Be Excellent To Each Other

No button pushing from me!

I agree with

Slightly Green-I think good
Grim...-I think good, if not good then harmless unless he's lying about being blocked which I suppose is possible.
sdg-I'm good but there's nothing to confirm that for the rest of you
thevision-quiet. No idea so a suspect.
Mr Russell-as above. Suspect.
Malc-possible link with kov according to someone earlier. No idea. Suspect.
Saturnalian-I don't know but I think good?
nickachu-quiet. No idea so suspect.
Mr Dave-I don't know, suspect but less so than others.
KovacsC-suspect.
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So my list if people I'd vote for today is Kovacs, nick, Malc, MrRussell or TheVision.
Anyone else got thoughts or lists?

Except for that ruggedly handsome Kov chap, he looks innocent to me

I've read SDGs post and I promise not to press any buttons this evening.

I am happy to vote for anyone, that is not me

I FOS Sat and Nic, so will go either way!

kovacsc: 1 (nickachu)
saturnalian: 2 (KovacsC, Grim...)

Not voted: 7 (slightly green, sdg, thevision, mr russell, malc, saturnalian, mr dave)

With 10 players alive, 6 votes are required for a lynch, and 6 nolynch votes are required to not lynch anybody.

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I am happy not to press buttons.

Unless SDG is bad, and no button pushing will stop any role blocks?

Grimm if you weren't blocked last night who was?

It could be SDG as she has asked for no buttons to be pressed.

Finger of suspicion sounds like a gay euphemism.

I Agree not to press any buttons.

Slightly green was roleblocked last night. Maybe one more also. (Incidentally, it turns out that someone totally changed time and I wasn't actually blocked yesterday, despite hints to the contrary. Buttons these days...)

We certainly have at least one more person from Crasters talky group remaining, who provided the list to them all. It's something of a hope that he has the same win condition as seemingly everyone else, so I do feel a bit uneasy. But frankly, I'm not exactly swimming in ideas nor do I particularly trust the mob rule to pick out the correct choice.

1) if I was blocked last night (which I wasn't) it would surely actually prove I was good, since someone carried out a kill action last night?!
2) I am articulating a request that Mr Dave made, only I am attempting to make it as clear as possible with agreement from everybody, because how can you test a hypothesis when you can't be sure all participants are aware of the test.

I am just putting ideas out there.

But can you trust that people will tell the truth?

Also something occours to me, there's not been any more mention of the purple rooms.

I thought it might mean cult. But I don't think so.

There was some mention of protection, but didn't curio die with a purple room?

Last night my room turned purple!

Malc

"Nothing is true, everything is permitted." Springs to mind

oki, I am happy to go button free for the night

As malc said how can you trust people not to push any buttons, if we have a serial killer with a win condition of kill x people they are going to keep killing and not say they did anything. Best off trying to find out who the person arranging the killing is and voting them off otherwise they have a free night with no chance of being roleblocked or their target protected. So [vote:sgd] for this simply ridiculous proposition.

We need to consider what the worst that can happen if someone does push a button. If there is a kill role, the only reason they would have to kill is if their win condition is anything other than survive. So far there has been literally nothing to suggest that is the case.
If it is the case, worst case scenario we lose someone overnight and tomorrow starts with the remaining people knowing that there is a killer with a different win condition to get rid of.
If its not the case, we all survive and all win!
For you to be so against it makes me wonder if the cult members have a different win condition because townies have to survive, and if there is a person who has to acheive a set number of kills then they would surely agree in public but then kill overnight anyway. But if you are a cult member, and you do have a different win condition (such as recruit x number of people) then it is still in your best interest to have an attempt at this because it gives the cult another night to agree in public not to button press but then recruit in the night, which doesn't harm my win condition so I'm completely ambivalent to it. The only reason the cult would be against it in fact would be if their win condition was something like 'have a majority', and they had lost their recruit ability as in that instance they would need to get rid of people to get that majority.
Another thing, people who are 100% certain about their night role, and are an investigator or roleblocker, can press away. The reason I suggest a total button amnesty is in case someone is killing by accident.
One final thing-this wasn't my initial idea Nick. It was Mr Daves the previous day but clearly a lot of people skim read it/missed it/misunderstood it. I'm just trying to spell it out and see what people think. I personally think its worth a try (this isn't a normal situation, we have just assumed we have to vote people out but all we were told was survive!)

My win condition is survive, and having a killer in our midst and not doing anything about it is dodgy enough in my mind. Trying to get rid of the killer is our best bet. If we just don't do anything during the day then they have the night to keep picking us off. Which they will keep doing (I mean why wouldn't they). Sitting around not doing anything isn't going to help the town one bit. If we have a cult that can still recruit then why wouldn't they recruit, if we have a killer than can kill, why wouldn't they kill when the roleblocker may have agreed to not doing anything overnight.

It just makes no sense to me. Our best bet is attack.

But look at the evidence nick! The number of kills each night and the roles we appear to have suggest no serial killer, and Craster told us his win condition was survive which presumably is true for all the mafia. If that's the case, there is literally no point in the mafia killing tonight! If they kill, the town will continue to vote until they get rid of them, which means the mafia likely doesn't survive and therefore they lose. If they don't kill, the town has no reason to vote, therefore everyone survives and everyone wins.
If the cult recruits or not it doesn't matter because the recruited people survive regardless. Do you get it? It's worth a try, this is not a normal scenario.

We can't assume that everyones win condition is survive though, it's highly likely that some people are lying. And their win condition is something else. Who knows!

I have no buttons to press, so I agree to the plan in theory.

However, loads of people pressed buttons on night 1 and nobody died, so the 'if everyone survives' thing seems a bit suspect.

Unless yours and Nicks buttons were along the lines of a blanket block to stop ALL night actions, hence only one use... just a idea

I said as much on day 2(?).

I just think we're throwing away our power to lynch by sitting back and doing nothing.

A night of no kills after multiple players attempting kills, blocks, protects and who knows what is not the same as a night of no kills because of a consensus amongst all players to not kill and to survive. If the latter takes place, the game ends with us all winners because there would be no intention to kill. In the first example though the intention to kill appeared to be there even if the act wasn't successful.

I said as much on day 2(?).

I just think we're throwing away our power to lynch by sitting back and doing nothing.[/quote]Sometimes people are their own worst enemy.

Really, the plan is to only ask the bad guys to do nothing overnight, as everyone else has no kill powers. So I'm in.

And we can trust the bad guys?

The only power we have is to lynch, and no one seems to want to do that.

At the moment. There is only Grim and myself willing to do something to aid the town.

The not vote never ends well fro the town does it?

mainly because I don't have the foggiest on who is a bad guy, and I am a investigator. Being a investigator who only finds out what a room numbers occupant does is pretty useless without a list of rooms to occupants.

So say I investigate room 73 and find it has a mafia in it, who do we vote for as I have no idea who is in room 73.

I know that not a single person has claimed to have any other win condition than survive, yes it is possible that their are other win conditions out there but Cras claimed to have the survive condition even though he was mafia. Is it not worth a shot to try to have one nights inaction to see if that ends this rather than taking a pot shot at a list when we really don't have a solid idea on who is who.

If we do lynch then most likely outcome is we get rid of another townie, which then makes it easier for the killer to clean up.

Now I am not sure how we can gain more info in the game as our list guy got killed

If the no vote/no night action thing doesn't work then we are one more good guy down tomorrow and have a slightly better shot at hitting the killer, so I don't see how us trying this idea would be a massive problem for us

We don't know. That's kind of the point of the experiment, I'd say. It'd be nice if it works out, certainly. Failing that, there's probably a lot of information to be gained from today if not, if you attempt to think about probable motivations.

I think it has already been said.

We have not lynched on more than 1 day, and the 'experiment' still continues.

We can't trust any one not to press buttons today/night...

Are you a bad guy?

My win condition is survive. I take that as me to survive, not 100% sure it means for all you lot to survive.

We have 3 hours, lets not waste a day. Again!

As indicated at the beginning of the day, if I were to vote for any one, it'd be you (kovacs)

Your bloodthirst is hardly changing my mind.

good point, I know I am not a bad guy

I don't see how us trying it is a bad thing, and I believe that ultimately it is paranoia that is killing us all at the moment. If everyone does have the survive win condition then no one has a reason to press a button tonight.

Kovacs seems to be very blood thirsty and that seems a little worrying to me.

Just to be clear I am not going to vote today and will not press a button tonight. Its worth a shot in my book

Interesting choice Players.

You have till 10am Saturday to send me your night actions.