He backtracked from that position very quickly afterwards:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48525211
Not that anything he does or says is any guarantee of the future position of the US. There's shedloads of money to be made from fucking the NHS up so they'll almost certainly try; it largely then depends on whether those in power in the UK let them. In a sane world they'd get told to GTFF but Torys are almost certainly gonna Tory. I predict they'll crack it open just far enough to let the fuckers slither inside while appearing to have mostly pushed back. Ten year from now they'll have gradually hollowed the entire thing out, it'll be NHS in name only and everyone's quality of life will take a massive kick in the balls.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48525211
Not that anything he does or says is any guarantee of the future position of the US. There's shedloads of money to be made from fucking the NHS up so they'll almost certainly try; it largely then depends on whether those in power in the UK let them. In a sane world they'd get told to GTFF but Torys are almost certainly gonna Tory. I predict they'll crack it open just far enough to let the fuckers slither inside while appearing to have mostly pushed back. Ten year from now they'll have gradually hollowed the entire thing out, it'll be NHS in name only and everyone's quality of life will take a massive kick in the balls.
I have a theory about what may have happened here.
"At a press conference in London on Tuesday, Mr Trump was asked whether he believed the NHS should be part of a trade deal between the UK and US after Brexit.".
We're all assuming that he knew what the NHS was at that point, but there's a better than even chance that he didn't, and just shot his mouth off in his usual way.
"At a press conference in London on Tuesday, Mr Trump was asked whether he believed the NHS should be part of a trade deal between the UK and US after Brexit.".
We're all assuming that he knew what the NHS was at that point, but there's a better than even chance that he didn't, and just shot his mouth off in his usual way.
That theory could be tested quite easily by a journalist.
"Sure OMD and ELO should be on the table, I don't see why they wouldn't be..."
"Sure OMD and ELO should be on the table, I don't see why they wouldn't be..."
Warhead wrote:
I have a theory about what may have happened here.
"At a press conference in London on Tuesday, Mr Trump was asked whether he believed the NHS should be part of a trade deal between the UK and US after Brexit.".
We're all assuming that he knew what the NHS was at that point, but there's a better than even chance that he didn't, and just shot his mouth off in his usual way.
"At a press conference in London on Tuesday, Mr Trump was asked whether he believed the NHS should be part of a trade deal between the UK and US after Brexit.".
We're all assuming that he knew what the NHS was at that point, but there's a better than even chance that he didn't, and just shot his mouth off in his usual way.
That's certainly possible. Or he was genuinely being bullish about it without having the slightest idea of the uproar it would cause because, again, ignorance.
Bamba wrote:
That's certainly possible. Or he was genuinely being bullish about it without having the slightest idea of the uproar it would cause because, again, ignorance.
Could be ignorance, but also might be because he genuinely doesn't give a fuck about this little island that looks suddenly vulnerable and there is PROFIT to be made by trampling all over little people.
I'm not sure how much of the uproar from all the other things (as hateful as these things seem to us) has really impacted on him. It's hard not to feel incredibly disaffected by all of this.
Fuck: MPs reject Labour plan for no-deal vote https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48613921
Rory Stewart’s a devious git.
https://twitter.com/rorystewartuk/statu ... 4773724160
But he voted against the motion to try to prevent no-deal today. Because if that got through, he’d lose his USP as a leadership candidate?
Rory Stewart’s a devious git.
https://twitter.com/rorystewartuk/statu ... 4773724160
My opposition to No-Deal is unwavering - the best and securest way to take No-deal of the table is to vote for me to be our next Prime Minister.
— Rory Stewart (@RoryStewartUK) June 11, 2019
But he voted against the motion to try to prevent no-deal today. Because if that got through, he’d lose his USP as a leadership candidate?
Edited: Fixing the Twitter link
Nik wrote:
Fuck: MPs reject Labour plan for no-deal vote https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48613921
Rory Stewart’s a devious git.
https://twitter.com/rorystewartuk/statu ... 4773724160
But he voted against the motion to try to prevent no-deal today. Because if that got through, he’d lose his USP as a leadership candidate?
Rory Stewart’s a devious git.
https://twitter.com/rorystewartuk/statu ... 4773724160
My opposition to No-Deal is unwavering - the best and securest way to take No-deal of the table is to vote for me to be our next Prime Minister.
— Rory Stewart (@RoryStewartUK) June 11, 2019
But he voted against the motion to try to prevent no-deal today. Because if that got through, he’d lose his USP as a leadership candidate?
Because no tory member will be seen dead voting for a leadership candidate who’s dared to vote on a motion proposed by Corbyn.
Indeed. I keep wishing people would do the right thing, instead of what’s best for their parliamentary career or party. I am a naive fool, I know.
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So under a third of the Conservative and Unionist Party are actually conservative or Unionist? Blimey.
The Jeremy Corbyn question raises an interesting scenario: Mr Johnson fails to get the Withdrawal Agreement through and the opposition call a vote of no-confidence. Would he push for revoke/referedum to avoid an election?
The problem with Mr Johnson being slippery and untrustworthy is it's hard to predict how he would behave, but I think his ego would stop him being forced out of Downing Street as an election loser.
The Jeremy Corbyn question raises an interesting scenario: Mr Johnson fails to get the Withdrawal Agreement through and the opposition call a vote of no-confidence. Would he push for revoke/referedum to avoid an election?
The problem with Mr Johnson being slippery and untrustworthy is it's hard to predict how he would behave, but I think his ego would stop him being forced out of Downing Street as an election loser.
Kern wrote:
So under a third of the Conservative and Unionist Party are actually conservative or Unionist? Blimey.
And yes, you can match this with a "how much manual labour do Labour people do?" but I feel Unionism at least is a clear definable policy.
Yeah, its called, "Tory scum will be the first against the wall, come the revolution.'
Just realised it's three years since I woke up and spent a morning extremely distressed and distraught. I'd booked a holiday a while before and had to be talked onto the train by my parents over the phone due to the state I was in. First time a political event has genuinely fucked me up. I remember having a very welcome set of beers in Paris that evening once I'd arrived and calmed down.
I still despair about the state of politics and society, and the utter failure of most MPs to really grapple with the issues. I've learnt far much more about the EU, trade rules, trade policy, Ireland, the constitution and parliamentary procedure in the past 36 months than I ever really knew about in the past, and it's stunning that senior politicians either refuse to discuss the grave problems with any form of Brexit or clearly don't even know about them.
On the plus side it's also provided the riveting two volumes of first-draft history by Tim Shipman (recommended!), the brilliance of the 'Remainiacs' show, and created a proper European movement in this country for the first time.
The fact that we are, for now, still in the EU is a sign of hope. I just fear it's going to get darker before we finally consign all this to the past.
I still despair about the state of politics and society, and the utter failure of most MPs to really grapple with the issues. I've learnt far much more about the EU, trade rules, trade policy, Ireland, the constitution and parliamentary procedure in the past 36 months than I ever really knew about in the past, and it's stunning that senior politicians either refuse to discuss the grave problems with any form of Brexit or clearly don't even know about them.
On the plus side it's also provided the riveting two volumes of first-draft history by Tim Shipman (recommended!), the brilliance of the 'Remainiacs' show, and created a proper European movement in this country for the first time.
The fact that we are, for now, still in the EU is a sign of hope. I just fear it's going to get darker before we finally consign all this to the past.
Your eyes aren't decieving you, Mr Corbyn did say this in the Commons yesterday:
Now the words have passed his lips once, perhaps he might find he has a taste for them and will, perhaps, start saying it again?
Jeremy Corbyn wrote:
Will the Prime Minister tell us whether she believes that no deal should be on the table as a viable option? What would be worse: crashing out with no deal in October, or putting this issue back to the people for a final say?
Now the words have passed his lips once, perhaps he might find he has a taste for them and will, perhaps, start saying it again?
Here it is -- the most clear instance I've seen of hauling the Overton window towards "well, we had a no-deal Brexit and it was a disaster, but that was all the EU's fault." Which I suspect will become Johnson's position in the fullness of time.
https://twitter.com/anandMenon1/status/ ... 9665968128
https://twitter.com/anandMenon1/status/ ... 9665968128
‘If we end up on WTO terms it will be the EU’s choice’ declares Dominic Raab. And so it begins @BBCr4today
— Anand Menon (@anandMenon1) June 26, 2019
The Party of Personal Responsibility.
And Natural Governance! None of that nasty Chaos With Ed Milliband for us, thank you very much.
The irony, which Mrs May is right to point out, is that had Tory MPs voted differently earlier in the year we'd be out of the EU and into the transition period now. For that, I suppose we ought to thank them for their intransigence.
This seems fine.
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/ ... 0896741376
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/ ... 0896741376
#Marr: Are you prepared to look people in the eye and say you’ve got to lose your job due to no deal #Brexit?
— BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) June 30, 2019
Jeremy Hunt: “I would do it with a heavy heartâ€https://t.co/QRMo9Xmpv0 pic.twitter.com/yOlWaXD2Tz
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status ... 1096322048
So to sum up:
If in opposition, Labour will commit to campaign for a second referendum, and will campaign in that referendum to remain. But if in power, Labour will commit to a second referendum, but appears to also want to strike a Labour Brexit deal; one assumes they will not then back remain in that second referendum. In fact I think it is unclear if remain would even be an option on that second referendum.
So the message to remain voters is clear: you want Labour to remain in opposition.
Masters of game theory, these Labour types.
Labour announce their brexit position
— Sam Coates Sky (@SamCoatesSky) July 9, 2019
- support a referendum on Tory brexit deal or on a no deal brexit
- but appears to leave open position that if Lab win a general election they will negotiate its own deal and back that pic.twitter.com/ldJ6AXEgIl
So to sum up:
If in opposition, Labour will commit to campaign for a second referendum, and will campaign in that referendum to remain. But if in power, Labour will commit to a second referendum, but appears to also want to strike a Labour Brexit deal; one assumes they will not then back remain in that second referendum. In fact I think it is unclear if remain would even be an option on that second referendum.
So the message to remain voters is clear: you want Labour to remain in opposition.
Masters of game theory, these Labour types.
Well put Any objection if i nick that and send to my MP?
MaliA wrote:
Well put Any objection if i nick that and send to my MP?
None at all.
more here
https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/ ... 7480152064
https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/ ... 7480152064
This is @jeremycorbyn's briefing paper to help explain Labour's new Brexit policy sent to MPs.
— Matt Dathan (@matt_dathan) July 9, 2019
Some corkers in the Q&A section - such as "Could Labour go into an election arguing to campaign for leave in a referendum?"
Answer: "I'm not going to get into hypotheticals." !! pic.twitter.com/ADwJGBsaPj
Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Well put Any objection if i nick that and send to my MP?
None at all.
Ta. Sent a missive, mentioned the briefing paper wasn't much help.
What happened to Mr Corbyn's "straight talking politics"? I don't think this is going to satisfy anyone. Too remainy for Leavers; too leavey for remainers. And both camps have probably drifted off to other parties now already.
I'd be open to know what a Labour Brexit would involve, but frankly the moment for a soft landing in the EEA passed a long time ago and based on their behaviour in the Commons I don't think they're going to go any further than the Customs Union. . I'm not sure the EU would be open to reopening talks on the Withdrawal Agreement either, so unless they are talking about the political agreement - on how things might work after we leave - it's not going to go anyway.
By the time Mr Corbyn reaches 'unconditional confirmatory vote' I think I'll be in at hard revoke, or even full-on Eurofederalism.
I'd be open to know what a Labour Brexit would involve, but frankly the moment for a soft landing in the EEA passed a long time ago and based on their behaviour in the Commons I don't think they're going to go any further than the Customs Union. . I'm not sure the EU would be open to reopening talks on the Withdrawal Agreement either, so unless they are talking about the political agreement - on how things might work after we leave - it's not going to go anyway.
By the time Mr Corbyn reaches 'unconditional confirmatory vote' I think I'll be in at hard revoke, or even full-on Eurofederalism.
EU has said the WA is as stands, I think
I really don't think he is ready for delays at port when brexit happens.
https://twitter.com/stevedouble/status/ ... 0384537601
?
https://twitter.com/stevedouble/status/ ... 0384537601
Very unhappy @Deliveroo placed my order because it gave a 9.00 delivery time. Food was prepared in time yet been waiting to assign a rider since and now told won't be delivered until 9.30 - still no rider. Won't be happy if food has been sat waiting all this time.
— Steve Double MP (@stevedouble) July 14, 2019
?
Despite spending most of the morning on this, the best I can come up with is:
"Stop talking Deliveroo down!".
"Stop talking Deliveroo down!".
Kern wrote:
Despite spending most of the morning on this, the best I can come up with is:
"Stop talking Deliveroo down, sport!".
"Stop talking Deliveroo down, sport!".
Feex
Insightful post on Chris Grey's Brexit Blog on three versions of Richard Nixon and how they might apply to Mr Johnson.
The Commons have approved the amendment to the Northern Ireland Bill requiring Parliament to keep sitting. A wise precauation, although part of me thinks this is a bit of a shame, as I was rather looking forward to dealing with the constitutional question of whether Liz would have to accept a prorogation (my tl;dr is "yes"). For starters, it's a fun word to use.
Hmm...
Giphy "prorogation":
https://media3.giphy.com/media/p8xjnKCnhFh5u/giphy-loop.mp4
EDIT: Well-played, Giphsqueak.
Giphy "prorogation":
https://media3.giphy.com/media/p8xjnKCnhFh5u/giphy-loop.mp4
EDIT: Well-played, Giphsqueak.
We are now working with other European countries on a joint naval response to the situation in the Gulf, due to the US not being interested and the Royal Navy unable to handle it alone.
Giphy "oh, the irony":
https://media2.giphy.com/media/1wnL37zjTHibm/giphy-loop.mp4
Giphy "oh, the irony":
https://media2.giphy.com/media/1wnL37zjTHibm/giphy-loop.mp4
*Steals a referendum by spouting nonsense about an EU Army*
*Requests the formation of an EU Navy because the US won't help*
*Requests the formation of an EU Navy because the US won't help*
Kern, in April 2016, wrote:
Parliament's website now has a page with links to a large number of EU-related material if you find yourself unable to sleep without knowing the intricacies of, say, Northern Ireland's relationship with the EU.
Well, this post was both extraordinarily naive and prescient.
You can't argue with this very reasonable case though.
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You can guarantee they won't be able to name a valid example of one of these 'captures'.
devilman wrote:
You can guarantee they won't be able to name a valid example of one of these 'captures'.
I think they mean 'captors' and are just too stupid to know the actual word.
https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/auss ... eg/2236400
(via google translate)
(via google translate)
Quote:
Legal certainty for all British nationals in Germany
In the event that the United Kingdom leaves the EU without a withdrawal agreement, the Federal Government has today, 31.07. the Brexit Residence Reconciliation Act.
The aim of the bill is to create legal certainty for all British nationals and their family members who have made use of the EU's freedom of movement and have made life-long decisions in Germany in reliance on their survival.
The bill ensures that all British nationals and their family members who are authorized to move freely in Germany at the time of departure can obtain a residence permit. In addition, it creates the conditions of residence law so that these persons continue to have access to the German labor market.
The law still has to be passed by the Bundestag. It only comes into force in the event of withdrawal without a withdrawal agreement.
The bill will be published shortly.
In the event that the United Kingdom leaves the EU without a withdrawal agreement, the Federal Government has today, 31.07. the Brexit Residence Reconciliation Act.
The aim of the bill is to create legal certainty for all British nationals and their family members who have made use of the EU's freedom of movement and have made life-long decisions in Germany in reliance on their survival.
The bill ensures that all British nationals and their family members who are authorized to move freely in Germany at the time of departure can obtain a residence permit. In addition, it creates the conditions of residence law so that these persons continue to have access to the German labor market.
The law still has to be passed by the Bundestag. It only comes into force in the event of withdrawal without a withdrawal agreement.
The bill will be published shortly.
Just another example of project fear being proved wrong. See, it'll all be fine when we crash out with no deal...
Imagine the double digit food price rises! Almost the equivalent of buying an extra week's shopping a month!
Quote:
The aim of the bill is to create legal certainty for all British nationals and their family members who have made use of the EU's freedom of movement and have made life-long decisions in Germany in reliance on their survival.
The bill ensures that all British nationals and their family members who are authorized to move freely in Germany at the time of departure can obtain a residence permit. In addition, it creates the conditions of residence law so that these persons continue to have access to the German labor market.
The bill ensures that all British nationals and their family members who are authorized to move freely in Germany at the time of departure can obtain a residence permit. In addition, it creates the conditions of residence law so that these persons continue to have access to the German labor market.
Bolding mine - does that mean that this applies to *all* British nationals (and their families) regardless of whether they've settled in Germany? Because at the moment we all have freedom of movement for Germany, right?
zaphod79 wrote:
https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/aussenpolitik/europa/Brexit/brexit-aufenthalts-ueg/2236400
(via google translate)
(via google translate)
Quote:
Legal certainty for all British nationals in Germany
In the event that the United Kingdom leaves the EU without a withdrawal agreement, the Federal Government has today, 31.07. the Brexit Residence Reconciliation Act.
The aim of the bill is to create legal certainty for all British nationals and their family members who have made use of the EU's freedom of movement and have made life-long decisions in Germany in reliance on their survival.
The bill ensures that all British nationals and their family members who are authorized to move freely in Germany at the time of departure can obtain a residence permit. In addition, it creates the conditions of residence law so that these persons continue to have access to the German labor market.
The law still has to be passed by the Bundestag. It only comes into force in the event of withdrawal without a withdrawal agreement.
The bill will be published shortly.
In the event that the United Kingdom leaves the EU without a withdrawal agreement, the Federal Government has today, 31.07. the Brexit Residence Reconciliation Act.
The aim of the bill is to create legal certainty for all British nationals and their family members who have made use of the EU's freedom of movement and have made life-long decisions in Germany in reliance on their survival.
The bill ensures that all British nationals and their family members who are authorized to move freely in Germany at the time of departure can obtain a residence permit. In addition, it creates the conditions of residence law so that these persons continue to have access to the German labor market.
The law still has to be passed by the Bundestag. It only comes into force in the event of withdrawal without a withdrawal agreement.
The bill will be published shortly.
That's not a bad translation at all from Google - if they get any better, I'll be out of a job. The machines are coming...
GazChap wrote:
Bolding mine - does that mean that this applies to *all* British nationals (and their families) regardless of whether they've settled in Germany? Because at the moment we all have freedom of movement for Germany, right?
Remember that's just google translate and although I'd love that interpretation of the text to be like that I very much doubt it would be
It would be a very interesting offer "don't like where the UK is going - come and be a European citizen in Germany (*)"
(*) or a number of other EU countries
This might be the Just World Fallacy talking but by God, I hope so:
https://twitter.com/marcushwik/status/1 ... 4366451712
https://twitter.com/marcushwik/status/1 ... 4366451712
Remember that grainy montage of strikes and uncollected rubbish in the 1970s that was brought up for decades to attack Labour?
— maaarcus, darling (@marcushwik) July 31, 2019
Well the No Deal Brexit montage of shuttered factories, queuing trucks and empty shelves is going to live forever in HD
The current straw I'm clutching onto is that with Parliament closed and most people away for the summer, the Tories are using the opportunity to talk up "no deal" and xenophobia to rally their base and bring those who drifted to the Faragian Ego Party back into the fold. They're helped, as ever, by the utterly inadequate Labour response.
All this means that September and October are going to be even tougher than the first three months of this year.
All this means that September and October are going to be even tougher than the first three months of this year.
It would be a very interesting offer "don't like where the UK is going - come and be a European citizen in Germany (*)"
(*) or a number of other EU countries[/quote]
The law is mainly aimed at Brits who have made a life here, as a guarantee that they can stay and work, which will be a big relief for many people (assuming it gets through the Bundestag - I can't see why it wouldn't).
If the current UK goverment weren't such utter shits, they'd be doing something similar (and I don't mean the "settled statu" farce.
(*) or a number of other EU countries[/quote]
The law is mainly aimed at Brits who have made a life here, as a guarantee that they can stay and work, which will be a big relief for many people (assuming it gets through the Bundestag - I can't see why it wouldn't).
If the current UK goverment weren't such utter shits, they'd be doing something similar (and I don't mean the "settled statu" farce.
MrC wrote:
The law is mainly aimed at Brits who have made a life here, as a guarantee that they can stay and work, which will be a big relief for many people (assuming it gets through the Bundestag - I can't see why it wouldn't).
Yip , I totally get it - and as you've said your living there this must be a weight off your shoulders.