Be Excellent To Each Other

And, you know, party on. Dude.

All times are UTC [ DST ]




This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 209 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:53 
User avatar
ugvm'er at heart...

Joined: 4th Mar, 2010
Posts: 22270
gospvg wrote:
The problem with this game is that in the first few days if you talk too much the finger of suspicion gets pointed at you, potentially we could lose three people to the night actions do we really want to vote Kovac out also potentially losing a 4th when we have nothing to go on?


Voting patterns, and the conversation the votes bring up are the only power we have. If we do nothing today, we are in the same position tomorrow, with no more information but more dead townies.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:53 
SupaMod
User avatar
Est. 1978

Joined: 27th Mar, 2008
Posts: 69509
Location: Your Mum
Trooper wrote:
[vote:kovacsc]
Being of the squeaking group, any lynch is better than no lynch, and everyone except Grim... knows that, so KovacsC it is.

All the times the town hasn't lynched on the first day it's gone on to win*


*may not be true

_________________
Grim... wrote:
I wish Craster had left some girls for the rest of us.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:53 
User avatar
Unpossible!

Joined: 27th Jun, 2008
Posts: 38464
I know it feels like we're being hasty,
But with our power, we shouldn't be waste-y


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:54 

Joined: 7th Nov, 2008
Posts: 2306
Mr Russell Sprouts wrote:
gospvg wrote:
The problem with this game is that in the first few days if you talk too much the finger of suspicion gets pointed at you, potentially we could lose three people to the night actions do we really want to vote Kovac out also potentially losing a 4th when we have nothing to go on?


The lynch is the town's only power. You really don't want to argue against it.


Yes it is the towns only power but I think we should only use that power if we have a certainty & Kovac has said or done nothing.
I also know that I am digging a big hole for myself now & I should just shutup.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:54 
User avatar
ugvm'er at heart...

Joined: 4th Mar, 2010
Posts: 22270
DavPaz wrote:
I know it feels like we're being hasty,
But with our power, we shouldn't be waste-y


:facepalm: We're voting for DavPaz tomorrow, right?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:55 

Joined: 7th Nov, 2008
Posts: 2306
Fuck it only one way to find out

[vote:KovacsC]


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:55 
SupaMod
User avatar
Est. 1978

Joined: 27th Mar, 2008
Posts: 69509
Location: Your Mum
zaphod79: 1 (Bobbyaro)
mr russell sprouts: 1 (sdg)
nickachu: 2 (KovacsC, Santanalian)
kovacsc: 8 (Grim..., Cras Kringle, SilentNight, Mr Russell Sprouts, nickachu, Trooper, DavPaz, gospvg)

Not voted: 6 (zaphod79, gazchap, squirt, joans, sharp suit, goddess jasmine)

With 18 players alive, 10 votes are required for a lynch, and 10 nolynch votes are required to not lynch anybody.

http://www.beexcellenttoeachother.com/counter/work.php

_________________
Grim... wrote:
I wish Craster had left some girls for the rest of us.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:55 

Joined: 7th Nov, 2008
Posts: 2306
zaphod79: 1 (Bobbyaro)
mr russell sprouts: 1 (sdg)
nickachu: 2 (KovacsC, Santanalian)
kovacsc: 8 (Grim..., Cras Kringle, SilentNight, Mr Russell Sprouts, nickachu, Trooper, DavPaz, gospvg)

Not voted: 6 (zaphod79, gazchap, squirt, joans, sharp suit, goddess jasmine)

With 18 players alive, 10 votes are required for a lynch, and 10 nolynch votes are required to not lynch anybody.

http://www.beexcellenttoeachother.com/counter/work.php


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:57 
8-Bit Champion
User avatar
Two heads are better than one

Joined: 16th Apr, 2008
Posts: 14489
Grim... wrote:
*may not be true


Definitely not true !

Therefore everyone should vote from Grim... for saying something wrong :-)

[vote:KovacsC]


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 10:59 

Joined: 7th Nov, 2008
Posts: 2306
zaphod79 wrote:
Grim... wrote:
*may not be true


Definitely not true !

Therefore everyone should vote from Grim... for saying something wrong :-)

[vote:KovacsC]


Possibly but either way tomorrow after the night actions the town is going to be a lot wiser.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:00 
User avatar
Master of dodgy spelling....

Joined: 25th Sep, 2008
Posts: 22545
Location: shropshire, uk
I am bloody elf, you fools...

_________________
MetalAngel wrote:
Kovacs: From 'unresponsive' to 'kebab' in 3.5 seconds


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:01 
User avatar
Unpossible!

Joined: 27th Jun, 2008
Posts: 38464
Your cards are marked and soon you'll go.
Merry xmas, ho ho ho!

(sorry)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:06 
User avatar
Master of dodgy spelling....

Joined: 25th Sep, 2008
Posts: 22545
Location: shropshire, uk
Look, pointy ears, bell on hat....

_________________
MetalAngel wrote:
Kovacs: From 'unresponsive' to 'kebab' in 3.5 seconds


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:18 
User avatar
Bad Girl

Joined: 20th Apr, 2008
Posts: 14358
DavPaz wrote:
Your cards are marked and soon you'll go.
Merry xmas, ho ho ho!

(sorry)


Your Christmas cards are marked, y'mean? Aye? Aye!? AYE?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:20 
User avatar
Master of dodgy spelling....

Joined: 25th Sep, 2008
Posts: 22545
Location: shropshire, uk
Santanalian wrote:
DavPaz wrote:
Your cards are marked and soon you'll go.
Merry xmas, ho ho ho!

(sorry)


Your Christmas cards are marked, y'mean? Aye? Aye!? AYE?


*glares*

_________________
MetalAngel wrote:
Kovacs: From 'unresponsive' to 'kebab' in 3.5 seconds


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:20 
User avatar
Bad Girl

Joined: 20th Apr, 2008
Posts: 14358
gospvg wrote:
Mr Russell Sprouts wrote:
gospvg wrote:
The problem with this game is that in the first few days if you talk too much the finger of suspicion gets pointed at you, potentially we could lose three people to the night actions do we really want to vote Kovac out also potentially losing a 4th when we have nothing to go on?


The lynch is the town's only power. You really don't want to argue against it.


Yes it is the towns only power but I think we should only use that power if we have a certainty & Kovac has said or done nothing.
I also know that I am digging a big hole for myself now & I should just shutup.


Shut up for your own protection? Don't be a wuss. You've got a good point here.

The town ought be looking at voting patterns and that guff Mr Dave always goes on about. There has already been a surge of voting and an attempt by people to distance themselves from it. We should be looking at that surge and taking an educated punt at one of those rather than someone who has said and done nowt.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:22 
SupaMod
User avatar
Est. 1978

Joined: 27th Mar, 2008
Posts: 69509
Location: Your Mum
Santanalian wrote:
The town ought be looking at voting patterns and that guff Mr Dave always goes on about.

Mr Dave hasn't played online for... A year? Two?

_________________
Grim... wrote:
I wish Craster had left some girls for the rest of us.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:23 
User avatar
Bad Girl

Joined: 20th Apr, 2008
Posts: 14358
Yeah, but he was ace at it.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:31 

Joined: 7th Nov, 2008
Posts: 2306
Santanalian wrote:
gospvg wrote:
Mr Russell Sprouts wrote:
gospvg wrote:
The problem with this game is that in the first few days if you talk too much the finger of suspicion gets pointed at you, potentially we could lose three people to the night actions do we really want to vote Kovac out also potentially losing a 4th when we have nothing to go on?


The lynch is the town's only power. You really don't want to argue against it.


Yes it is the towns only power but I think we should only use that power if we have a certainty & Kovac has said or done nothing.
I also know that I am digging a big hole for myself now & I should just shutup.


Shut up for your own protection? Don't be a wuss. You've got a good point here.

The town ought be looking at voting patterns and that guff Mr Dave always goes on about. There has already been a surge of voting and an attempt by people to distance themselves from it. We should be looking at that surge and taking an educated punt at one of those rather than someone who has said and done nowt.


My only concern was that I seemed to be trying to defend Kovac & if he ended up being Mafia then the town would turn against me. In the end I decided to vote for Kovac because it will give us an answer either way. I still have my suspicions on Joan why make the comment about Kovac & not vote for him?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:32 
User avatar
Master of dodgy spelling....

Joined: 25th Sep, 2008
Posts: 22545
Location: shropshire, uk
The only thing you will get will be a dead elf..... numpties

_________________
MetalAngel wrote:
Kovacs: From 'unresponsive' to 'kebab' in 3.5 seconds


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:35 
User avatar
Master of dodgy spelling....

Joined: 25th Sep, 2008
Posts: 22545
Location: shropshire, uk
I would lync Nic, as he never reads the rules or threads......

_________________
MetalAngel wrote:
Kovacs: From 'unresponsive' to 'kebab' in 3.5 seconds


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:39 

Joined: 7th Nov, 2008
Posts: 2306
zaphod79: 1 (Bobbyaro)
mr russell sprouts: 1 (sdg)
nickachu: 2 (KovacsC, Santanalian)
kovacsc: 9 (Grim..., Cras Kringle, SilentNight, Mr Russell Sprouts, nickachu, Trooper, DavPaz, gospvg, zaphod79)

Not voted: 5 (gazchap, squirt, joans, sharp suit, goddess jasmine)

With 18 players alive, 10 votes are required for a lynch, and 10 nolynch votes are required to not lynch anybody.

http://www.beexcellenttoeachother.com/counter/work.php


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:40 

Joined: 7th Nov, 2008
Posts: 2306
[vote:unvote]


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:41 

Joined: 7th Nov, 2008
Posts: 2306
I need to time to read through the thread & think so unvote for now.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:52 
SupaMod
User avatar
Commander-in-Cheese

Joined: 30th Mar, 2008
Posts: 49232
Gos, you're being unbelivably suspicious, just FYI :)

_________________
GoddessJasmine wrote:
Drunk, pulled Craster's pork, waiting for brdyime story,reading nuts. Xz


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:53 

Joined: 7th Nov, 2008
Posts: 2306
Ok reading the thread & the rules again the Mafia have an advantage in that they can communicate with each other. the only two people who have remotely shown any remorse to Kovac is moi & Santanalian. If Kovac was mafia I would have expected at least one other person to try to save him which has not happened so i'm going out on a limb here and saying Kovac is not Mafia. He could be the demented elf or scrooge but not sure on those yet.

Looking through the players who have voted for Kovac 9 (Grim..., Cras Kringle, SilentNight, Mr Russell Sprouts, nickachu, Trooper, DavPaz, gospvg, zaphod79)

Let's give Grimm the benefit of the doubt for testing the vote system but then he has not unvoted?
Silent night, Nikachu, Cras, Zaphod all voted for Kovac in quick succession. I am going to say one of them is Mafia.

So what do you think town? any sense in my thoughts?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:54 

Joined: 7th Nov, 2008
Posts: 2306
Cras Kringle wrote:
Gos, you're being unbelivably suspicious, just FYI :)

Nope I just talk too much.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:54 
SupaMod
User avatar
Commander-in-Cheese

Joined: 30th Mar, 2008
Posts: 49232
gospvg wrote:
If Kovac was mafia I would have expected at least one other person to try to save him which has not happened so i'm going out on a limb here and saying Kovac is not Mafia.


Someone has tried to save him - you :)

_________________
GoddessJasmine wrote:
Drunk, pulled Craster's pork, waiting for brdyime story,reading nuts. Xz


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:54 
User avatar
Unpossible!

Joined: 27th Jun, 2008
Posts: 38464
Gos and Kovacs sitting in a tree,
S-C-U-M-(M)-I-N-G!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:57 

Joined: 7th Nov, 2008
Posts: 2306
DavPaz wrote:
Gos and Kovacs sitting in a tree,
S-C-U-M-(M)-I-N-G!
Cras Kringle wrote:
gospvg wrote:
If Kovac was mafia I would have expected at least one other person to try to save him which has not happened so i'm going out on a limb here and saying Kovac is not Mafia.


Someone has tried to save him - you :)


This is what I wanted to see who would be the first to point the finger at me for trying to save Kovac. I think the town should vote for either Cras or DavPaz.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:58 

Joined: 7th Nov, 2008
Posts: 2306
[vote:Cras Kringle]


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:59 
SupaMod
User avatar
Commander-in-Cheese

Joined: 30th Mar, 2008
Posts: 49232
Nobody has a single reason to defend any other person on Day 1 except for people in a team.

_________________
GoddessJasmine wrote:
Drunk, pulled Craster's pork, waiting for brdyime story,reading nuts. Xz


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:59 
SupaMod
User avatar
Est. 1978

Joined: 27th Mar, 2008
Posts: 69509
Location: Your Mum
gospvg wrote:
Let's give Grimm the benefit of the doubt for testing the vote system but then he has not unvoted?

For lols.

_________________
Grim... wrote:
I wish Craster had left some girls for the rest of us.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:00 
SupaMod
User avatar
Est. 1978

Joined: 27th Mar, 2008
Posts: 69509
Location: Your Mum
Cras Kringle wrote:
Nobody has a single reason to defend any other person on Day 1 except for people in a team.

:this:

_________________
Grim... wrote:
I wish Craster had left some girls for the rest of us.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:01 
User avatar
Unpossible!

Joined: 27th Jun, 2008
Posts: 38464
Also my friend my motivation's clear.
I'll take any chance I see to rhyme until it is New Year.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:03 
SupaMod
User avatar
Commander-in-Cheese

Joined: 30th Mar, 2008
Posts: 49232
I'm rather assuming DP has to post in rhyme, rather than him just being really, really bored.

_________________
GoddessJasmine wrote:
Drunk, pulled Craster's pork, waiting for brdyime story,reading nuts. Xz


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:07 
User avatar
Unpossible!

Joined: 27th Jun, 2008
Posts: 38464
Should not an elf be tasked to bring,
A little festive cheer?
It's better than a bell to ring,
But not as good as beer.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:08 

Joined: 7th Nov, 2008
Posts: 2306
Cras Kringle wrote:
I'm rather assuming DP has to post in rhyme, rather than him just being really, really bored.

Possible secret role then wonder if he has a night action?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:10 

Joined: 7th Nov, 2008
Posts: 2306
Cras Kringle wrote:
Nobody has a single reason to defend any other person on Day 1 except for people in a team.

Exactly why the lack of people defending Kovac implies he is not Mafia. He was on 9 votes including mine so could have been killed off which to me shows that he is not mafia.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:11 

Joined: 7th Nov, 2008
Posts: 2306
Silent night, Nikachu, Cras, Zaphod all voted for Kovac in quick succession. I am going to say one of them is Mafia.

From the above Cras you were the quickest to reply thus that's the reason I voted for you.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:14 
User avatar
Unpossible!

Joined: 27th Jun, 2008
Posts: 38464
gospvg wrote:
Cras Kringle wrote:
I'm rather assuming DP has to post in rhyme, rather than him just being really, really bored.

Possible secret role then wonder if he has a night action?

No secret to my witty rhymes,
I just wanted to give good times!
These little ditty are a cinch,
But I'll stop it for you, GRINCH!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:14 
User avatar
Unpossible!

Joined: 27th Jun, 2008
Posts: 38464
gospvg wrote:
Cras Kringle wrote:
I'm rather assuming DP has to post in rhyme, rather than him just being really, really bored.

Possible secret role then wonder if he has a night action?

No secret to my witty rhymes,
I just wanted to give good times!
These little ditty are a cinch,
But I'll stop it for you, GRINCH!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:15 
SupaMod
User avatar
Commander-in-Cheese

Joined: 30th Mar, 2008
Posts: 49232
gospvg wrote:
Cras Kringle wrote:
Nobody has a single reason to defend any other person on Day 1 except for people in a team.

Exactly why the lack of people defending Kovac implies he is not Mafia. He was on 9 votes including mine so could have been killed off which to me shows that he is not mafia.


YOU'RE DEFENDING HIM!

_________________
GoddessJasmine wrote:
Drunk, pulled Craster's pork, waiting for brdyime story,reading nuts. Xz


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:17 
SupaMod
User avatar
Est. 1978

Joined: 27th Mar, 2008
Posts: 69509
Location: Your Mum
:facepalm:

_________________
Grim... wrote:
I wish Craster had left some girls for the rest of us.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:25 

Joined: 7th Nov, 2008
Posts: 2306
Cras Kringle wrote:
gospvg wrote:
Cras Kringle wrote:
Nobody has a single reason to defend any other person on Day 1 except for people in a team.

Exactly why the lack of people defending Kovac implies he is not Mafia. He was on 9 votes including mine so could have been killed off which to me shows that he is not mafia.


YOU'RE DEFENDING HIM!


Nope I'm happy to vote for him & did just want to see the reactions of some other players to my suggestions. It is always good to see the reactions for the town to help decide on future lynches.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:28 
SupaMod
User avatar
Commander-in-Cheese

Joined: 30th Mar, 2008
Posts: 49232
No, you're really defending him.

_________________
GoddessJasmine wrote:
Drunk, pulled Craster's pork, waiting for brdyime story,reading nuts. Xz


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:29 

Joined: 7th Nov, 2008
Posts: 2306
2pm is the end of day one so we only have a few more hours to decide if Kovac takes the fall or we switch to another option my suggestion would be Cras. Although I really do have a dislike for quiet players so Joans or Sharp Suit could be another option.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:30 
User avatar
Master of dodgy spelling....

Joined: 25th Sep, 2008
Posts: 22545
Location: shropshire, uk
I now look guilty as I am being defended...


I will sharpen my own noose :DD

_________________
MetalAngel wrote:
Kovacs: From 'unresponsive' to 'kebab' in 3.5 seconds


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:32 

Joined: 7th Nov, 2008
Posts: 2306
Cras Kringle wrote:
No, you're really defending him.

If I was I would not have voted for him & am happy to have the deciding vote for him again if another elf votes for him.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Xmas Scum Day One
PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:33 
SupaMod
User avatar
Est. 1978

Joined: 27th Mar, 2008
Posts: 69509
Location: Your Mum
gospvg wrote:
Although I really do have a dislike for quiet players so Joans or Sharp Suit could be another option.

But not Squirt, SDG or Jazzy? Interesting.

_________________
Grim... wrote:
I wish Craster had left some girls for the rest of us.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 209 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search within this thread:
You are using the 'Ted' forum. Bill doesn't really exist any more. Bogus!
Want to help out with the hosting / advertising costs? That's very nice of you.
Are you on a mobile phone? Try http://beex.co.uk/m/
RIP, Owen. RIP, MrC.

Powered by a very Grim... version of phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group.