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Malc · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 13:50

And the clincher for that would be that one of SG/Kalmar/Bobby would be Grim..'s contact and conduit.

Malc

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 13:51

Agreed, we should totally kill malc74.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11843

I don't know how to link to a post in a locked thread, but it is on page 4:

Grim... wrote:

ue Feb 05, 2013 4:24 pm

Quote:

MaliA wrote:
The cop who had it the wrong way got the result of TOWN for grim...

Which you felt the need to point out before he'd even said what the result was.

MaliA wrote:
This emans Grim..'s win condition is not the town.

Not a secret.

MaliA wrote:
His win condition is to survive any way he can.

No it's not. Do you even read other people's posts?

MaliA wrote:
Grim.. can become invincible for an evening,

No I can't. Jesus Christ!

MaliA wrote:
We will know this as he won't speak the next day.

I won't speak again ever.

MaliA wrote:
So he could change to mafia, and not tell us, and then when it is all over he will laugh his big silly laugh at us as we all beleived he would help us.

This is true, but fortunately there's not so many of them left now. Or, worryingly, I could change to you.

MaliA wrote:
My win condition is the town.

Is it arse.

MaliA wrote:
Just like Slightly green's, bobby and kalmar's.

Just repeating what a dead person says doesn't make you a good guy, you know.

kalmar · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 13:55

Oh, good spot bobby.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11843

Also, we have no method of knowing if Grim... has ascended or is just being quiet.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 13:58

We should light a candle, all hold hands, close our eyes and chant "ilam ilam ilam".

kalmar · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 13:58

It would be interesting if his conduit pipes up. Presumably they would if they were Town.

Slightly Green · **Joined:** 26th Aug, 2010 **Posts:** 2069

lol, am liking the mud throwing.

I am the 2nd Lover, would be very strange for no one over the last 3 days not counter claiming. Because of this and Malia knowing I am the second lover (he was told by Trooper), I KNOW that he has access to the dead thread.

Since I trust that MaliA has information from the dead thread and Grim has corroborated this then Bobby and Kalmar have Town win conditions.

Bobby if you are town then that is a good indicator for you that this is accurate, same for Kalmar.

Interesting idea that Grim... and MaliA may be on the same side, that would be classic....Could Grim be the necromancer that turned Malia?

With the way Malc is trying to muddy the waters I have a BIG FoS on him, in fact [vote:Malc]

Malc · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 14:01

Slightly Green wrote:

lol, am liking the mud throwing.

I am the 2nd Lover, would be very strange for no one over the last 3 days not counter claiming. Because of this and Malia knowing I am the second lover (he was told by Trooper), I KNOW that he has access to the dead thread.

Since I trust that MaliA has information from the dead thread and Grim has corroborated this then Bobby and Kalmar have Town win conditions.

Bobby if you are town then that is a good indicator for you that this is accurate, same for Kalmar.

Interesting idea that Grim... and MaliA may be on the same side, that would be classic....Could Grim be the necromancer that turned Malia?

With the way Malc is trying to muddy the waters I have a BIG FoS on him, in fact [vote:Malc]

With that I think SG, Grim... and Malia are the cartel.

[vote:Grim...]

Malc

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 14:03

Right, malc74, I will lynch you tomorrow, as this is dead suspicious as I am not in a cartel with SG or grim... and I think this sort of thing is wrong. trying to kill me is wrong.

[vote:malc] it isn't malc 74, but we will get there one day.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 14:04

and malc has not complained about any ailments of late, either. So maybe he foudn a DOCTOR! DOCTOR EVIL!

kalmar · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 14:05

Slightly Green wrote:

lol, am liking the mud throwing.

I am the 2nd Lover, would be very strange for no one over the last 3 days not counter claiming. Because of this and Malia knowing I am the second lover (he was told by Trooper), I KNOW that he has access to the dead thread.

Since I trust that MaliA has information from the dead thread and Grim has corroborated this then Bobby and Kalmar have Town win conditions.

Bobby if you are town then that is a good indicator for you that this is accurate, same for Kalmar.

Interesting idea that Grim... and MaliA may be on the same side, that would be classic....Could Grim be the necromancer that turned Malia?

With the way Malc is trying to muddy the waters I have a BIG FoS on him, in fact [vote:Malc]

Heh, I was just about to post something along these lines. Everything Malc has posted today has seemed opposite what I believe is true, as a townie.

I'm going to change vote to him for now as I'll have to be quiet for a bit. [vote:Malc]

FWIW I stick by my thinking of yesterday that MaliA and Grim... should both be kept in the picture for now - I guess we have no say with Grim... any more though.

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11843

plus morte, that would be 4 cartel members, that seems a bit high with a kidnapper and a mafia as well. Plus, see my analysis above.

However, you are right, malia and Grim.. could have made the whole thing up and Grim...'s ascension effectively buys him time with the possibility that we forget about him and he wins.

hmm

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38467

Malc wrote:

With that I think SG, Grim... and Malia are the cartel.

[vote:Grim...]

Malc

Well, shit.

:blown:

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 14:07

yes bobby I said that and everyone ignored it. Everyone who was evil, like what i said who was where. Evil.

VOTE MALC FOR CLEANSING THE TOWN OF MAFIA AND THEN VOTE FOR THE OTHER MALC (MALC74).

kalmar · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 14:07

Grim... seemed to be arguing from the heart at least.. Dunno. Laters.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38467

We should bare in mind that is Grim... can't speak, he can't vote.

Malc · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 14:16

I think he's chosing not to speak, and I think he's doing that so people won't vote for him

I could be wrong about the cartel thing, but I still think Grim... is bad.

I stopped complaining about my ailments because I couldn't be bothered any more. :shrug:

I am a goodie, but everything I am saying is pure speculation.

I will say that I was correct about the kidnappers 100% correct, in that there was a kidnapper and an FBI of course that does not prove I am bad or good or not.

Malc

Slightly Green · **Joined:** 26th Aug, 2010 **Posts:** 2069

Quote:

Blind Scum 3 Day 5

VOTE UPDATE

grim...: 1 (Malc)
malia: 1 (Malc74)
malc: 3 (MaliA, kalmar, Slightly Green)

Not voted: 5 (grim..., nickachu, bobbyaro, davpaz, thevision)

With 10 players alive, 6 votes are required for a lynch, and 6 nolynch votes are required to not lynch anybody.

http://www.beexcellenttoeachother.com/counter/

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38467

I know I'm flailing around aimlessly here but [vote:malc] as I have little to go on.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38467

Let's see if anyone else comes along...

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 14:35

Hopefully malc74 wil come along and show us how TOTALLY NOT EVIL he is by voting for his mafia buddy.

Malc · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 14:39

When I'm gone think about what you've done.

Think long and hard about it, because you're all edging to a Cartel win.

Everyone seems to be saying "Mafia this, and mafia that" The real problem is the cartel, and they are going to win, becuase people think I'm muddying the waters!

Malc

Malc · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 14:43

I look forward to talking to Grim... and Malia in the deadthread soon (yeah right)

Malc

Slightly Green · **Joined:** 26th Aug, 2010 **Posts:** 2069

If Grim... can't talk today then he can't vote, doesn't that make getting a lynch pretty had with so many factions? Should Grim... be on the playerlist today? Vote wise that is

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 15:06

DavPaz wrote:

I know I'm flailing around aimlessly here but [vote:malc] as I have little to go on.

You have my lsit saying he is one of the potentially dodgy ones. that's good to go on.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38467

I think the vote count today will pretty much reveal the remaining factions.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 15:09

DavPaz wrote:

I think the vote count today will pretty much reveal the remaining factions.

And will my lists. I don't feel I am getting enough recognition for all the hard work I have done preparing the town for its survival. I'm like, I dunno, awesome, or something.

MALI MALI MALI

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38467

So... we should vote for you?

Malc · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 15:12

Slightly Green wrote:

If Grim... can't talk today then he can't vote, doesn't that make getting a lynch pretty had with so many factions? Should Grim... be on the playerlist today? Vote wise that is

The fact that he is on the playerlist means that he can vote, which means he was talking bollocks yesterday

Malc

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 15:15

Malc wrote:

Slightly Green wrote:

If Grim... can't talk today then he can't vote, doesn't that make getting a lynch pretty had with so many factions? Should Grim... be on the playerlist today? Vote wise that is

The fact that he is on the playerlist means that he can vote, which means he was talking bollocks yesterday

Malc

Or, our creator is a sillybilly.

kalmar · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 15:33

MaliA wrote:

Malc wrote:

Slightly Green wrote:

If Grim... can't talk today then he can't vote, doesn't that make getting a lynch pretty had with so many factions? Should Grim... be on the playerlist today? Vote wise that is

The fact that he is on the playerlist means that he can vote, which means he was talking bollocks yesterday

Malc

Or, our creator is a sillybilly.

Or it means he was left on the player list so we can still vote for him, but removed from the forum's villagers list which lets him post.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 16:25

Thevision is looking dodgy for not voting off EVIL DOERS.

TheVision · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 16:31

That's because I don't know who the evil doers are? You're all confusing me too much...

Plus, I've been kidnapped. Show some sympathy to my plight.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 16:34

I am very sorry you were kidnapped.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38467

You are showing the classic signs of staying quiet to avoid suspicion.

TheVision · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 16:47

The classic signs of being kidnapped to avoid being voted for you mean?

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 16:49

TheVision wrote:

The classic signs of being kidnapped to avoid being voted for you mean?

It's a bold tactic, for sure, brian.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38467

TheVision wrote:

The classic signs of being kidnapped to avoid being voted for you mean?

But *were* you kidnapped? HUH?

Oh wait. Yes, you were.

HOW CONVENIENT

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 16:55

Oh, yeah, mr TheVision isn't the necromancer, btw. Almost forgot that. neither is sdg, but that doesn't matter right now.

Malc · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 20:06

OK,

I have looked at the rules again.

And we have 1 Mafia don and 1 mafia lackey, but 2 forbidden lovers and 4 vanilla townies

So, all the stuff I said before is obviously rubbish.

Also No one has counter claimed the forbidden lover role.

So hmmm.

I'm still finding it hard to see where all these roles go.

Malc

Malc · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 20:14

Ok, the mafia don role mentions a goon, so I think there are 3 levels of Mafianess

Don, goon, lackey, it also suggest that there might be 3 levels of cartlel too.

I can imagine there are 1-2 goons in the mafia and the same for the cartel.

But would there really be 2 lots of 4 baddies? or 2 lots of 3 baddies?

Malc

Malc · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 20:23

2 lots of 4 baddies would = 10 baddies out of 20 (4 mafia, 4 cartel, 1 cult, 1 hypnotist)

That would leave 10 goodies

4 vanilla townies
1 FBI
1 Good cop
1 Rubbish cop
1 amatuer psychic
2 lovers

so out of these 10 potential baddies we know 2 mafia, 1 implied mafia, 1 cartel, 2 implied cartels, 1 cult, 1 hypnotist

that leaves at most 2 roles that might be something else if there are not 2 goons for each of the mafia and cartel

Malc

Malc · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 20:30

So, if we believe Malia and Grim... there are 2 other roles to consider

I can imagine that if there are 2 baddie groups (mafia and cartel) that can't grow in size, there are also 2 baddie groups that can. (cult and zombies).

Which makes me worry about Grim, and malia's group that can read the dead thread.

So, I don't really know what's going on.

What I do think though is that Malia and Grim... are both baddies on the same side, so my vote stands, but I may consider changing to malia if it gathers momentum.

Malc

Bobbyaro · **Joined:** 18th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 11843

Bobbyaro wrote:

Analysis, I am ignoring kidnaps, they have been sorted out, it was SDG.

Day one:
Cult leader killed
Night one:
2 killls, both shot

Day 2:
Mafia Don killed (-1 mafia)
Night 2:
1 kill - shot

Day 3:
Nothing
Night 3:
2 kills - both shot, (-1 mafia)

Day 4:
1 kill - (-1 Cartel)
Night 4:
1 kill

This suggests to me that the mafia are gone and the cartel are the bad guys left (there was a lackey, there is probably a Don)

It also suggests that MaliA was resurrected as he claimed - it does not resolve whether he is a Town zombie or not.

Thoughts?

Hello? Is this thing on?

Malc · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 20:47

I'm suggesting there is a goon for the mafia and perhaps for the cartel too (maybe 2?)

Malc

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 20:48

Or they were bith targetting the same person. I think we should lynch malc.

kalmar · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 20:54

Yes Bobby, I was assuming two Mafia was the lot, and there's at least 1 more Cartel.

Has Malc gone mental.

Malc · **Posted:** Thu Feb 07, 2013 21:16

kalmar wrote:

Yes Bobby, I was assuming two Mafia was the lot, and there's at least 1 more Cartel.

Has Malc gone mental.

Why do the rules mention a goon?

If the lackies have no night actions, how do the kills get done?

There must be at least one more mafia, and I would suggest 2 more cartel members

Malc

Slightly Green · **Joined:** 26th Aug, 2010 **Posts:** 2069

kalmar wrote:

Yes Bobby, I was assuming two Mafia was the lot, and there's at least 1 more Cartel.

Has Malc gone mental.

I suspect Malc is getting desperate and trying to throw as much confusion around as he can

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