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Well, that's an appropriate coincidence. Was just reading about New Orleans removing a statue of Robert E Lee when the 'Gone with the Wind' theme came on the radio.


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Had a conservative drone knock on the door the other night.

Was not in the mood as child number 2 screams 22 hours a day.

After he had finished asking if I was voting for conservatives etc I said I thought May looked a bit odd.

He asked me what I meant and I said I thought she was a robot and that I knew for a fact Thatcher was one and I had evidence in the house I could show him if he wanted to come in.

Around the 2nd time, I said Robot he started moving slowly away from me down the drive, then declined my kind offer of tea and Thatcher robot discussions as he had a lot of other doors to knock on.

Cheered me up for a while and looking forward to other parties knocking on the door :)


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Well, that's an appropriate coincidence. Was just reading about New Orleans removing a statue of Robert E Lee when the 'Gone with the Wind' theme came on the radio.



Oooo.. the mayor of New Orleans has made an excellent speech on this (Vox transcript at end):

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These statues are not just stone and metal. They are not just innocent remembrances of a benign history. These monuments purposefully celebrate a fictional, sanitized Confederacy; ignoring the death, ignoring the enslavement, and the terror that it actually stood for.

After the Civil War, these statues were a part of that terrorism as much as a burning cross on someone’s lawn; they were erected purposefully to send a strong message to all who walked in their shadows about who was still in charge in this city.
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Instead of revering a 4-year brief historical aberration that was called the Confederacy we can celebrate all 300 years of our rich, diverse history as a place named New Orleans and set the tone for the next 300 years.
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The Confederacy was on the wrong side of history and humanity. It sought to tear apart our nation and subjugate our fellow Americans to slavery. This is the history we should never forget and one that we should never again put on a pedestal to be revered.


Might listen to it later.


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Barack Obama's just doing this to annoy Mr Trump, isn't he?

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Well at least the economy is holding up fine and that's the main thi..., oh:

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I've just voted. POSTALLY.

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I did it at some point last week.

Lets hope nothing happens that'll cause me to want to change my mind, eh?


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Mr Trump wrote:
"We don't want other leaders and other countries laughing at us anymore - and they won't be."


I'm pretty sure North Korea has a similar approach to international diplomacy.


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I never thought I would see the day when the president of a country I have always loved and respected* insults an elected mayor when his city has just suffered a horrific attack.

And we're giving this ghastly man a state visit.

*the country, for avoidance of doubt.


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But then I bet you never thought that the American people would elect such a complete balm pot to the presidency either.


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Dianne Abbott is taking an indefinite break as she is useless/unwell - delete as applicable.

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Probably for the best. TBH watching some of her recent performances I have wondered if there's more going on than her simply not being very good.


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I couldn't watch them for long at all. Far too cringe inducing.


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I fucking hate Nicky Morgan. However, she is better than Diane Abbott whom i also hate.

Do you hate any male politicians? ;)


Recent goings on made me think of this. And MrsA asked me the same question the other day, too. And i remembered i never totally git back to you.

Yes. Many. Mainly Tory ones, some Labour , most Liberal democrats. The targets of my annoyance are generally those that have been on R4 that morning. They should put Thought for the day on at 0825. That'd cool my jets.

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Yes. Many. Mainly Tory ones, some Labour , most Liberal democrats. The targets of my annoyance are generally those that have been on R4 that morning. They should put Thought for the day on at 0825. That'd cool my jets.


Ever switch over to the Third?


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Yes. Many. Mainly Tory ones, some Labour , most Liberal democrats. The targets of my annoyance are generally those that have been on R4 that morning. They should put Thought for the day on at 0825. That'd cool my jets.


Ever switch over to the Third?


No. R4 is my main source of news that isn't cycling at present.

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... SApp_Other

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Donald Trump has told Theresa May in a phone call he does not want to go ahead with a state visit to Britain until the British public supports him coming.

The US president said he did not want to come if there were large-scale protests and his remarks in effect put the visit on hold for some time.

The call was made in recent weeks, according to a Downing Street adviser who was in the room. The statement surprised May, according to those present.

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Donald Trump has told Theresa May in a phone call he does not want to go ahead with a state visit to Britain until the British public supports him coming.


We'd love him to come. Thousands of people will go to London just to greet him. He'll get the biggest crowds, the best crowds. In these troubled times, we need someone who can unify our nation. A visit from Mr Trump would do just that.


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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/11/donald-trump-state-visit-to-britain-put-on-hold?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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Donald Trump has told Theresa May in a phone call he does not want to go ahead with a state visit to Britain until the British public supports him coming.

The US president said he did not want to come if there were large-scale protests and his remarks in effect put the visit on hold for some time.

The call was made in recent weeks, according to a Downing Street adviser who was in the room. The statement surprised May, according to those present.

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The fuck am I meant to do with all these piss balloons now?


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The fuck am I meant to do with all these piss balloons now?

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The interesting thing about the denials are how non-committal they are:

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A Downing Street spokesman said: "We aren't going to comment on speculation about the contents of private phone conversations.

"The Queen extended an invitation to President Trump to visit the UK and there is no change to those plans."


Sounds to me like something's been thrown into the long grass.


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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40248366

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Describing it as a 'sharp drop' seems like something of an exercise in understatement....

'Fallen off the edge of a fucking cliff' would be better, I think.


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Rather than pull human rights, might be better to push building regulations.

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Rather than pull human rights, might be better to push building regulations.

Or better checks.

I won't mention who it was who told me this because it was a private conversation, but their next-door neighbour had a loft conversion, and to get in you had to squeeze through a fire door in a corridor so narrow it couldn't even open properly.

It was purely there to keep the regs man happy, and was going to be removed as soon as the checks were done.

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Rather than pull human rights, might be better to push building regulations.

Tories voted against it. Funnily enough most of those were landlords themselves.

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Rather than pull human rights, might be better to push building regulations.

Tories voted against it. Funnily enough most of those were landlords themselves.

If you're talking about Fitness for Habitation, that wouldn't have mattered here*.

* If the speculation about the cause is correct

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It has to be the cladding doesn't it? The fire spread around the outside of the building.


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It has to be the cladding doesn't it? The fire spread around the outside of the building.

It looks likely and seems to make sense, but there's no official word yet.

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A Tory outrage.

2009 - Lakanal House tower block catches fire killing 6 people. The local authority is prosecuted for lapses in fire safety. A review is promised by the Labour government after pressure from the Fire Protection Association (FPA).

2010 - Building Regulations Act is published, including provisions for fire safety. Conservatives win election, a review is promised by the new government after more pressure from the FPA and warnings that the BR act does not go far enough.

2013 - Boris Johnson overrules the ruling body of the London Fire Brigade and uses legal action to inflict £29m in cuts. Closing 10 fire stations, cutting firefighters by 552, losing 14 fire engines and cutting minimum staffing levels from 5 to 4. By the time he steps down as Mayor of London he inflicts a further £100m in cuts to £130m total and the loss of 7000 firefighters. Fire prevention measures carried out by the service drop by over 25%.

2013 - All Party Parliamentary Group on Fire Safety and Rescue produces a report strongly recommending installation of fire suppression systems and sprinklers in 4000 tower blocks throughout Britain. The Grenfell residents action group publishes a report warning that their landlord is putting their safety at risk by restricting the access ways to their car park. They are ignored by their landlord.

2013 - 2016 Conservative housing ministers sit on All Party report without action, promising they are "looking at it", including housing minister Gavin Barwell.

2016 - Conservatives vote against a Labour motion to make sure all landlords and housing associations ensure residences are fit for human occupation, including provisions for fire safety. The motion is denied by 312 votes to 219. 72 of the MP's voting against are landlords. The Grenfell residents action group publish a report warning people will die in a fire before the landlord takes notice of their poor fire safety provisions. They are ignored by their landlord.

2017 - Ex housing minister Gavin Barwell becomes Prime Minister Theresa May's chief of staff. He never actions the All Party Parliamentary report recommendations. Grenfell Tower is reduced to rubble with the deaths of at least 12 residents as a fire spreads through the building in 4 minutes. It has no fire suppression system or sprinklers. The stairwell is not adequate for a full building evacuation. The emergency lighting is missing from half of the floors. The fire service struggle to reach the building due to previous car park modifications causing access issues as warned by the resident action group in 2013.

This post will be updated as more facts become apparent. These people were ignored because they were poor, and now they are dead. We all need to add our voices to theirs.


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From the BBC

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A 2012 report by the British Automatic Fire Sprinkler Association (BAFSA) concluded that fire sprinklers could be retrofitted with tenants in place at a cost of about £1,150 a flat. Since the 24-storey Grenfell Tower contained 120 flats, it works out at £138,000. Significantly less than the £2.6m spent on the cladding and replacement windows which were largely done for cosmetic reasons.


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This whole event seems quite surreal in places

We have Corbyn meeting and talking to the survivors (even offering a shoulder to them) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... ell-tower/
May goes , but does not meet any of the survivors because of 'security concerns' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40300369

And then just to show how true that is you get the Queen turning up : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40298473


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The horrific fire and its aftermath probably deserves its own thread. I've found it really distressing to watch the news these two days. Horrific.

As for the visits: yes, Mrs May should have just visited and listened to the residents' anger. Sadiq Khan took it as well as political leader would have done in that circumstance, I thought.


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The horrific fire and its aftermath probably deserves its own thread. I've found it really distressing to watch the news these two days. Horrific.
The whole thing is just heartbreaking, what those people must have gone through in their final desperate minutes is unimaginable.


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I think the Queen did that deliberately, Kern - May has not endeared herself to Brenda recently apparently.

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I think the Queen did that deliberately, Kern - May has not endeared herself to Beenda recently apparently.


I think most people blame the Conservatives for elements of this tragedy, some sort of corner\cost cutting will doubtless be found to be a key issue, so guess May was worried that somebody might attack her.

Corbyn is the working class (and a lot of other classes hero) and pretty much everyone likes the Queen.


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