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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 14:59 
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That’s the local MP of a lot of Russell’s side of the family. I know a little bit of hope can be a dangerous thing, but goodness I’d love this to be a trend. I wish the next general wasn’t so far away

Assuming you're talking about Cowchinski, he was basically my MP until I moved in with Jem. I met him once, he came to our new offices at work to see them and do a photo opp.

He's very tall. And a twat.


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That’s the local MP of a lot of Russell’s side of the family. I know a little bit of hope can be a dangerous thing, but goodness I’d love this to be a trend. I wish the next general wasn’t so far away

Assuming you're talking about Cowchinski, he was basically my MP until I moved in with Jem. I met him once, he came to our new offices at work to see them and do a photo opp.

He's very tall. And a twat.


Sorry, I was unclear. I mean that the North Shropshire constituency is where a lot of Russell’s family live.

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Ah, gotcha. Well, Paterson was also a twat - not sure how tall he is, though ;)


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Brexit devours another of its most devout.

Still, at least he'll have more time to complain about Lord Frost's Brexit deal.


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Would that be the truss to which is attached: the noose?


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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It's just occurred to me that if Johnson falls under his own big red bus before the summer, he'll have been PM for less time than his predecessor, which would be satisfyingly pleasing.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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I really enjoyed Rayner's last question at PMQs, about the PM not taking responsibility and always blaming others and then in his reply the PM went on and on about what Labour had done, hadn't done, will do, and won't do.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Shame I missed it. Rayner's excellent and really knows how to get under Johnson's skin (a metaphor that becomes more unpleasant the more I think about it).


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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As we have to celebrate victories in this thread when they come, I'm very pleased with the jury's decision over the Colston dunking. Who's next?


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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As we have to celebrate victories in this thread when they come, I'm very pleased with the jury's decision over the Colston dunking. Who's next?


This is an odd one.

From what I know, there is very little doubt that the four people in court damaged the statue without the consent of the owners. Once the CPS decide to prosecute, they *should* have been found guilty but the Jury seem to have made their decision based on what’s morally right.

To be clear, I approve of the dunking, and the police absolutely did the right thing in not intervening on the day.
Predictably, there’s a lot of “save are statues” waffle going on.

Even more bizarrely, Jacob Rees Mogg has made very sensible comments on how this won’t encourage further damage.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2022 21:04 
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There's that here

https://www.doughtystreet.co.uk/news/ed ... -defendant

Bits of it seem to be "you can smash stuff up if you have an honestly held belief it will prevent bad stuff happening" wrapped up in more clever stuff, which is fine.

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This is much better

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2022 21:11 
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Dr Zoidberg wrote:

.Once the CPS decide to prosecute, they *should* have been found guilty


Absolutely not. Not ever.

Edit on a re-reading: Unless you mean should do 83% of the time :)

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On the back of this, a quick back of fag packet calculation suggests that with a 15% charge rate and a CPS conviction rate of 83% you've got a solid 7/8 chance of getting away with general criming, although the mix might be a bit different.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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On the back of this, a quick back of fag packet calculation suggests that with a 15% charge rate and a CPS conviction rate of 83% you've got a solid 7/8 chance of getting away with general criming, although the mix might be a bit different.


TBF the reasons I'm not wholesaling contraband are more to do with large start up capital, unreliable customers, and unclear margins more than the legality of it all.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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MaliA wrote:
Dr Zoidberg wrote:

.Once the CPS decide to prosecute, they *should* have been found guilty


Absolutely not. Not ever.

Edit on a re-reading: Unless you mean should do 83% of the time :)


To clarify, I think the CPS should have dropped it as not in the public interest, but given that they went ahead, the facts as I understood them meant a conviction was very likely.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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That secret barrister one is really good.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Johnson looked very miserable throughout PMQs today. He clearly didn't like the attention, and his non-apology was pathetic. Sounded to me like he was trying to throw everyone else under his big red bus, as usual.
Starmer was excellent with his line of questioning and genuine anger at Johnson's abysmal responses.

Still, at least the nation can unite around washing machine filters!


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2022 14:14 
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Theresa May was behind and clearly loving the washing machine bantz.

Interestingly, I think two to her left was Truro and Falmoutb MP who is usually quite vocal about plastics in the water, but was sat there rather quietly.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Theresa May was behind and clearly loving the washing machine bantz.


Yeah, I could see a glint of joy in her eyes for the first time in years.


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Theresa May was behind and clearly loving the washing machine bantz.


Yeah, I could see a glint of joy in her eyes for the first time in years.


Those corn fields are gonna get wrecked tonight

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Haha. Priti will be pleased

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Surely he has resign. I can’t see Boris surviving this.

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Have you not heard about Operation "Save Big Dog"?

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Have you not heard about Operation "Save Big Dog"?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 93433.html


I bet that sounded amazing in his head.

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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Johnson's psyche, yesterday:


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 Post subject: Re: Political Banter and Debate Thread
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Oh

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Why didn't they just drink on Zoom like everyone else?

Anyhow, it's the lack of ambition that's really disappointing. They should have raided the government's own wine cellars, lit up the Foreign Office with flame machines and lasers, fired t-shirt cannons from the ramparts, and gone full-on last days of Rome. But, no, it's just a suitcase of booze from the Co-op.


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Oh god, I've just realised. Big Dog is what he calls his Johnson, isn't it?

I've ruined my breakfast with this thought, so might as well ruin yours.


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Oh god, I've just realised. Big Dog is what he calls his Johnson, isn't it?

I've ruined my breakfast with this thought, so might as well ruin yours.


I'd imagine he gets out of a suddy bath and shakes it around like a wet Dulux dog.


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The government took a massive battering in the Other Place last night as the most egregious parts of their police bill were rightly eviscerated. Not that I have any confidence in the Commons accepting these changes.

Sadly, the government's elections bill, which among other things makes mayoral elections first-past-the-post, introduces voter id to combat the non-existent problem of poll fraud and the more existent problem of people without ID not voting Tory, and curbs on the Electoral Commission, passed the Commons. As much of this was in the Tory manifesto, their Lordships might be more reticent to tamper with it.

Oh, and don't make the mistake I did and read the transcript of Nadine Dorries's answers in the House about the BBC. It's toe-curling bad.


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I suspect now that, much like Coronavirus, the Cabinet did not realise the seriousness of these parties until it was far too late. Instead, they believed in their own abilities to get through this.

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I suspect now that, much like Coronavirus, the Cabinet did not realise the seriousness of these parties until it was far too late. Instead, they believed in their own abilities to get through this.


Quite. Rules are for little people.

They all think it's the Oxford Union.


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What are the odds on Johnson not appearing for PMQs tomorrow?


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What are the odds on Johnson not appearing for PMQs tomorrow?


Low. I hope Starmer subs out, though, as I love a bit of Rayner. She really loves sticking it in, and does it with such unbridled jkyy, and superb prep.

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Problem is the equally vile bastard that replaces him might be *competent*.


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Definitely a worry. Though I don't think they have any of those at the moment.


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Yes, a combination of the lack of the talent in the parliamentary party and a rabid membership means the chances of getting a reasonably competent successor are pretty slim. Johnson has to go however. Making a mockery of lockdown is such an failure of leadership and responsibility that proves his lack of suitability of office, and this would remain my position even were the rest of his premiership not mired in corruption and dire policy decisions.

Besides, being forever known as having a shorter reign than May would be hilarious.


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Bury MP defects to Labour!

That's your pre-game show folks, onto the main event.


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I wish he'd shouted, "We will Bury you!" as he made his defection, but you can't have everything.

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Starmer is chirpy.

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Johnson clearly decided that rattling through the greatest hits was a better approach than answering anything. He had the energy of someone who knows their time's up and doesn't care.
Starmer was clearly enjoying himself, and i think a couple of things (the Queen statement, the statement of Labour's plans) were designed to stick in people's minds rather than hit Johnson directly.

But I wasn't expecting that question from David Davis. Ouch.


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Interesting response from the Bloviating Buffoon after the Davis kill shot. "I don't know anything about the quote". Johnson is Churchill's biographer, meaning he is either completely incompetent at that (not beyond the realm of plausibility) or he's a liar...hmmm, strokes chin in contemplation.

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