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Author:  nickachu [ Tue Feb 25, 2014 21:00 ]
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I'm not even on your list :((

Author:  zaphod79 [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:50 ]
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I dont get the arguments over who the 'third' mafia person is - there are 6 players and you need a majority (ie 4) to vote someone out.

So if there are 3 mafia you wont get that and tonight the mafia will all steal from the remaining town and kill one of them for the game to end tomorrow.

If there are only 2 mafia then today *all* the remaining townies need to vote for the correct baddie which is not going to happen.

Author:  Mr Dave [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:02 ]
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zaphod79 wrote:
I dont get the arguments over who the 'third' mafia person is - there are 6 players and you need a majority (ie 4) to vote someone out.

So if there are 3 mafia you wont get that and tonight the mafia will all steal from the remaining town and kill one of them for the game to end tomorrow.

If there are only 2 mafia then today *all* the remaining townies need to vote for the correct baddie which is not going to happen.

If it's 3:3 then today is merely a chance for moving money around.

Author:  Cras [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:10 ]
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Yep.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:11 ]
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Tonight, you mean - isn't "today" a waste of time if there are three of them?

Author:  Mr Dave [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:12 ]
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But at least craster didn't lose, despite being monumentally bad at making money.

Author:  Cras [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:13 ]
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If they lynch a townie there won't be a tonight.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:14 ]
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Cras wrote:
If they lynch a townie there won't be a tonight.

If there are three of them there shouldn't be a "today" (under the normal rules, anyway).

Author:  Cras [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:36 ]
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Yeah, but under this game rules it stops when they outnumber, not when the townies can no longer survive.

Author:  Cras [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:49 ]
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I like that I didn't earn or steal all game but still didn't come last :)

Author:  Trooper [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:56 ]
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Cras wrote:
Yeah, but under this game rules it stops when they outnumber, not when the townies can no longer survive.


Aye. I put that in because I thought that it was a bit unfair to the mafia otherwise. However, it seems that if the town don't actually try and lynch anyone, or even vote, then that massively favours the mafia. Who knew! :D

It'll all come down to tonight and moving money around, and the order of when the steals came in.

Author:  Cras [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:58 ]
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That answers whether there are three then ;)

Author:  Trooper [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:01 ]
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Oops! :D Still that was pretty much a given for the amount of players, wasn't it? :D

Hypothetically, the mafia probably think they have won this now, and hypothetically they might start to think about winning the individual competition, and hypothetically one of them might have sent me an action that is backstabbing one of their own already... ;)

This has the potential for great belming.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 14:24 ]
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Myp wrote:
By Curio? It's possible, but unlikely at this point.

:facepalm:

Author:  zaphod79 [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 14:36 ]
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Trooper wrote:
Oops! :D Still that was pretty much a given for the amount of players, wasn't it? :D

Hypothetically, the mafia probably think they have won this now, and hypothetically they might start to think about winning the individual competition, and hypothetically one of them might have sent me an action that is backstabbing one of their own already... ;)

This has the potential for great belming.


So if your one of the 3 remaining mafia - if you join in with a vote against another mafia person that all the townies are agreed upon they are dead (removed from the game) , you then kill another townie overnight and thats you down to 2 townies and 2 mafia ......

Thats then very interesting because in theory you could get the townies to vote for the other mafia (you cant possibly be bad because you put in the killing vote) , kill another townie overnight then its 1v1 (and you then kill the townie that night?)

Author:  Trooper [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 15:05 ]
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Should I remind them all that you don't win by being alive, you win by having the most money, both for yourself and for your faction?

Some of them don't seem to have cottoned on to that, or maybe they are playing dumb?

Author:  Mr Dave [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 15:09 ]
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Trooper wrote:
Should I remind them all that you don't win by being alive, you win by having the most money, both for yourself and for your faction?

Some of them don't seem to have cottoned on to that, or maybe they are playing dumb?

Im sure when we discussed this bearlier, only live people counted towards the faction....

Author:  Cras [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 15:10 ]
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Yes. But if it's three mafia and two townies and the two townies have more money than the three mafia do, that's a win for the town. Of course, that's unlikely considering the mafia will have more people and the ability to co-ordinate steals.

Author:  Trooper [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 15:15 ]
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Unless, of course, what the mafia agree amongst themselves as their overnight actions, turns out to be a lie as one of them is going for an individual win too... :D

Author:  Mr Dave [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 15:17 ]
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Cras wrote:
Yes. But if it's three mafia and two townies and the two townies have more money than the three mafia do, that's a win for the town. Of course, that's unlikely considering the mafia will have more people and the ability to co-ordinate steals.

only of they choose yo cooperate. As before, it's a crap shoot.

Also. Have they learned nothing? Russ.is always the mafia don.

Author:  Trooper [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 15:27 ]
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If Myp is playing dumb on how to win the game, then he is a very good actor...

Should I repost the rules in the thread?

Author:  Mr Dave [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 15:31 ]
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Trooper wrote:
If Myp is playing dumb on how to win the game, then he is a very good actor...

Should I repost the rules in the thread?

Nah, its up to them to read them and/or correct him.

Author:  Trooper [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 15:43 ]
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Mr Dave wrote:
Trooper wrote:
If Myp is playing dumb on how to win the game, then he is a very good actor...

Should I repost the rules in the thread?

Nah, its up to them to read them and/or correct him.


Yeah, that's the conclusion I've come to. Fuck em if they can't read :D

Author:  zaphod79 [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 16:40 ]
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And the town cant work out that discussing their plans in front of the mafia is a bad thing ?

Author:  Trooper [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 16:49 ]
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So... currently the Mafia are ahead in their total, which in an even fight where everyone is going to steal, actually puts them in a worse position. However, the ability to take one of the other team out of the game gives them the advantage back. But then the order of the steals happening on the order that I get sent them, if anyone has worked that out yet, then that gives them an advantage. If the mafia steal first, then the town steal back, then even if there are only 2 left, they will most likely have the most cash.

A winning tactic for the mafia might be to not actually do anything, and just kill the townie with the most money.

Someone should try and work the combinations out with a spreadsheet or something...

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 16:57 ]
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Curio and Russ, ehhhhh?

/smug

Author:  Mr Dave [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 16:58 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Curio and Russ, ehhhhh?

/smug

Why didn't you get them killed then?

Author:  zaphod79 [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 17:03 ]
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Trooper wrote:
Someone should try and work the combinations out with a spreadsheet or something...


I think the no-kill is an interesting option - what about if the mafia just donate to a single person and get them up to a large amount of cash then 2 of them steal from them that night and someone steals from another random townie.

That would leave the town with one person on zero and the mafia with more cash ?

The mafia are totally in control here and could have this go on for another week with nothing but a strange airplane shaped dot in the distance to worry them :-)

Author:  Mr Dave [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 17:05 ]
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zaphod79 wrote:
Trooper wrote:
Someone should try and work the combinations out with a spreadsheet or something...


I think the no-kill is an interesting option - what about if the mafia just donate to a single person and get them up to a large amount of cash then 2 of them steal from them that night and someone steals from another random townie.

That would leave the town with one person on zero and the mafia with more cash ?

Yeah. Not going to happen due to individual wins.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 17:06 ]
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Mr Dave wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Curio and Russ, ehhhhh?

/smug

Why didn't you get them killed then?

Nothing to go on until day 5, really.

Not much to go on then either, to be honest.

Author:  zaphod79 [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 17:08 ]
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Mr Dave wrote:
Yeah. Not going to happen due to individual wins.


So for individual wins I still think 'not ending the game' works best for the mafia - do what they like for the next 4 or 5 days and there is much more money to go around ?

If they all just invest / steal / whatever for a few days the money that everyone has will be much greater than the amount that anyone who's dead holds ?

Author:  Mr Dave [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 17:11 ]
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Grim... wrote:
Mr Dave wrote:
Grim... wrote:
Curio and Russ, ehhhhh?

/smug

Why didn't you get them killed then?

Nothing to go on until day 5, really.

Not much to go on then either, to be honest.

Not much to go on? Just use a chomp wrapper in that case. Guaranteed* to work.

* - Not actually guaranteed.

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 17:17 ]
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When I got half the votes I looked through for someone to call up and go one-one-one with, but there wasn't anybody :shrug:

Author:  Trooper [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 17:18 ]
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zaphod79 wrote:
Mr Dave wrote:
Yeah. Not going to happen due to individual wins.


So for individual wins I still think 'not ending the game' works best for the mafia - do what they like for the next 4 or 5 days and there is much more money to go around ?

If they all just invest / steal / whatever for a few days the money that everyone has will be much greater than the amount that anyone who's dead holds ?


That would be incredibly boring though. If they opt not to kill tonight, I'll probably do something about that, tomorrow.
I would be surprised if it went on that long though. There is no don, and I'll accept the first kill action sent to me by any of the mafia. They haven't asked whether that is how it works, but then I haven't told them that either, as one of them has taken it upon himself to be the spokesman and send in the kill action, so it hasn't come up.

I expect they would realise though, and one of them would get greedy...

Author:  Grim... [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 17:20 ]
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You should have let it run until only one person remained.

Author:  Trooper [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 17:22 ]
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Grim... wrote:
You should have let it run until only one person remained.


That's not a bad idea actually! If there is no kill tonight, i'll do that.

Author:  Cras [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 17:23 ]
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Oh holy shit. If one of the mafia realises that and sends in a kill on one of their own, that could be fun.

Author:  Satsuma [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 20:43 ]
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Love it! No one will be investing tonight; should be interesting.

Author:  Trooper [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 20:45 ]
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The game is definitely over tonight, but i'm just waiting on the last two townies to give me their night actions. Depending on who they steal from, they could either win or lose the game for the Town :D

Author:  Satsuma [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 21:22 ]
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I wonder if I could end up winning this...

Author:  Trooper [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 23:05 ]
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Oops, slight miscalculation on my part, the town can't win now. Just waiting on one more to see the final individual standings.

Author:  Cras [ Wed Feb 26, 2014 23:09 ]
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You know, I reckon Curio might be in the mafia.

Author:  Bobbyaro [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 16:22 ]
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nickachu wrote:
I'm not even on your list :((

Brilliant! Sat, you belm! :D

Author:  Zeppo [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 16:42 ]
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So I deaded right at the end.

So, anyone who threw my name into the mafia lists, any particular reason?

Author:  Satsuma [ Thu Feb 27, 2014 17:54 ]
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Bobbyaro wrote:
nickachu wrote:
I'm not even on your list :((

Brilliant! Sat, you belm! :D


He was dead before I started the spreadsheet!

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:38 ]
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Who is getting immunity tonight, dead folk?

Author:  GazChap [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:56 ]
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If there's no other vote, roll a dice for me ;)

1. Cras
2. Mimi
3. Zeppo
4. Goddess Jasmine
5. Saturnalian
6. sdg

Author:  Curiosity [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:59 ]
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Wrong thread, chaps.

Author:  Grim... [ Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:14 ]
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Oh yeah.

Never mind :)

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