dammit, i am off ill too 
It's almost like unfettered capitalism isn't great after all
Lol, and it's not even if you pre-order the normal version; you need to pre-order the £70 "Elite Trooper Deluxe Edition" because of course you fucking do.
So I suspect if you went into Game you could still get in on it early Kov but you'd need to buy that £70 edition; or you could buy the same version online I assume.
So I suspect if you went into Game you could still get in on it early Kov but you'd need to buy that £70 edition; or you could buy the same version online I assume.
I ain’t touching this game with a bargepole, especially at full price. I played the original multiplayer and whereas it was fun for a couple of hours it soon got boring real fast. I honestly couldn’t play more than one round of AT-AT assault before jacking it in.
I might grab it when it's super cheap just for the campaign.
Pundabaya wrote:
Apparently, following the "customer feedback", they've dropped the price of Luke and Vader by 75%
And reduced the credits you get for completing the campaign directly because of it! Man, what a shit show.
https://www.vg247.com/2017/11/14/star-w ... paign/amp/
I don't think I'd have time to put 40 hours into a game to unlock a thing. Having an option to get there quicker seems reasonable.
MaliA wrote:
I don't think I'd have time to put 40 hours into a game to unlock a thing. Having an option to get there quicker seems reasonable.
You can’t buy it outright. You can only buy RNG loot crates. Thus, thence and therefore you’ll never know how much money you’ll have to spend before you get the thing you want. This is unacceptable.
Satsuma wrote:
MaliA wrote:
I don't think I'd have time to put 40 hours into a game to unlock a thing. Having an option to get there quicker seems reasonable.
You can’t buy it outright. You can only buy RNG loot crates. Thus, thence and therefore you’ll never know how much money you’ll have to spend before you get the thing you want. This is unacceptable.
I don't play Forza to drive a Focus, I want to powerslide a Venturi around Monaco in a cloud of cocaine in whilst a supermodel gives me road head and MONEY CANNOT BUY THAT EXPERIENCE?
MaliA wrote:
Satsuma wrote:
MaliA wrote:
I don't think I'd have time to put 40 hours into a game to unlock a thing. Having an option to get there quicker seems reasonable.
You can’t buy it outright. You can only buy RNG loot crates. Thus, thence and therefore you’ll never know how much money you’ll have to spend before you get the thing you want. This is unacceptable.
I don't play Forza to drive a Focus, I want to powerslide a Venturi around Monaco in a cloud of cocaine in whilst a supermodel gives me road head and MONEY CANNOT BUY THAT EXPERIENCE?
Red Letter Days
Findus Fop wrote:
MaliA wrote:
Satsuma wrote:
MaliA wrote:
I don't think I'd have time to put 40 hours into a game to unlock a thing. Having an option to get there quicker seems reasonable.
You can’t buy it outright. You can only buy RNG loot crates. Thus, thence and therefore you’ll never know how much money you’ll have to spend before you get the thing you want. This is unacceptable.
I don't play Forza to drive a Focus, I want to powerslide a Venturi around Monaco in a cloud of cocaine in whilst a supermodel gives me road head and MONEY CANNOT BUY THAT EXPERIENCE?
Red Letter Days
Red letter? He'll need a French Letter, AMIRITE?
One of the more depressing things to come out of all this was a post on Reddit (which I can't find now, naturally) from someone claiming to have worked on a previous big publisher game with lootboxes. Their chat was that they'd seen the numbers involved and a tiny amount of idiots/victims generated a massive fuckton of cash from buying this shit. So the upshot is that even if like 90% of the playerbase completely ignores loot boxes this will do nothing to discourage publishers from going all in on it. The single only thing that would stop this is of all the 'normal' players refused to buy the game entirely, thus removing the reason for the 'whales' to want to play either. And that's never going to happen because gamers are fucking idiots in this regard.
ETA: assuming all this is true obviously.
ETA: assuming all this is true obviously.
Bamba wrote:
ETA: assuming all this is true obviously.
I am absolutely confident that it is.
Yeah, they're called 'whales'. Mobile gaming obviously uses this mechanic too. They even create customised items based on the personal information they can scrape from them. 
Lonewolves wrote:
Yeah, they're called 'whales'. Mobile gaming obviously uses this mechanic too. They even create customised items based on the personal information they can scrape from them.
Yeah, I mentioned that terminology in my post and I know this is all totally A Thing in mobile gaming for sure; I just didn't want to make the same claim for something like a loot-crate fuelled console game without anything to back it up.
There''s a load of pension funds and the like invested in EA, so we'be got to buy this to keep the old folk up and running
There was quite a good Jim-Quisition video about this.
For our circle of gamers none of us are buying Battlefront 2, whereas without the pay-to-win shit it would have definitely been on the list for us all to maybe buy it for Saturday night multiplayer shenanigans.
For our circle of gamers none of us are buying Battlefront 2, whereas without the pay-to-win shit it would have definitely been on the list for us all to maybe buy it for Saturday night multiplayer shenanigans.
Satsuma wrote:
Grim... wrote:
And it's certainly shiny and whizzy when you open a loot box. You don't have to buy them, though, you can earn them as you play.
Isn’t the entire progression system linked to the loot boxes?
I thought there weren’t any additional weapons/skins/cards/whatevs unlocked through traditional levelling up and it was just dependant on what you get in a loot box which you earned through in game points.
Is that not the case?
That is not the case - you get both. They're still done via loot crates but you get some for levelling up and the things you get in them are fixed. I think I read that you don't get much when you get to the later levels.
Hearthly wrote:
pay-to-win shit
That's not what this is.
Pundabaya wrote:
I bet when you open them there is a convenient way to buy more in the same menu.
Not that I noticed, but I wasn't looking that hard.
Bamba wrote:
Lol, and it's not even if you pre-order the normal version; you need to pre-order the £70 "Elite Trooper Deluxe Edition" because of course you fucking do.
£70?!
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80 quid for a computer game?
Y'all need jesus.
Y'all need jesus.
Does he get a discount?
Cras wrote:
Does he get a discount?
Nah, he got nailed.
Jesus saves..... on Playstation games!
Ff fucking fs
This is not pay to win . You do not need to pay anything other than the 45 quid or so for the game. All unlocks are available without spending more money. Unlocks will not destroy playing or fun for you if you're not one of the 2% of players who pay for it. Also IT HAS A FUCKING SINGLE PLAYER CAMPAIGN WHICH IS ALL ANYONE SENSIBLE IS BUYING IT FOR.
Also, and more importantly, STAR WARS PEW PEW
Jesus H fucking Christ in a chicken basket.
This is not pay to win . You do not need to pay anything other than the 45 quid or so for the game. All unlocks are available without spending more money. Unlocks will not destroy playing or fun for you if you're not one of the 2% of players who pay for it. Also IT HAS A FUCKING SINGLE PLAYER CAMPAIGN WHICH IS ALL ANYONE SENSIBLE IS BUYING IT FOR.
Also, and more importantly, STAR WARS PEW PEW
Jesus H fucking Christ in a chicken basket.
MrChris wrote:
Also IT HAS A FUCKING SINGLE PLAYER CAMPAIGN WHICH IS ALL ANYONE WHO IS TOO CRAP TO PLAY ONLINE MULTIPLAYER IS BUYING IT FOR.
Feex
Worse than Hitler lootbox apologists.
Hahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahah
No. I've been desperately waiting for something of the ilk of dark forces or Jedi knight.
Edit -also I bet I'm better than you
No. I've been desperately waiting for something of the ilk of dark forces or Jedi knight.
Edit -also I bet I'm better than you
Hearthly wrote:
Worse than Hitler lootbox apologists.
It's like if guardian columnists started caring about video games.
MrChris wrote:
also I bet I'm better than you
I bet you are. The Grimlet could probably beat you, though.
Grim... wrote:
MrChris wrote:
also I bet I'm better than you
I bet you are. The Grimlet could probably beat you, though.
So could both first born and second born. Kids have crazy reflexes.
MrChris wrote:
Hearthly wrote:
Worse than Hitler lootbox apologists.
It's like if guardian columnists started caring about video games.
Hearthly wrote:
There was quite a good Jim-Quisition video about this.
For our circle of gamers none of us are buying Battlefront 2, whereas without the pay-to-win shit it would have definitely been on the list for us all to maybe buy it for Saturday night multiplayer shenanigans.
For our circle of gamers none of us are buying Battlefront 2, whereas without the pay-to-win shit it would have definitely been on the list for us all to maybe buy it for Saturday night multiplayer shenanigans.
You really do have an interesting view of the world...
MrChris wrote:
This is not pay to win . You do not need to pay anything other than the 45 quid or so for the game. All unlocks are available without spending more money. Unlocks will not destroy playing or fun for you if you're not one of the 2% of players who pay for it.
This is hilariously naive of you. As soon as these kind of mechanics appear in a game the design will almost certainly be tilted towards 'encouraging' you to use them; because otherwise why would they even be there? This is especially going to be true when the publisher has eschewed all other types of advanced fucking monetisation and pinned all their greedy little hopes on the loot boxes. I mean Christ, this has already proven itself to be true with the the ridiculous amount of grinding that was required to unlock Vader/Luke! Just because they've made a pretty Star Wars game doesn't mean you can't recognise the shitty things they've done with it...
ETA: to clarify, I'm not saying this is actually 'pay to win' or that it'll be unplayable terrible if you don't buy extra shit or anything. But it absolutely shouldn't be written off as having no impact on the gameplay at all.
KovacsC wrote:
Hearthly wrote:
There was quite a good Jim-Quisition video about this.
For our circle of gamers none of us are buying Battlefront 2, whereas without the pay-to-win shit it would have definitely been on the list for us all to maybe buy it for Saturday night multiplayer shenanigans.
For our circle of gamers none of us are buying Battlefront 2, whereas without the pay-to-win shit it would have definitely been on the list for us all to maybe buy it for Saturday night multiplayer shenanigans.
You really do have an interesting view of the world...
Is the irony of this entirely lost on you?
ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
Trekkies won’t think about whether they’re being ripped off or whether it’s a bad product, they just hear “YOU CAN PLAY AS A MUPPET” and spaff their money on it.
Bamba wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
Hearthly wrote:
There was quite a good Jim-Quisition video about this.
For our circle of gamers none of us are buying Battlefront 2, whereas without the pay-to-win shit it would have definitely been on the list for us all to maybe buy it for Saturday night multiplayer shenanigans.
For our circle of gamers none of us are buying Battlefront 2, whereas without the pay-to-win shit it would have definitely been on the list for us all to maybe buy it for Saturday night multiplayer shenanigans.
You really do have an interesting view of the world...
Is the irony of this entirely lost on you?
ZOMG Spoiler! Click here to view!
Hearthy being ironic.... is that possible?
It's completely irrelevant whether it's pay-to-win or not.
Loot-boxes are exploitative. They damage the game that they are in.
I'd prefer if it was pay-to-win. Like you could totally buy the best gun for *two pounds*, and you selected it from a list, paid your money and boom, you got it. That, at least, is a fair method in that there is a clear price tag. It sucks if you can't afford it, but you know how much it is going to cost upfront.
With loot-boxes, that amount is random and hidden.
Loot-boxes are exploitative. They damage the game that they are in.
I'd prefer if it was pay-to-win. Like you could totally buy the best gun for *two pounds*, and you selected it from a list, paid your money and boom, you got it. That, at least, is a fair method in that there is a clear price tag. It sucks if you can't afford it, but you know how much it is going to cost upfront.
With loot-boxes, that amount is random and hidden.
Ars Technica are not complimentary.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/11/ ... s-economy/
They do think it's pay to win, and they've played it more than me, so I'll have to agree with them (and Hearthly) for more.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017/11/ ... s-economy/
They do think it's pay to win, and they've played it more than me, so I'll have to agree with them (and Hearthly) for more.
Wow. What a colossal pile of bollocks that is. I'm not touching this.
Call of Duty WW2 has something similar.
Lonewolves wrote:
Call of Duty WW2 has something similar.
You can play as Vader?
People spaff themselves stupid over Star Wars, losing any sense of criticism they would have for any other franchise so maybe EA thought they could get away with this.
Lonewolves wrote:
Call of Duty WW2 has something similar.
Yeah it's care packages that have shit in, you do daily/weekly objectives to get more. although it seems you unlock stuff by levelling as usual though. The stuff in the loot boxes just seem like stuff you'll unlock anyway. I may be wrong though.
nickachu wrote:
Lonewolves wrote:
Call of Duty WW2 has something similar.
Yeah it's care packages that have shit in, you do daily/weekly objectives to get more. although it seems you unlock stuff by levelling as usual though. The stuff in the loot boxes just seem like stuff you'll unlock anyway. I may be wrong though.
That sounds about right. Apart from the fact you can also earn points by watching other people open loot crates and then get them yourself? Should be called an envy score or something.
Grim... wrote:
They do think it's pay to win, and they've played it more than me, so I'll have to agree with them (and Hearthly) for more.
I've been keeping a close eye on this game for a while, and it was obvious from the beta reviews that it was pay to win, and that unless EA completely ripped the whole thing to pieces and started again, it would remain pay to win for the retail release.
Of course unlock trees and weapons and gadgets and all that stuff are nothing new, but whereas in the Battlefield games for example (including the most recent releases in the franchise BF4 and (the annoyingly titled) BF1), every class gets a decent starter gun that you can get to be exactly how you want it within a few hours of play with transparent and linear (nothing random) unlock progression, wherase Battlefront 2 really does gate genuinely 'better stuff' behind a terrible random grind or a (potentially substantial) random monetary shortcut.
I documented in the BF4 thread how I was very much behind the curve due to the game's release issues and not really 'feeling' it for the game overall so wasn't playing it much, but finally decided to make a push to get into the game, and it took me just a single evening playing as Assault to get my solider pretty much exactly where I wanted him to be - and ready to join my chums as a totally loaded out Assault class player. Yes there was tons of stuff still to unlock but it was 'preference' stuff rather than 'mathematically better' as Battlefront 2 serves up, for cold hard cash.
This crap needs to be called out, because it's arguably the start of the death of videogaming as we know it.
Nice article: http://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/feat ... rs-w511655
FIFA’s Ultimate Team loot box generates $800 million a year! Cripes.
FIFA’s Ultimate Team loot box generates $800 million a year! Cripes.
That Ars Tec article does make it sound rather irritating.
Grim..., are you and the Grimlet enjoying it?
Grim..., are you and the Grimlet enjoying it?
He thinks it's amazing.
I've not played it.
I've not played it.
Grim... wrote:
He thinks it's amazing.
I've not played it.
I've not played it.
Better make sure he doesn’t get your credit card number.
Interesting idea on Twitter from an old Internet pal of mine: we all know Disney are pretty hair-trigger about damage to their image. How many "the new Star Wars game is an exploitative gambling shitshow aimed at your kids" headlines does it take before they get reeeaaalllyyy angry with EA?