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Mr Dave · **Posted:** Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:14

Quote:

Two theories on his death

Ignoring the obvious third: He makes a rubbish hiding place.

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:16

Okay, the time is more correct now.

It's still a few seconds out, but that'll do.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:23

Zaphod - only Grim... can alter server time (I think) so we'll just have to trust him

Curiosity · **Posted:** Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:01

I bloody love Santanalian!

"Posting like Trooper with a family sized can of Red Bull"

:DD

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14487

Curiositree wrote:

I bloody love Santanalian!

"Posting like Trooper with a family sized can of Red Bull"

:DD

Yip - if nothing else he's been entertaining , some of the 'jokes' can be taken to literally and his "confession" yesterday I think is going to be enough to damn him today

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22266

Curiositree wrote:

I bloody love Santanalian!

"Posting like Trooper with a family sized can of Red Bull"

:DD

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14487

Grim... wrote:

Okay, the time is more correct now.

It's still a few seconds out, but that'll do.

Seconds are fine - any reason why it doesn't sync with some NTP service out there ?

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:36

zaphod79 wrote:

Grim... wrote:

Okay, the time is more correct now.

It's still a few seconds out, but that'll do.

Seconds are fine - any reason why it doesn't sync with some NTP service out there ?

It does now

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14487

:-) at Gazchap

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Dec 19, 2013 14:34

zaphod79 wrote:

:-) at Gazchap

Right? What's he up to?

Is he seriously going to come along and say he's "giving people time to talk"?

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14487

And things are just confusing for Joans

Joans wrote:

Well we've got the forum clock being about 5 minutes fast, meaning Zaphods post should have counted, but a decision was made that it wouldn't. If this is part of the game, then it suggests santanalian is something other than the demented elf.
However, there's also the message from zaphod which santanalian claims not to have received, but also claims that curio told him he just forgot to send it on. If that was the case, you'd expect curio to confirm this. If this one is part of the game, then yeah, it does point to santanalian being a bit dodgy.

Obviously, if either of those aren't part of the game, i.e. Zaphod posted in time, but we're just not counting it, or curio really did forget to pass on the message but won't confirm it in the thread, then that strikes me as a bit shitty, so I choose to assume it's part of the game.

myp · **Posted:** Thu Dec 19, 2013 16:08

Curio is the worst person in the world.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Thu Dec 19, 2013 16:57

Look, it got down to 7 elves vs the serial killer. I thought I'd make it interesting.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14487

Curiositree wrote:

Look, it got down to 7 elves vs the serial killer. I thought I'd make it interesting.

By giving the game to the SK :-)

I dont really think you could have done anything different - if you were going to announce the mess up with Santalian then you would have to have done it instantly - once you've let it go then you have to leave it as a trust or dont trust point.

I do think the time thing is wrong and I think this would be a different game if both of us had been removed yesterday - but that choice has already been made so the game needs to play out as is.

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Dec 19, 2013 17:14

If Sat is an elf, I don't think he's playing up to his win condition by asking others to vote for him. Give him a warning

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14487

Grim... wrote:

If Sat is an elf, I don't think he's playing up to his win condition by asking others to vote for him. Give him a warning

Agreed - threaten to Mod kill him if he doesn't behave :-)

gospvg · **Joined:** 7th Nov, 2008 **Posts:** 2306

Has Sant given up?

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14487

gospvg wrote:

Has Sant given up?

Yes he has however he just needs a Trooper family sized can of red bull and he'll be fine

Curiosity · **Posted:** Thu Dec 19, 2013 23:43

He has informed me that this is reverse psychology

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Fri Dec 20, 2013 0:07

He should try a chomp wrapper. Good rate of lynch aversion, that.

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Curiositree wrote:

He has informed me that this is reverse psychology

Yeah, I thought it probably was. Working quite well, too.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:11

GJ wrote:

false role clam

It's not really a mollusc at all!

Curiosity · **Posted:** Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:12

Grim... wrote:

GJ wrote:

false role clam

It's not really a mollusc at all!

Gasp!

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:35

Try to get over the shock.
Don't clam up.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:44

Clam down!

myp · **Posted:** Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:03

Oyster in the name of the law.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14487

Bobbyaro wrote:

If you are so desperate to end it, vote for yourself.

That should definitely not be allowed and is playing against his win condition.

I actually dont think they are going to manage a vote today

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:50

zaphod79 wrote:

Bobbyaro wrote:

If you are so desperate to end it, vote for yourself.

That should definitely not be allowed and is playing against his win condition.

I actually dont think they are going to manage a vote today

If you're part of a team, then voting for yourself can quite easily be towards your win condition.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14487

Mr Dave wrote:

If you're part of a team, then voting for yourself can quite easily be towards your win condition.

So there are two possibilities here :

1) Santalian is the demented elf (which we know he's not) - him voting for himself removes the last person who can hit his win condition so its definitely against it
2) Santalian is a normal elf - him voting for himself removes one person from the pool , the killer will remove another overnight and we end up with 4 people who still wont talk and you require 3 for a majority to add someone else to the naughty list

I cant see how that can be seen as a positive , or playing to his win condition

It may suit him personally to be removed from the pain and torture of the game but its not helping the team at all.

A *non* vote today , the killer removes someone overnight (not santalian) leaves 5 tomorrow with 3 for a majority which I think works better for the town

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Fri Dec 20, 2013 13:43

zaphod79 wrote:

Mr Dave wrote:

If you're part of a team, then voting for yourself can quite easily be towards your win condition.

So there are two possibilities here :

1) Santalian is the demented elf (which we know he's not) - him voting for himself removes the last person who can hit his win condition so its definitely against it
2) Santalian is a normal elf - him voting for himself removes one person from the pool , the killer will remove another overnight and we end up with 4 people who still wont talk and you require 3 for a majority to add someone else to the naughty list

I cant see how that can be seen as a positive , or playing to his win condition

It may suit him personally to be removed from the pain and torture of the game but its not helping the team at all.

A *non* vote today , the killer removes someone overnight (not santalian) leaves 5 tomorrow with 3 for a majority which I think works better for the town

If you're going to be voted out due to having a target painted on you, then it's best to do so at an early stage. If you're an easy target, then being so on a final day is probably not ideal for your team.

I'm not saying it's the best strategy, but it's certainly not absolutely against a win condition.

Grim... · **Posted:** Fri Dec 20, 2013 14:29

I've allowed it in the past, but I wouldn't if it went against his win condition (ie. if he were the elf). If I got involved I'd blanket ban it for everyone, though (otherwise everyone would know he's not on a team).

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Fri Dec 20, 2013 14:46

Grim... wrote:

I've allowed it in the past, but I wouldn't if it went against his win condition (ie. if he were the elf). If I got involved I'd blanket ban it for everyone, though (otherwise everyone would know he's not on a team).

It could be a valid tactic for those not on a team too, so long as it wasn't the last vote.
A bluff to help the pretense that you are on a team, eh? Risky, and somewhat hard to withdraw from without raising suspicion, but doable.

(And on a team I've certainly cast the deciding vote for myself in the past. Superscum, for example, to try and force a vote for Bobby the next day. Which worked. To what extent people would've followed had I not done that, I can't say, but the Bobby lynch followed the next day with no hesitation.)

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Fri Dec 20, 2013 15:00

So yeah, I'd be opposed to any view being taken on self voting for reasons of "not playing to win condition". As chances are I might fall foul of it due to people seemingly rarely seeing things in the game as I do, and so disagreeing that what I'd done to get the best chances to meet the win condition wasn't playing to it. (I'd see it much the same as not voting for the blatant bad guy earning censure due to not trying to meet the win condition (See: Malc at the cottage) or deliberately leaving the SK alive as the same*.)

Basically a rule which is based on motivation is flawed, and a blanket ban removes any kind on tactical usage from it which would be boring.

* - which I still think of as being mostly in the towns favour, particularly when they have shit special roles. Which doesn't seem to be a majority view.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14487

Ohhh - interesting

Bobby hasnt changed the forum time for GMT - so the 'forum' time for him reads 17:15 right now - which means in his view Gaz's post is past the cut off

I have set the forum time to GMT so for me its 16:15 and there are still 45 minutes to go

Which 'forum time' is the correct 'forum time' ?

myp · **Posted:** Fri Dec 20, 2013 17:19

Bobby is an idiot.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14487

Not arguing but Bobby thought the game timed out at a different point

Which one is correct :

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zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14487

Santanalian wrote:

If you've missed it again, you're idiots. Also, if you've just killed me you're both idiots.

Unless one of you is the demented elf. Natch.

Nice :-)

myp · **Posted:** Fri Dec 20, 2013 17:36

Neither. It is 16:35.

But Bobby is wrong because he still has daylight saving on in his settings, and we don't have that now.

Curiosity · **Posted:** Fri Dec 20, 2013 17:45

Well, let's see if they succeed on their final shot, or if they are fools.

Malc · **Posted:** Fri Dec 20, 2013 17:49

Mr Dave wrote:

(I'd see it much the same as not voting for the blatant bad guy earning censure due to not trying to meet the win condition (See: Malc at the cottage) or deliberately leaving the SK alive as the same*.)

What?

Malc

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14487

Curiositree wrote:

Well, let's see if they succeed on their final shot, or if they are fools.

Can i put my money on fools please ?

Also does someone want to add Santanalian to the dead thread list (need to be Grim... / Craster or TheVision)

Curiosity · **Posted:** Fri Dec 20, 2013 18:07

BTW, I didn't tell Sat he couldn't self vote.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14487

Curiositree wrote:

BTW, I didn't tell Sat he couldn't self vote.

Yeah he just overdid it a little on all the

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14356

Hiya!

Being abusive almost worked as a tactic to keep me alive, but it's probably best that I'm dead for those poor townies. I didn't mean it, people!

I thought that when they thought I thought I was dead with 3 votes that they'd twig that I wasn't the demented elf. Tch.

Still, I had fun. Thanks Curio!

If Joans is the killer and ends up with the deciding vote each day till the end I'll laugh my ass off.

Mr Dave · **Posted:** Sat Dec 21, 2013 14:50

Santanalian wrote:

If Joans is the killer and ends up with the deciding vote each day till the end I'll laugh my ass off.

I'll be a little disappointed if it is. You certainly wouldn't walk away thinking "Joans played an amazing game in order to win" if it were the case.

myp · **Posted:** Sat Dec 21, 2013 14:51

ALWAYS vote the quiet ones off. Why does no one remember this?

Mr Russell · **Joined:** 6th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 12243

SilentNight wrote:

ALWAYS vote the quiet ones off. Why does no one remember this?

Because every single game people wait for a mod kill.

Maybe it should be part of a stated rule on day 1, choice of the game runner e.g.
1) Players not posting in x time will be mod killed.
2) Players not posting in x game time will be mod killed.
3) Players will not be mod killed even if they don't post.

myp · **Posted:** Sat Dec 21, 2013 15:15

Players are never mod-killed though! We've known that forever.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14487

SilentNight wrote:

Players are never mod-killed though! We've known that forever.

Some have been - the issue is not really '1' player being quiet - its 5 or 6 and then it just means you need to pick randomly between a number of people who have either not posted or virtually not posted.

myp · **Posted:** Sat Dec 21, 2013 15:25

zaphod79 wrote:

SilentNight wrote:

Players are never mod-killed though! We've known that forever.

Some have been - the issue is not really '1' player being quiet - its 5 or 6 and then it just means you need to pick randomly between a number of people who have either not posted or virtually not posted.

Yet there are still three quiet ones at the end, so that hasn't happened.

Even if talkies are bad guys, it's best to keep them around as it makes the game more interesting.

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