Be Excellent To Each Other

I've not studied all Crasters posts the way I have Grim...s lol
to be fair to craster, he isn't the only one who has menioned me or albino but I included him because Grim... Directly responded. If I'm right about Grim... Then I'd be inclined to believe craster isn't in cahoots with him because it is too risky. More likely someone else has commented with the same sentiments as Grim... but the two haven't directly swapped idea or agreed in this thread.
Look, I'm willing to say, if I'm wrong, take me as a free target tomorrow. I might not even survive the night but hat could be helpful as well for you guys to look at who has been against me, as that would make them your next target for lynch if I die during the night.

I was suspicious of you and albino because of what you were saying, not because you were saying stuff. I had no reason to vote for anybody because (a) I was going to be around for quite a while, so there was no hurry, and (b) because I wasn't hugely convinced by anything I was saying.
Also, you've got some facts mixed up there.
1) "Grim...s reaction was to ask why I was voting for the quiet people" - I actually said "Not going for the quiet people any more, SDG?"
2) "I thought this odd since I had given reasons for my vote quite clearly in my earlier posts." - You said "Ok, so Dave didn't have any hard facts yesterday since there is no way he could have known anything" and then went on to vote for Kalmar because MrDave did. Hardly 'clear'.
And while we're using meta-data: 3) "He was drawing attention to the fact that the three of us were all acting as we normally act during these types of thing" - I've never played with either you or AB1n0kid before, and besides, that makes no difference.

If I was so desperate for Morte to be gone, why wouldn't I vote for him (or at least agree with you) during the first course? And if you assume that I'm a crasher, how is it to my advantage to vote off a guy that never says anything?


We don't have enough courses left to get it wrong. There's a (small) chance that if you lynch a guest today we'll lose the game.

Well, that puts Mr Russell in a better light, but he could still just as easily be a crasher, the bored guest or the jealous ex, or even the bride or groom.

What I'm trying to say is that it doesn't rule him out of anything.

He can tell us who is on the list (a short list) but can we trust him? He could just show us the list of course...

As for others, well I'm not sure really. I think because of the win conditions of the crashers it makes it much harder to ferret them out. As they don't have to actually do anything, I guess if we were to correctly pick one of them, then they might defend them. But who knows.

Malc

I don't think it really says that to be honest. I could be persuaded to vote for Grim... though, I thought his day 1 approach was fishy and the first vote I actually cast in this game was for him, and having had my eye on him quietly I can see some sense in everything Gill says. I'm still just too suspicious of Craster to change my vote right now though.

Oh, and in before wails of "Albino and Gill are agreeing now, they must realise we saw through their plan to attack each other yesterday ZOMG theymustbe CR4$H3R$"

Because ANY lynch that isn't a crasher is a good thing for you of course.

Granted. I figure that a no-lynch would actually be best for a crasher, but 'quietest guest' has got to be way low on the list.

VOTE UPDATE

grim...: 2 (Craster, superdupergill)
craster: 3 (myp, TheAlbin0Kid, kalmar)

Not voted: 7 (kovacsc, grim..., malc, mr chris, mr dom, mr russell, runcle)

With 12 players alive, 7 votes are required for a lynch, and 9 nolynch votes are required to not lynch anybody.

http://www.beexcellenttoeachother.com/counter/

Hmm, well I am quite suspicious of the fact that Grim... didn't want to be going for a quiet one on day 1 (didn't vote for Morte, as he said) and then seemed all for it after that, and now doesn't again.

And I can't decide whether that's misdirection or a guest not knowing who to trust.

A rebuttal would be most welcome.

I've just looked through the list of players, and concluded that there are only 2 other people aside from myself that I'm not suspicious of and wouldn't be happy to vote for. I have alarm bells going off over a handful of quiet ones now; I don't think yesterday's approach of hitting a quiet one was a bad one, you just picked the stupidly silent one who could never be a crasher because his buddies would have stirred him into at least saying something. So with an eye on the overly quiet ones who haven't been discussed yet, I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts on:

Kovacs, Runcle, Mr Dom

I'm loving the fact that although eight people voted for Morte it was all 'my fault'. That's the only thing I find suss about Craster, really, the whole "If this is wrong, I suggest we look closely at Grim... tomorrow." (and then the immediate vote as this course started). Sets up some nice safe padding for him (and everyone else, of course), especially as he would know Morte was a guest if he was a crasher.

I'm not massively convinced, though, and I really think we need to be.

I agree with Grim...'s FOSing of Craster, after reading all this lot plus the end of the last course. I are still suspishus of 1209823087423906321098 though, on general principles.

I have to say, this is the chief reason why I am more suspicious of Craster than of Grim... Despite appearances, Craster isn't actually a berk, and so to employ the universally bunkum logic of "X wanted to lynch Y and Y turned out to be good so X must be bad" either makes him an utter plonker or a bad guy, and in games like this I don't put him in the plonker category. Also, it is entirely fitting with his character to want to "hide in plain sight" given that the best approach for crashers is to stay under the radar... his tendency to want to be too clever for his own good is what should cost him again here.

My vote probably isn't moving today.

I didn't say I didn't want to go for a quiet one on the (er) zeroth course, it's just a crap-shoot anyway. I did say I wasn't suspicious of Mr Dave, but then I wasn't really suspicious of anybody. I spent most of the first course voting for Myp purely because he said I was a bad DJ
When we started the first course we didn't really have any information to go on, and (as I said then) it was better for us to lose a quiet guest than a loud one. And today? I certainly wouldn't rule out going for someone quiet as I still think it's the best sort of guest to lose. I don't know what I've said to make you think otherwise. However, we've now got a little more to go on, at least.

And to appease Gill, here's some money where my mouth is:
[vote: craster]

Well then based upon the evidence available to me at this time I'm going to [vote:Craster]

VOTE UPDATE

grim...: 2 (Craster, superdupergill)
craster: 5 (myp, TheAlbin0Kid, kalmar, Grim..., Mr Russell)

Not voted: 5 (kovacsc, malc, mr chris, mr dom, runcle)

With 12 players alive, 7 votes are required for a lynch, and 9 nolynch votes are required to not lynch anybody.

http://www.beexcellenttoeachother.com/counter/

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's not rush this. [vote:unvote]

I'm all for lynching Craster, but this is gathering pace a bit too much for my liking.

Slow down, folks!
We've got a long while yet, and we really need to be sure about this.

Hi5 myp
I would unvote but I'm pretty sure Gill would hold it against me

Much as I hate finding myself agreeing with the AlbanianFlid down there at the other end of the room on his little person's table, [vote: Craster].

Get it wrong, and we probably lose overnight, folks.

What would a crasher say, eh?

It gets well Kafka-esque here.

Nah. It's possible, but that would involve having five crashers, right? So hardly probable.

I am here and not a crasher or the nasty guest or ex....

Just had a lot of work to do today & performance review, so having my HR boss in means web surfing is limited..


I think there are merits for both suggestions today.

So I take it Craster is not on Mr Russels list, does that mean Grim... is?

Nope, this is our third lynch of six, right? Meaning if we get this wrong, we only have 3 lynches left to get the crashers and the ex. I don't think there are four crashers, but I'm guessing there's more than two.

I'm all for being sure about who we nail after this course, but that statement's just not true.

I thought it was four, not including this one?
We vote on courses 3,4,5 and 6.

There's no point whatsoever in Russell not telling us. The crashers already know who the guests are.

This is true, of course.

RUSSELL. SPEAK.

I said that earlier, but everyone ignored me.

Curio said it was six courses - does that mean course 0 doesn't count as a course then?

There's no point whatesoever in Russeell not telling us. The crashers already know who the guests ar.

That's what I figured, otherwise it would have been named course 1 and involved food?

I think we may need some godlike clarification

Heh.

However, bear in mind what I did say:

I mean, he could end up (inadvertently) protecting the reckless guest.

That's a slim chance, and the reckless guest isn't that big a threat, is he?

I need to read the rules, don't I?

The serial killer doesn't know who the guest is, and if that's the bride or groom or best man, we could lose.

But if people think it's worth it I will post the name.

Might be a good idea, yes. The reckless guest could become an extra crasher, and we barely have enough courses left to eliminate them as it is. By this point if the RG becomes a crasher, I think we lose.

Calm down people!

Please someone agree with me! If we take out Grim... I promise I am right and it implicates some people and clears others.
If I'm wrong, it implicates me and those I have now decided I trust such as Mr Russell(because he would never have mentioned the list after seeing it if bad). And albino because he has been implicated by the same people who are after me. So if I'm wrong, you have three suspects for baddys! Surel that makes up for he risk!
Sorry for typos etc in a rush- will reply to comments made directly to me when I get a chance.
Oh also, I didn't say Grim... Was the crasher.

Ah, that's a point. Whoever Russell names will automatically get hit by the SK, you'd think.

Is that a role claim there?

Malc?

It's not really changing the odds much tho is it?

Malc

Erm, what's going on now? I'm confused.

a role claim as a bloody guest, yes. Look, I really feel like this is the one time I am being really right about something, and even if I'm not then look how much info we get from it! Who is Grim... voting for now? If he is bad, they aren't. Everyone I have sided with is probably bad if I'm wrong. And we get to analayse everything I've said if I'm wrong or everything Grim... has said if im right.

Even if you dont trust me, surely you can see this is worth it for what is gained even if im a baddy(the worst bloody baddy ever if i am, the way im going on)

If we were really all in the same room right now, I'd be smashing bottles and stamping my feet to get everyone to bloody acknowledge im speaking sense right now.

oh also i might die as a result of this because Ive been really clever so that is info as well. If I die and you lot lynch craster instead of grim... I'll be bloody raging.

So, do you know who the bride or groom or best man is, then?

You're so cute when you're angry.

Thanks shnookums.

Oh.

oh, also dont tell people what you know mr russell, the serial killer will get the name which is bad and the crashers wont like us having someone we can trust so will try to kill them as well(thats why grim.... is so eager you tell us, cos he's a baddy.)

The SK is going to go for someone, If we don't thet SK or the crashers we are snookered... yes..