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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:16 
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Because they live in areas that suffered the brunt of Thatcherism and they read The Sun and The Daily Mail.


Yeah, cause Thatcher took us out of Europe. Oh no.
Really not in a good mood for this puerile shite.

Not directly no, but in part it stems from what she did to the working class and mining communities etc. This vote shows that we've betrayed them so badly.

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I'm really not in the mood for this so probably best I avoid saying something in anger I might later regret.

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I'm really not in the mood for this so probably best I avoid saying something in anger I might later regret.


Why stop now loud mouth? why not continue just slagging off every one that doesn't agree with you, regardless of how they may feel?

You managed to deeply insult me many pages ago and you've not improved at all since. You're just getting worse.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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What the fuck are you dribbling on about?

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Let's not get personal here, people (all people).

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Let's not get personal here, people (all people).

Well the truce lasted longer than I thought it would. :D

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What the fuck are you dribbling on about?


Your disgusting and aggressive attitude to any one that may not agree with you completely.

Which you've done for the best part of a decade. Don't tell me, long post about how you went from rags to riches and how hard you are coming up?

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Let's not get personal here, people (all people).


I genuinely haven't the first clue what he's talking about?

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Lol. Errrrrr okay.

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I genuinely haven't the first clue what he's talking about?


No of course you don't because it's all about you and how you fucking feel. So far you've called me a prick, a racist and whatever other fucking nonsense you could muster up.

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Ok, it is an emotional time for all at the moment, let's try not turning on each other right now. We could all do with a bit of support.

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EH???

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Ok, it is an emotional time for all at the moment, let's try not turning on each other right now. We could all do with a bit of support.


What I would like to see is some actual understanding of the concept that there are people out there far worse off than all of those disgusted that we've left the EU. People being fucked for doing nothing wrong at all.

I'm so glad that because of our wonderful Torie govt I actually couldn't vote. Because if I had done then I would feel even more isolated than I do now.

I woke up bright and early on the 23rd. All ready to vote out. I walked to my nearest Polling station all ready to vote out but it seems somewhere they fucked up and I wasn't allowed to cast my vote there I had to go to one 3.5 miles away.

So neither Mrs JC or I could vote.

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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I posted this before but I broadly agree with this analysis
http://www.perc.org.uk/project_posts/th ... of-brexit/

Thatcherism & New Labour's failure to mend the harm it caused are a major explanation for why many people, especially in the North, voted Leave.


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I posted this before but I broadly agree with this analysis
http://www.perc.org.uk/project_posts/th ... of-brexit/

Thatcherism & New Labour's failure to mend the harm it caused are a major explanation for why many people, especially in the North, voted Leave.


I'm telling you it's absolutely the people getting fucked that have voted us out. Why are they blaming foreigners/people with different coloured skin? because the reality that their own government could fuck them this badly and really not give a fuck is far too hard to comprehend. They actually think it's the fault of the Polish/Muslims etc.

So instead we get the demonising of people and races and creeds.

I will type up a post soon because tbh I can't go on like this. Fucking hiding from every forum I frequent and being torn to pieces by people with no sense of reality at all.

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I posted this before but I broadly agree with this analysis
http://www.perc.org.uk/project_posts/th ... of-brexit/

Thatcherism & New Labour's failure to mend the harm it caused are a major explanation for why many people, especially in the North, voted Leave.


I'm telling you it's absolutely the people getting fucked that have voted us out. Why are they blaming foreigners/people with different coloured skin? because the reality that their own government could fuck them this badly and really not give a fuck is far too hard to comprehend. They actually think it's the fault of the Polish/Muslims etc.

So instead we get the demonising of people and races and creeds.

I will type up a post soon because tbh I can't go on like this. Fucking hiding from every forum I frequent and being torn to pieces by people with no sense of reality at all.


Wait, you think that this is a good thing that races and creeds are demonised? Surely if you recognise that this is bad and that it is the government at fault, you'd vote remain rather than ally with the far right and get a more right wing government hellbent on increasing austerity and further screwing over the poor?

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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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Plus the feeble TV media, and vicious Murdoch press + Daily Mail have been waging a propaganda campaign against the EU and immigrants for decades. It's a seductive scapegoat.


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 Post subject: Re: Taking the Brexit
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But what is it I have supposedly done to you?

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JohnCoffey wrote:
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I posted this before but I broadly agree with this analysis
http://www.perc.org.uk/project_posts/th ... of-brexit/

Thatcherism & New Labour's failure to mend the harm it caused are a major explanation for why many people, especially in the North, voted Leave.


I'm telling you it's absolutely the people getting fucked that have voted us out. Why are they blaming foreigners/people with different coloured skin? because the reality that their own government could fuck them this badly and really not give a fuck is far too hard to comprehend. They actually think it's the fault of the Polish/Muslims etc.

So instead we get the demonising of people and races and creeds.

I will type up a post soon because tbh I can't go on like this. Fucking hiding from every forum I frequent and being torn to pieces by people with no sense of reality at all.


I'm pretty sure most people in this thread completely agree with you. People voting out have for the most part been lied to and screwed over, and have deeply misplaced anger that they've used to register a protest vote.

However, you'd have to agree I hope that an out vote in that context is foolish. All that will be achieved by it is an increase in racial tensions, a worsening economy, and those very fucked over people getting yet more fucked over.

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But what is it I have supposedly done to you?



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I think he might have taken criticism of Leave voters personally.

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Lol.
Yeah, I must have an alter ego or something.

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Lol.
Yeah, I must have an alter ego or something.

No mate, there's only room for one of your egos. :luv: :kiss:

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Very true! Soz :facepalm:
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Corbyn baffled by all these incompetency resignations

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Got a screenshot for non-subs?

No, I hadn't actually read it yet, just saw the headline on Twitter: "Police confirm hate crime is on the rise in the UK since the vote for Brexit."

First comment is: "you do realise most of this is false flag - a lot of remainers are actually doing this to try and justify their narrative"

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I posted this before but I broadly agree with this analysis
http://www.perc.org.uk/project_posts/th ... of-brexit/

Thatcherism & New Labour's failure to mend the harm it caused are a major explanation for why many people, especially in the North, voted Leave.


I'm telling you it's absolutely the people getting fucked that have voted us out. Why are they blaming foreigners/people with different coloured skin? because the reality that their own government could fuck them this badly and really not give a fuck is far too hard to comprehend. They actually think it's the fault of the Polish/Muslims etc.

So instead we get the demonising of people and races and creeds.

I will type up a post soon because tbh I can't go on like this. Fucking hiding from every forum I frequent and being torn to pieces by people with no sense of reality at all.


Wait, you think that this is a good thing that races and creeds are demonised? Surely if you recognise that this is bad and that it is the government at fault, you'd vote remain rather than ally with the far right and get a more right wing government hellbent on increasing austerity and further screwing over the poor?

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Wait, you think that this is a good thing that races and creeds are demonised? Surely if you recognise that this is bad and that it is the government at fault, you'd vote remain rather than ally with the far right and get a more right wing government hellbent on increasing austerity and further screwing over the poor?


What can I do? vote? yeah right lmao. That will make all the difference, like.

The UK fucking loves to demonise people. We just fucking love hating some one. Right through the papers and onto the TV screens. Load up 5OD or whatever the fuck they call it now and have a look at what the majority of their documentaries are. They're about the poor, people on benefits and so on. However, due to the fact that watching some poor cunt in a real jam doesn't make good TV they instead pick all of the foul mouthed lazy cunts and demonise them to the people watching. They also have shows on ASBO and god knows what else.

This is going to be quite a long post and the reason for that is that I usually stay far away from anything to do with politics because to me it's all just fail. No matter how I vote some cunt is going to fuck me over. I've never known a politician who I actually liked and would want to share a room with for more than ten seconds. They're putrid things, vile and disgusting to me. And that includes all of them, even the ones who wanted to vote out. They only fucking did that for more control, more power. I would bet that deep down some of them didn't even want to come out as it would screw them over but getting to the top means taking a loss sometimes.

OK, so now that I've covered that and the reason why I never involve myself in politics let me explain why I would have voted out. I know full well that people are going to come back at me and say "but that was no reason to vote out !" but trust me, when you are backed into a corner and things feel like they really couldn't get any worse you resign yourself to not caring. I would imagine this feeling of self deflation comes from having the shit end of a stick in your hand.

Honestly I could turn this shit into a book, so I will try and be brief talking about key points in my life.

Childhood. OK so after many heart wrenching conversations with my mother I found out that I wasn't right even before my dad died. She remembers clear key points in my childhood before the age of 7 where I displayed some incredibly odd behaviour.

One of the most prevalent things was rocking. Be it rocking in a chair (my dad made me one due to how obsessed I was) to rocking on a rocking horse (four corner spring type) and so on. All to music. If I was taken off/told to stop I would scream and cry.

One of the toughest things in my life is trying to understand if I was like this before my father died or after. After speaking with my entire family I now understand that it wasn't something like PTSD it was Aspergers and Bipolar disorder, that started in my early teens.

At school they didn't care. When I started to exhibit signs of Autism or Bipolar disorder (refusing to work with other kids, saying rude and inappropriate things at the top of my voice and loud outbursts) they would simply send me home. At no point did they think that something else could be causing this. They simply didn't care. It got to the point where I was about 15 or so where I would walk into a class, yell something rude like "CUNTOX !" and immediately be sent home. I knew it would work, it was a way for me to hide and get away from everything. At the time our school were offering after school tutoring to immigrants. I didn't care of course, but sometimes when I'm having a bad day I think about my life and how I was failed by some of the key people in my life. I am angry about some of the things that happened, but it can't be changed now. My mother did take me to a private psychiatrist but I threw a paper weight at his window breaking it and stormed out.

My teen years were mostly me self medicating with drugs desperately trying to stop the way my brain was working and how I was feeling. Of course that just made it all worse.

OK, so I am sick. We know that, I've never hidden that from anybody.

I did a big test in my 20s, leaving England just to see if it was my surroundings or the aggressive nature of the people I lived in and around (Ex council but a very rough area). Any way, that all went tits up and I fucked all that up so that answered that question for me.

Before I left the USA I was sick. Hallucinations, delusions, paranoia. The guy who was letting me stay with him until I had sold off all of my belongings and assets went out to work at 4am. I would stay up all night until he left, lock all of the doors and shut the curtains.

I came home looking for help. None of my family are on or have ever been on benefits. They are all hard working prime examples of a good citizen.

It's been absolutely fucking horrible if I'm being honest. All they seem to want to do is stuff me full of drugs and sedate me because there is no funding in place to actually try anything else. And I'm really fucking angry about that.

As with all benefits they give you just about enough so that you can survive on eating shit food that makes you fat and spotty. That's what I lived on for the first few years.

Now? well finally we (my wife and I, Mrs JC has also been diagnosed with Aspergers and Bipolar 1, meaning her bouts of depression are far more severe than ours.

So yeah, we scrimp and we scrape to survive. Both of us are very similar and have basically trashed our lives with our large mouths and aggression but left alone we are actually quite calm.

Any way so yeah, for a couple of years I was desperate to try and improve my quality of life. I asked for CBT but so far I have not even had that (the basic tool used to help many with mental illness) because the cuts in my area mean that basically it just isn't an option. Apparently mental health care and services are far better in areas like London and I would imagine this is why London was yellow as opposed to blue in the "in or out" and many towns dotted around the seaside counties were nearly black (dark blue).

OK, so over the past few years I have had many psychiatrists. All of them apart from one was a locum, and each of them has been little help to me whatsoever apart from the fact that they can write prescriptions. I've been refused certain apparently amazing treatments because the govt won't pay for them. I've been refused a social worker and had to kick up one hell of a stink just to get one because lately I am not coping. Not bathing, not showering, not cutting my hair, not going out, etc. I am really, really sick. That's why I hardly post anything.

And all the time it's getting worse. At one point they actually had the funds for a proper psychiatrist and he (for three years) was like a father to me. Sadly he has retired, and they don't seem to want to replace him. I wonder why? because they don't have the funds.

When Mrs JC and I married we lost 30% of the benefits we were receiving because we were married. However, unlike the people you see demonised on the TV we did not want to live lying about our status and claiming two flats etc like some of the people shown on the TV do. You constantly see programmes on the TV about women with kids hanging off of them but there's no father in sight.

So as you can imagine, Mrs JC and I are a little upset at the world right now. And then, just as our misery really couldn't get any worse we have that big thing about the PIP in the news recently.

You remember? the disability payment that people with severe disabilities like Mrs JC and I have were being struck off and kicked off of this benefit completely leaving them unable to afford to survive.

I posted a while ago about a "friend" of mine. Actually that wasn't a friend I was too scared to admit that it was actually Mrs JC. They cut her fucking PIP by £230 a month, leaving us struggling. So even after some cunt had resigned and we were promised that the cuts would not go ahead they have. They 100% have, they just managed to sweep it under the carpet.

Add to that a flat that costs far more than we are actually allowed (a dump 1 bed flat) that we have to pay £60 a month out of our PIP for because we simply could not find a single flat in the area for what the allowance covers and we're even more upset. In fact, upset is putting it mildly, we're fucking furious.

And to compound things even further I too now have the dreaded brown envelope of doom ! yup, even though I was given the higher rate of PIP due to me being terrified to even leave the house alone they are now reassessing me TWO YEARS before my award date (you are awarded it in year chunks, I got five, two of those remain). If they find that my situation has changed at all they will stop it completely. Then Mrs JC and I will probably end up homeless, as there are no hospitals in our area for people like us.

Hilariously just to test the water Mrs JC took the photocopies of her last PIP forms and copied them almost verbatim. They stopped £230 a month of her £400. Deeming that her circumstances had changed. Like fuck, they're just making these benefits impossible to get unless you have no arms no legs and no fucking arse.

It's the Tories doing this !

So right now I am under an incredible amount of stress. The last time we moved it took three months to find something we could afford that would accept people on benefits. Because most of them are stuck up snot nosed cunts who won't allow riff raff like Mrs JC and I to live in their properties because we've been demonised to the point we are being discriminated against. We're about to lose our flat and just as another kick in the guts the Tories will probably deem me less disabled than I was before and cut my allowance too.


And all of this is going on and guess what? we are the silent parties. Most of the time Mrs JC is too embarrassed to even speak of the fact she is on benefits and fucking hates it and herself for it. Yet set loose into society she screwed up her life and ended up bankrupt.

OK, so if you've come this far you can probably understand that right now we are "a little disgruntled". That's putting it fucking mildly. We've also been told by housing (and they probably shouldn't have told us this but they are upset also) that the reason we can not have a permanent housing association property is because of the enormous influx of immigrants in our area. I live in a reasonably quiet area and there simply aren't enough houses and flats to go around. Not unless of course we make ourselves homeless and stay on hostels and so on. Then they reckon it would take about two years.

I don't dislike Polish people. I dislike the cunt underneath me because he's a rude ignorant fucking pig and shouts and spits when he "talks" to you but that's for the reasons I have pointed out, not because I hold any racist hatred. If I were racist I would have been stabbed to death many years ago. It's kinda hard growing up in Brixton and being racist in any shape or form would have been pretty difficult.

So, even though it could make things worse why would I want to vote "out"? to teach that smarmy snot nosed fucking cunt who is destroying our lives a lesson. To spite him. And I would have, too. I honestly feel so disillusioned right now it's not even funny. I have no voice, but I was actually given one the other day and I tell you what the temptation to lash out was so fucking great that I actually went out of the house alone which took an enormous amount of guts just to fuck that privileged cunt square up the arse !


That's my reason for voting out. I don't speak for every one, and every one will have their reasons for doing so and I really don't need any one pointing out that I'm stupid or made the wrong decision because I would have voted that way simply because I am being fucked and I don't like it.

So there are probably quite a few intelligent reasonable people out there who had their reasons and their ideas who have voted "no" too, yeah? given that like, "yes" lost the vote.

Before this I had only ever voted once in my entire life. I thought it would make a difference, seems I was wrong. I felt a bit gutted for a day or so then said "Oh well". Sadly the reaction has been far from "Oh well". People are angry and I feel that all of that anger is being aimed at me.

Which sucks. These days we have food banks. Food.Banks. know why? because there are so many homeless people. Also, we've got the Tories sanctioning people on benefits and cutting their money completely. Yup, that awesome amazing £60 a week they were given to live on can be stopped. Exactly what do the Tories think that will achieve? will it bully people into taking the jobs they offer them? cleaning toilets in pubs? or will it simply leave their lives devastated.

People are actually having to queue up and take handouts. Beg, basically.

So yeah, there's two parts of your 52%.

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tl;dr you voted Leave to fuck the Tories, without ever stopping to consider that the Leave campaign was run by Tories.

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Ian Duncan Smith, the man who's spent the last 10 years demolishing disability support in the UK, was running the leave campaign.

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Ian Duncan Smith, the man who's spent the last 10 years demolishing disability support in the UK, was running the leave campaign.

And then afterwards said "we didn't have a plan! It was up to Cameron to have a plan!"

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John, you've basically written a page of reasons why voting for leave would be an utterly terribly choice, for you specifically. And that's why a lot of people are angry at leave voters. Because they've outright voted to harm everyone in the country, and the poor and vulnerable most of all, for reasons that have nothing to do with the EU - and in the most case, for reasons that the EU has helped to make less bad than they would otherwise have been.

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tl;dr you voted Leave to fuck the Tories, without ever stopping to consider that the Leave campaign was run by Tories.

Edit -- including IDS, the man who architected cutting your benefits to the bone.


Yup. That's exactly how it was. No matter what option we choose we would have just got fucked harder any way so why not actually go and vote to put DC out of a job?

It's pretty clear Doc that a fair chunk of the people who voted out had no idea what they were even fucking voting for.

They just did it out of spite, something the UK is great at.

As soon as we went into the recession in 07/08 I knew what was coming. I absolutely knew I would be a fucking target to save this country some money to pack back all of the money that was lost. And quelle surprise ! I was fucking dead right.

So now I basically live my life in fear. I very seldom ever express how I feel because I know what will come. The more scared I get the more pills I am handed.

This country is going the way of the USA and the poor are powerless to stop it. All they can do is get some satisfaction that they lost some cocky smarmy cunt his job.

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John, you've basically written a page of reasons why voting for leave would be an utterly terribly choice, for you specifically. And that's why a lot of people are angry at leave voters. Because they've outright voted to harm everyone in the country, and the poor and vulnerable most of all, for reasons that have nothing to do with the EU - and in the most case, for reasons that the EU has helped to make less bad than they would otherwise have been.



As I said, if you put people into a corner and give them no other option they will lash out. Even if you know things will get worse, even if they can't get any worse.

I'm telling you, that's where your 52% comes from. Obviously the racists and so on are the ones being demonised right now. See? like I say, our country is fucking good at that. Ignore the actual fundamental reason why people reacted in anger and spite and blame it on a bunch of dummity cunts.

Things can't get any worse for me dude. For the past three days I have been shaking and crying because of this PIP assessment and it will leave me dangling and stressed out of my fucking mind for months whilst they decide how hard they want to fuck me.

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Obviously the racists and so on are the ones being demonised right now.

Well... Good?

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This country is going the way of the USA and the poor are powerless to stop it. All they can do is get some satisfaction that they lost some cocky smarmy cunt his job.

Cost him his job that he's so wealthy he doesn't even need and handed it to one of his school chums.

And fucked yourselves and all the rest of us even harder and robbed us and our children of our EU citizenship.

I understand your anger but as protests go that one was really fucking badly thought out.

As for that being the reason most people voted out, it really isn't. Most of that 52% of people aren't in a desperate situation at all. They voted out simply because they were lied to and thought that by doing so they would be better off.


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I'm beginning to think that the massive "success" of getting so many people out to vote due to the importance of the issue may have been no such thing.


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I'm telling you, that's where your 52% comes from. Obviously the racists and so on are the ones being demonised right now. See? like I say, our country is fucking good at that. Ignore the actual fundamental reason why people reacted in anger and spite and blame it on a bunch of dummity cunts.


You're missing the point. It's fairly common knowledge why people voted the way they did. That doesn't stop it being utterly stupid. It's the ultimate in cutting your nose off to spite your face. 52% of the population has gone out there and deliberately voted to make their own lives more difficult. And in the process, for the first time in history, have put the BNP, National Front, Britain first, and all the other racist groups into the majority - giving them a sense of rightness and popular support that they should never be allowed.

A leave vote was a stupid vote. There are absolutely good reasons why the downtrodden would want to 'stick it to the Tories' - but this didn't do that at all. If we come out of the EU the Tories will be stronger than ever because they'll no longer be subject to EU human rights legislation. I'm thrilled for people to register their anger and protest - but if you do so in a way that harms yourself and everyone else, you're an idiot.

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Actually Cras?
Yeah. Referendums. You're right.
Really bad idea.

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Obviously the racists and so on are the ones being demonised right now.

Well... Good?



Well... Yeah dude but they're not the cause of this problem. They are being painted as it, though. They're the ones being quoted and so on. People literally think it's people like that who voted.

I don't see any articles about some poor cunt who lost his job to an immigrant because he knew he could not afford to survive on that amount of money? or didn't want to live in a house unfit for habitation with twenty co workers? or the disabled cunt like me who is being screwed over because the bankers fucked up?

It goes a lot deeper than some bigot twat with no brains. However, as I said it's them being demonised right now (even if they deserve it it's all completely misguided).

Cras - when you hardly have a nose left why would you care?

Once people can actually understand that they might get it. Until then? it'll just go on the way it is. The underclasses of our country slowly being pushed to the bottom of the pile and left to beg at food banks.

A lot of these people are uneducated. They had no idea what they were voting for.

I did. I understood it all perfectly. I knew about the trade deals and all of the other positive things we got from it but still I would have voted in anger. Like I said, either way I am going to get fucked. So are the people with money though, so hey, at least we all pretty much feel the same way right now.

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Leave vs. Remain voters is an awfully convenient zeitgeist to draw attention from the fact that, despite whatever legitimate reasons people had for their vote, Leave has legitimised xenophobia. This is a massive failing in the Leave campaign, and needs to be acknowledged by both sides before it gets worse. Those people need to know that there isn't room for their views in modern, globalised Britain.

Also, I'm not saying anyone here specifically has said this, but the whole "informed voter" thing is starting to irk me. What the hell is an informed vote anyway? I guess that disqualifies everyone apart from experts from voting, eh? So long as people did not cast a vote for xenophobic reasons, I honestly don't condemn anyone for having voted either side — that sort of dichotomy is exactly what makes American politics so fucking horrendous and it saddens me to see that in the UK.

I'm not even saying that people shouldn't be angry at the result, but surely now it's about trying to make progress as a nation rather than finger-pointing? Would be so much better if there was actually decisive leadership at the helm, what a total disaster.

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Sorry JC. I do sympathise with your anger. I've had a bit of a bad start to life, my mother had her disability benefit taken away from her despite the fact she couldn't stand... Many things I've written about here, and many more things I sadly can't, or wouldn't.

But oh my goodness, as much as I can read your pain your choice to leave has screwed everyone. Your friends and neighbours, the younger generations who won't have a chance. It's given justification for racism to the worst people in our society, and the failures that follow will hit those struggling most already the hardest.

As a side-point, my mum's ex-partner is from Brixton. It's full of racists. He is mixed-race and has been on the recieving end of enough of it. Being from a multi-cultural area does not mean that you are not a racist. I'm not saying that you are, I have no comment on that, but it's not s good idea to use the idea that you live near people of different races as proof that you can't be racist.

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Leave vs. Remain voters is an awfully convenient zeitgeist to draw attention from the fact that, despite whatever legitimate reasons people had for their vote, Leave has legitimised xenophobia. This is a massive failing in the Leave campaign, and needs to be acknowledged by both sides before it gets worse. Those people need to know that there isn't room for their views in modern, globalised Britain.

Also, I'm not saying anyone here specifically has said this, but the whole "informed voter" thing is starting to irk me. What the hell is an informed vote anyway? I guess that disqualifies everyone apart from experts from voting, eh? So long as people did not cast a vote for xenophobic reasons, I honestly don't condemn anyone for having voted either side — that sort of dichotomy is exactly what makes American politics so fucking horrendous and it saddens me to see that in the UK.

I'm not even saying that people shouldn't be angry at the result, but surely now it's about trying to make progress as a nation rather than finger-pointing? Would be so much better if there was actually decisive leadership at the helm, what a total disaster.



We were given a choice. One or the other. You had barely any information at all apart from one side saying that it would cause WW3 (Cameron) and the other side saying this reminded him of the Hitler era (Boris).

Obviously it was all incredibly complicated and at no point were we given any clear info, just scare mongering and the usual horse shit that comes from the mouth of politicians.

So it didn't go the way people were expecting it to? of course not. This has to be THE best Epic Fail ever. Cameron was so confident in himself and the rich people he hangs out with who all probably wanted to stay in that he simply didn't understand. How many people out there that had grudges against him and his band of merry men (glares at IDC) and so on.

Will their lives change much? maybe. Maybe they'll lose a few quid as the pound plummets.

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Obviously the racists and so on are the ones being demonised right now.

Well... Good?



Well... Yeah dude but they're not the cause of this problem. They are being painted as it, though. They're the ones being quoted and so on.


Yes they are. Racists are the cause of racist attacks.

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I don't see any articles about some poor cunt who lost his job to an immigrant because he knew he could not afford to survive on that amount of money?


Because it didn't happen. The areas where people most cited immigration as a reason for voting leave are the areas in the country with the least immigration

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or the disabled cunt like me who is being screwed over because the bankers fucked up?


Right. Which is the fault of the bankers and the Governments that let them do it. Neither of which are harmed in any way by a leave vote. Out of Europe it's even easier for them to produce legislation targetting the poor and vulnerable.

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It goes a lot deeper than some bigot twat with no brains. However, as I said it's them being demonised right now (even if they deserve it it's all completely misguided).


It's never misguided to blame racists for being racists.

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I did. I understood it all perfectly. I knew about the trade deals and all of the other positive things we got from it but still I would have voted in anger. Like I said, either way I am going to get fucked. So are the people with money though, so hey, at least we all pretty much feel the same way right now.


Then you'll be called a fool. You sided with the very man who's fucked you over in order to achieve a vote that will fuck you over further. Sorry about that, but that's the way it is.

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Sorry JC. I do sympathise with your anger. I've had a bit of a bad start to life, my mother had her disability benefit taken away from her despite the fact she couldn't stand... Many things I've written about here, and many more things I sadly can't, or wouldn't.

But oh my goodness, as much as I can read your pain your choice to leave has screwed everyone. Your friends and neighbours, the younger generations who won't have a chance. It's given justification for racism to the worst people in our society, and the failures that follow will hit those struggling most already the hardest.

As a side-point, my mum's ex-partner is from Brixton. It's full of racists. He is mixed-race and has been on the recieving end of enough of it. Being from a multi-cultural area does not mean that you are not a racist. I'm not saying that you are, I have no comment on that, but it's not s good idea to use the idea that you live near people of different races as proof that you can't be racist.


You need to understand the mentality of some one getting nailed to the floor because of our government. It's almost impossible for some to understand (including Cavey who regularly brags about his Porsche or his motorcycle or whatever else it is).

If things really can't get any worse how they can be worse for some one in a situation like that?

Maybe they will? maybe voting out will make things worse though I fail to understand in a society like ours just how much more you could do to the poor or disabled? maybe open up a few "holiday camps" and start the gassing?

Whatever the answer I am sure we will find out.

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So it didn't go the way people were expecting it to? of course not. This has to be THE best Epic Fail ever. Cameron was so confident in himself and the rich people he hangs out with who all probably wanted to stay in that he simply didn't understand. How many people out there that had grudges against him and his band of merry men (glares at IDC) and so on.

Will their lives change much? maybe. Maybe they'll lose a few quid as the pound plummets.
I have no idea what to do with this.

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