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Have they really got no-one better than these three muppets to put forward?


Oi! Stop insulting Muppets. They are creatures of joy, unlike these grey-faced creatures of spite.

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There was an interview with Mhairi Black a while back wherein she seemed to speak well of Jacob Rees-Mogg which--given the gulf between their politics on paper--fills me with some hope he'd be more reasonable than most. God knows he's a better candidate than fucking BoJo just by dint of not being fucking BoJo. If he ends up in charge of the country and I think we'll just need to admit that it's time to shut the place down and turn off the lights.


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There was an interview with Mhairi Black a while back wherein she seemed to speak well of Jacob Rees-Mogg which--given the gulf between their politics on paper--fills me with some hope he'd be more reasonable than most. God knows he's a better candidate than fucking BoJo just by dint of not being fucking BoJo. If he ends up in charge of the country and I think we'll just need to admit that it's time to shut the place down and turn off the lights.



I am not sure which is worse, With JRM you know exactly what he stands for, and you could pretty well imagine he'd stick to his guns on those principles, even if you happen to vehemently disagree with them, and think that he is quite an odious character. With BoJo though, I get the feeling that he would pretty much do anything to further his career, some of which might be alright, but other stuff not so much.

I think that's quite the tough call.

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It's weird because he comes across as just about the worst of all of them. Maybe Philip Davies just about edges him out, but it's close.

JRM is basically Bertie Wooster without the charm. He's openly anti-gay, says that the laws of Catholicism are more important than the laws of the UK, and whenever I see him speak I have never come across anyone more detached from the reality that most people face in my life, always banging on about how he thinks all families should hire a nanny and keep them in their families for generations, and so on and so forth.

He's the pinnacle of mediocrity + money + privilege = success.

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Well known leftie agitator* Matthew d'Ancona rips the Tories a new one.

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Pity a party that has the likes of Ruth Davidson, Amber Rudd and Matt Hancock in its ranks and yet is taking seriously the idea of Jacob Rees-Mogg as May’s prospective successor. What would once have been an amiable joke is now a measure of the Conservatives’ drift into an orbit of their own creation, the radio signal from Earth growing weaker by the day.

Yes, it really is that bad. To be absolutely sure that Labour forms the next government, all the Tories have to do is carry on as they are.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ker-brexit

* He is chairman of the liberal Conservative think tank, Bright Blue, and is a former Deputy Editor of The Sunday Telegraph.


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Could be worse; could be Corbyn.

Bless his little red cotton socks, says I. Imagine if someone even remotely electable was in charge; we'd have a Labour government! /shudder
Fortunately for all concerned, though, common sense hasn't prevailed.

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I have tears of laughter rolling down my cheeks - if we ever meet, Findus, the beers are on me all night long.

Absolutely piss-your-pants hilarious, BRAVO! :DD :DD :DD

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I missed off "out of control wildfires covering hundreds of square miles". Also: the US has had almost half of this happen in the last two weeks alone.


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In the meantime, Tory pinup and pantomime toff Jacob Rees-Mogg has come out that he is against abortion in any and all forms, believes that the second of conception is when a fully formed human being exists (I look forward to his call for full police investigations into all miscarriages), and is completely against gay marriage, Muslim marriage, civil marriage ceremonies, Hindu marriage, divorce, remarriage, and any form of marriage that is not explicitly Catholic.

He's a fucking twat.

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In the meantime, Tory pinup and pantomime toff Jacob Rees-Mogg has come out that he is against abortion in any and all forms, believes that the second of conception is when a fully formed human being exists (I look forward to his call for full police investigations into all miscarriages), and is completely against gay marriage, Muslim marriage, civil marriage ceremonies, Hindu marriage, divorce, remarriage, and any form of marriage that is not explicitly Catholic.

He's a fucking twat.


:this: and I'm surprised anyone could think otherwise.


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I think it's brilliant. It's like they're trying to decide which would be the best pair of concrete boots to wear as they jump off the fucking pier.


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Much like trump, it's a case of those expressing shock at Rees-Mogg's opinions apparently never having read anything he's ever said or written.

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Much like trump, it's a case of those expressing shock at Rees-Mogg's opinions apparently never having read anything he's ever said or written.


I'm not in shock at his opinions, which have always been shit, but at the sudden rush to lionise him as some kind of populist hero and leader.

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In the meantime, Tory pinup and pantomime toff Jacob Rees-Mogg has come out that he is ... completely against gay marriage, Muslim marriage, civil marriage ceremonies, Hindu marriage, divorce, remarriage, and any form of marriage that is not explicitly Catholic.


Just as well he's doing not that strange form of serial bigamy then.


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Am I missing something here?
I don't get where all this sudden "JRM is the anointed saviour of the Toreee Party" and supposed "pinup" stuff is coming from; I must've missed the memo, eh. ;)

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I think they're just so far out of touch that they honestly think that most people will find that sort of shtick endearing somehow. Same as with fucking Boris. They think that because he was on HIGNFY that time and there's that funny picture of him on a zip wire that the plebs will love him. But then again I didn't think the fucking plebs would be stupid enough to vote for Brexit so what the fuck do I know?


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In an ironic twist of fate, she really does have swivel-eyes. :DD

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Am I missing something here?
I don't get where all this sudden "JRM is the anointed saviour of the Toreee Party" and supposed "pinup" stuff is coming from; I must've missed the memo, eh. ;)

http://news.sky.com/story/jacob-rees-mo ... r-11021547


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Most of these 'who should be the next leader' polls are basically testing who the general public have heard of, rather than who's rising through the Tory ranks.


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Someone just put Ken Clarke in charge for a bit so I can at least calm down slightly.

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I think they're just so far out of touch that they honestly think that most people will find that sort of shtick endearing somehow. Same as with fucking Boris. They think that because he was on HIGFY that time and there's that funny picture of him on a zip wire that the plebs will love him. But then again I didn't think the fucking plebs would be stupid enough to vote for Brexit so what the fuck do I know?


I didn't think "the plebs" would be stupid enough to vote for a demonstrably utterly failed 1960s Socialist dogma-driven relic from that less-than-glorious political era which saw the decline of the UK, either, and in such numbers so as to secure a hamstrung, useless hung parliament at the very moment in our history when that is precisely the last thing that we need. But, (a) people are generally thick; (b) have very short memories; and above all (c) somehow believe that just because the Tories are crap - and they are - there's somehow a finite limit in "crapness" whereby any alternative [Trump, Corbyn etc.] must somehow be an improvement by default, as according to some natural laws of nature or something. You know, the whole "I just fancied a change"/"anything's got to be better than this" brigade. [Protip: there isn't such a law of nature, even at all, and they're most certainly not an improvement. See also Brexit for that matter; the EU is crap and corrupt, but the alternative that we've now voted for is far worse again. When will people ever learn? Probably never :( ]

Can we all just meet halfway and put Vince Cable in charge of the Country? :)

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Am I missing something here?
I don't get where all this sudden "JRM is the anointed saviour of the Toreee Party" and supposed "pinup" stuff is coming from; I must've missed the memo, eh. ;)

http://news.sky.com/story/jacob-rees-mo ... r-11021547


A poll of 1300 "grassroots" members and a derisory 23% share of said (Sky News) poll does not a summer make, I'd say.
You mischievous lefty types, huh. :D

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The Guardian is reporting that the government will drop their pledge to shrink the Commons to 600. This is good, because the plans did not include a proportionate reduction in the payroll vote meaning that scrutiny would have been reduced as the balance of backbenchers vis-à-vis government would shift even more to the latter's favour.


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Proposal: Those espousing even the slightest positive opinion of Jacob Rees-Mogg be referred to as Mogglodytes.

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Proposal: Those espousing even the slightest positive opinion of Jacob Rees-Mogg be referred to as Mogglodytes.


Seconded.

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They think that because he was on HIGNFY that time and there's that funny picture of him on a zip wire that the plebs will love him.


How do you think he ended up as mayor of London?


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This is good news, it means that exports will definitely now rocket to a 168 year high.


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Jem wrote:
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/pound-slumps-168-year-low/12/10/

And this is against a dollar that is, itself, hugely depressed by Trump's presidency: http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/03/investi ... index.html

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I don't want to come over (all) Cavey, but sterling is trading at $1.32, which is near a 52 week high. In that regard the article couldn't be more wrong.

Edit: Indeed, the article is 11 months old and predates the trump dump.


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To be fair, that article is 11 months old.


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That article is 11 months old, though.

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Btw, how do you like the new sig, guys? :)

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Ahh apologies, someone thrust it at me as new this morning and I didn't check it before sharing it for the more intelligent folk to dissect. :DD

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http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/longfo ... e-revenge/

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Osborne seems to reserve his choicest weapons for Theresa May, the beleaguered prime minister. On his first day as editor, the front page of the Standard announced "Brussels twists knife on Brexit [as] EU chief mocks PM May with her own 'Strong and Stable' leadership slogan". The attacks on May have become only more intense since then. (One clinical sentence in a Standard editorial from 21 June simply read: "Enough of this nonsense.") Osborne's animus against May is complicated in origin — personal, political, ideological, tactical — but purely felt. When I met him at the Standard this past spring, he was polite enough about the prime minister. But according to one staffer at the newspaper, Osborne has told more than one person that he will not rest until she "is chopped up in bags in my freezer".


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Yes, he's really quite the simmering ball of resentment and jealousy, huh.

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Theresa May should take up the editorship of the 'Metro' in response. It'd be quite fun see their quarrels and name-calling spread out on the seats of the Underground every day.


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Do the Government have any concerns about the breeding of those Members of your Lordships’ House who wear dog collars?

Lord Gardiner of Kimble:

I hope that the right reverend Prelate knows very well that I am very fond of dogs. I have very good relations with many right reverend Prelates and work very closely with the rural Bishops on many issues concerning the countryside.


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Ken Clarke was superb on R4 this morning. It's a complete contrast to when Labour throw up someone from their front bench. The one last week was terrible, when questioned about Unions threatening illegal strikes.

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