnt to form a cogent augment. It led me to places like this, where I made friends for life, and it directly gave me my job at TUAW which in turn was a contributory factor in getting the dream job I do now. Don't underestimate the power of arguing on the Internet... if you're good at it.
No, you
Takes one to know one. 
Managed to get it installed on my wife's laptop using the media tool MS are providing
Its nicer that Windows 8 but still annoys me with its none desktop interface that I just don't want on a none touch device
Early days with the Siri clone but that's appearing to be shit, does nothing with the desktop other than put your requests into a web browser, looks to work better with Windows Apps, shame most of those are lacking.
Its nicer that Windows 8 but still annoys me with its none desktop interface that I just don't want on a none touch device
Early days with the Siri clone but that's appearing to be shit, does nothing with the desktop other than put your requests into a web browser, looks to work better with Windows Apps, shame most of those are lacking.
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Cavey wrote:
Weird, last XP (not MS Office or whatever) Microsoft update was only a couple of weeks back, and it's only Pro running on an old laptop, not server. (But I think it was "embedded", i.e. pre-installed on the machine, which may make a difference with MS?)
Kov - yeah I know you can have USB virtual RS232s, but the archaic, proprietary comms software we have to use for downloading specialist equipment doesn't like them.
JC - sorry for going OT in your thread
Kov - yeah I know you can have USB virtual RS232s, but the archaic, proprietary comms software we have to use for downloading specialist equipment doesn't like them.
JC - sorry for going OT in your thread
We've got an HP Probook 6570b in the lab running a dumb robot. It's got a serial COM port.
We got it around a year and a half, maybe 2 years ago. We've never used it for anything other than running the robot so I don't know if it's what someone else would call 'good' or not, but it fulfils the role here just fine. It's never been used off the bench other than being quickly shifted around so we can clean but it doesn't strike me as being all that portable. It's quite big and heavy so I wouldn't want to use it on the go.
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Argung on the Internet for 20 years was how I learnt to form a cogent augment.
You should probably get some more practice.
If you are having issues with the Windows update process for Windows 10 then follow the instructions here
http://venturebeat.com/2015/07/29/how-t ... ws-update/
MS have released a tool that you just run and it downloads the OS and does the update, it worked on my wife's laptop where the update had not worked for 2 days
http://venturebeat.com/2015/07/29/how-t ... ws-update/
MS have released a tool that you just run and it downloads the OS and does the update, it worked on my wife's laptop where the update had not worked for 2 days
Achilles wrote:
Every new Microsoft OS is less compatible than the previous one.
I've got PC games that dont run on each successive release. Ubik didnt run on XP, Scarface wont work on 7. Plenty of other examples. Fine, if you played them, finished them, will never play them again and dont care. Yes I know about Good Old Games too before anyone mentions that one.
I dont agree with the principle that newer is always better, and you cant tell me that Microsoft giving this away is because they suddenly became an altruistic company.
But heyho, enough people queue up outside Apple Stores at midnight for The Iphone1234567 to be completely up-to-date and 'cool'. Some see fans, I see sheep.
I've got PC games that dont run on each successive release. Ubik didnt run on XP, Scarface wont work on 7. Plenty of other examples. Fine, if you played them, finished them, will never play them again and dont care. Yes I know about Good Old Games too before anyone mentions that one.
I dont agree with the principle that newer is always better, and you cant tell me that Microsoft giving this away is because they suddenly became an altruistic company.
But heyho, enough people queue up outside Apple Stores at midnight for The Iphone1234567 to be completely up-to-date and 'cool'. Some see fans, I see sheep.
From my experience new has always meant more modern and with technology that's usually very good. Microsoft seem to crap out every now and then, but around six months ago I decided for a laugh to install every OS I could lay my hands on (I had a 12 port Dell SATA card) and even Vista with the most modern updates was really nice.
Every one knows when a stinker is coming. 7 was fantastic it's just very old. Speed and stability wise 8 never dropped a beat for me it was just a bit fiddly to navigate but with 10 being the new 7 they've sorted all of that.
Doc. I thought long and hard about how to reply to your post but it beats me. Are you saying that you have no other redeeming qualities that people love you for? or simply that the reason people like you is because you are good at arguing on the internet?
Personally I would hope it was the former. Yes, one can meet and find friends over the internet (though other than my first disastrous marriage I don't normally partake in that sort of behaviour) and even jobs and so on, but arguing is not something people usually tend to find attractive.
I tend to stick to real life now, having had pretty much the worst experience you could really want to have finding things through the internet. I'm also happy with my friends, family and my darling lady
so I don't feel I really need to go in search of anything on the internet. I usually find people tend to smile to your face, then once they are in the safety of their own home decide to tell you what they really thought of you. As thus that sort of human behaviour isn't something I go out of my way to look for.Any way, back to the topic.....
I thought Vista got a bit of a bad rap, it really wasn't that bad... on a decent machine.
7 is still going strongly on 3 of my PCs. For anything newer, I've really only got experience with Mavericks and Yosemite. I quite like those too.
7 is still going strongly on 3 of my PCs. For anything newer, I've really only got experience with Mavericks and Yosemite. I quite like those too.
Sir Taxalot wrote:
I thought Vista got a bit of a bad rap, it really wasn't that bad... on a decent machine.
7 is still going strongly on 3 of my PCs. For anything newer, I've really only got experience with Mavericks and Yosemite. I quite like those too.
7 is still going strongly on 3 of my PCs. For anything newer, I've really only got experience with Mavericks and Yosemite. I quite like those too.
Yeah indeed it actually felt rather sexy tbh. I forgot just how nice and simple and clean it was. XP felt bloody donkey's years old and I wasn't terribly impressed with Ubuntu. I really liked Mavericks but Yosemite kind of felt a little playschool for me. Fast though, and handles multi threads with serious aplomb. Maybe at some point I will try building myself another Hackintosh.