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be like that then

If the company are trying to kill me they're not killing anyone else, are they?

Don't the company want the marines dead though? Isn't that what they are trying to do? Hang on, I need to read the rules again.

Yeah, the company need to kill the marines and outnumber the colonists. So they can let the aliens kill everyone else off as long as one of them is still alive at the end, I guess.

FoS right there - if you were a regular colonist you would be paying more attention to what the rules for us & the marines say.

ok.. so is grim.. telling the truth?
My thoughts...
The facehugger claim on top is odd - if anyone else were facehugged then they could counterclaim.
But - it is interesting that it was an attempt on a marine and so failed (so we wont lynch him which would happen if anyone else got it). Or Grim could have been facehugged for real and is pretending that it is all ok as he is a Marine, but this makes no sense as if he wanted to hide it he could just keep schtum.
Or he could be trying to force a counterclaim to draw out a real Marine so they can be killed off, and I guess the marine with the big gun would be a prime target to call out.
Hmmm....

So - I'm gonna wait for a bit & see if any more info is forthcoming before voting, but my gut instinct is to believe him at this moment.

/Stops gibbering in the corner

Quite, it all boils down to whether or not you believe Grimms roleclaim.
If you do then you have to believe that the marines have investigated and discovered SDGs faction.

I'm off to sit in the corner muttering to myself and have a bit of a thunk.

The marines have an RB and an Investigate.

If they RB'd Gill then her night action got nerfed... but since the Facehug failed anyway due to being aimed at a marine, there's no way of knowing if the RB did anything.

So that leaves them with the Investigate via the Motion Sensor, which will give the alignment of the character, which will be either Alien, Colony or Company.

So, unless there's other info imparted to them (and Bishop's won't be useful, necessarily), then I have no idea (outside of the dreaded meta-data) how they might be 75% sure of an alien.

Eh? I thought they had to secure an alien?

Yes there is - we were told about the facehugger attack, because we shot it dead. If we roleblocked the queen, there would be no facehugger to shoot.

This is basically what I said, and immediately got FOS'd and death-threatted for it


I hadn't thought of that, but surely most people would keep quiet about it, rather than face an inevitable lynch?



Yes, surely the real Marines would now be voting against him (or waiting for a vote to start against him). Err, or simply waiting to shoot him tonight. Oh well.

Goodness, they actually need to secure the queen.

So if SDG is the queen like Kalmar says, and we kill it today, the company has lost straight away?

V1.7 of the rules in 5... 4... 3...

This is very confusing and i'm not going to be around much today so i'll believe Grim...'s claim and that SDG is bad in some way and

[vote:superdupergill]

Hurrah! This is indeed what I said - that SDG is bad, although we think she's more likely to be an alien than a company chap.
Her alien chum came along and helped us out with that bit, of course.

What?

Are you implying that your "knowledge" of Gilly is based upon the fact there was a dead face hugger in your room? How does that point at Gilly? You had one of 4 roles, we know you did not kill anyone, therefore you can either shut up shop, motion track, role block or game over (effetively shut up shop). Only motion track provides you with info here, unless you get feed back from a positive RB?

Currently, I don't see the need for secrecy on Grim...s part. Bearing in mind that if he's sure of the info, he can still lie in association with other marines if telling the truth.

On the other hand, Making that as a false roleclaim is somewhat daft.

I see no reason to rush the day, though.

The only feedback from a RoleBlock is that it worked or not. No reasons why, or the role you managed to successfully block
FWIW the way I have it in my head is that the Night actions occur thusly:

RoleBlock > Investigate > FaceHugger > Kill action

If anyone disagrees with this now is the time.

No - the only knowledge that provided is that the Aliens knew who I was (well, knew I must be either Hicks, Hudson or Vasquez), and that I was in a shed-load of trouble from that point on, so we decided to get out what we suspected.

I can only see them being unsure if they roleblocked someone and the roleblock was a success.

However, that would mean that Gill is definitely not an alien, as they can only facehug or kill, and they chose to facehug (according to Grim...).

So either they used the motion sensor and are sure, or they didn't and aren't.

Either way, Grim... is lying.

Grim... - more info or I'm more likely to vote for you than SDG.

Just to throw this into the mix as it seems people are missing info from the rules.

Bishop:
.....You are immune to Facehugging – the Queen Alien will be roleblocked but will not know why.

We didn't, and we aren't. 99%, remember?


Or not, if you read the post.


/sticks Curiosity on the list

The Queen has these actions

1- Facehugger
2- Warrior a ) kill b) investigate

Only 1 per night as per rules

Huh? So you were allegedly targetted for a facehug and this proves to you that the aliens knew you were a marine? But the marines are immune to facehug as has been discussed widely these last few pages, so why would they facehug someone they knew was immune?

The queen can hug and kill in the same night?

Either you're being deliberately dumb or you are panic typing. How would the aliens know who the marines were?

99% is pretty damn sure in my book.

Yeah, we're pretty damn sure. There's only one way I can prove it, though, and I need the help of some DAC for that.

No, Grim... meant that as the facehug attempt failed the aliens would know he was a Marine, so it's better to get that information out before the aliens can abuse it to their own ends.

As it happens, it's not right, as has been pointed out there are other characters that are immune to facehugging.

Speaking of whom, it's at this point that we could really do with Bishop asking the Marines for some clarification as to what they did last night, although even if he does I can't see how he can get that information into the colony without endangering himself.

Yeah, that was bugger. We missed that entirely.


We can only say yes or no, and we can lie if we want to.

Mind you, whoever is Bishop will know that he didn't ask us anything last night. So now hopefully at least he knows I'm telling the truth.

Sorry, but you're going to have to provide a better reason than "We're sure"

Given how little Gilly posted up until you said she was guilty, I don't see any reason there. So it has to come from night action. But I can't see how it came from that either if not motion tracker.

Let's slow down a minute before we go off half-cocked here.

You're claiming you are Vasquez. Vasquez has a gun and kill action.

I just read LS's comment on page 2 - he denied Vasquez a firefight on a target because it would give the Marines too much power.

Are you saying that's how you know, you targetted Gilly and it was denied?

I doubt I am, to be honest. There's nothing else to go on, and everything I'm saying about being a marine makes good sense.
You're just going to have to trust me a little when I say "there's a good reason I'm not telling you how we know".

VOTE UPDATE

superdupergill: 3 (Grim..., Joans, zaphod79)

Not voted: 14 (bobbyaro, gazchap, johncoffey, the rev owen, superdupergill, terimahkaseh, myoptikakaka, curiosity, kalmar, morte, mr dom, mr russell, runcle, mr dave)

With 17 players alive, 9 votes are required for a lynch, and 13 nolynch votes are required to not lynch anybody.

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I have to say Grim...'s story doesn't exactly hold much weight, but Gilly's responses have not exactly been those of someone who is innocent.

Neither actually (deliberatly dumb or panic typing). I was posting from my phone so couldnt quote but i have just requistioned a laptop to fix that problem. The post you have just quoted was in response to



Gazchap obviously understood my confusion perfectly well since he has gone on to post clarification
and in his clarification points out that again you are spreading misinformation.

So in this single post I have demonstrated you quoting me without the post from yourself which made it clear what i was confused about(ie using my posts and portraying it in a certain way for your own agenda) and also making statements about the rules of the game that aren't true (only marines are immune to facehugs, when actually bishop seems to be as well.)
lets not also forget your random percentages you are flinging about.

what can i say to make it clear?!

@SDG: You're dead before Day 3, one way or another.
The only thing we don't know yet is if you'll have time to send another of your babies into the wild.

Aside:

Sure you can. There's a text [QUOTE] link next to each post on the mobile site.

@grim yeah i know there is a quote link but it is really awkward because i cant scroll through the list of previous posts and the screen is annoying to navigate and i usually mess it up and post my own new posts withing quotes.

I can understand how you were confused at Grim...'s post, but I can't understand why my clarifying what he meant inherently makes Grim... a bad guy.

Given the changes in the rules I can also understand a bit of confusion about who is immune to facehugging.

It seems fairly clear to me that, if Grim... is telling the truth, the Marines motion trackered SDG. Is there a reason why they couldn't do that? Aren't all of the Marines actions (Hicks: roleblock, Hudson: track, Vasquez: LET'S ROCK!) independent from each other?

The nay-saying against Grim...s story seems to be centred around some doubt as to whether he could know whether SDG was motion trackered?

Sorry, I am mainly getting frustrated at what is going on because i have no idea why Grim has decided I am bad and even when we are asking for clarification, all we are getting is vague assertions.

I case Bishy had any doubt about who I am, we have just answered his latest question.

But he has stated flat out that they did not motion track. He's telling the truth about one but not the other?



Err, not for me but I haven't thought that one through yet.

He hasn't answered my question last page either. If the answer to that is "yes" then I suspect he's genuine but has made a wrong conclusion. If it's no then he's lying about not using the motion tracker, or the whole thing is made up.

It's a shame Bishop has no investigating role, as he could just ask such questions as "did you know that [x] was a baddie?"
Still, if he wants to ask us "did you know [x] was Bishop?" that would probably be handy.

What about that anyway?

@everybody:

@the people I am not answering:
I am suspicious of you. I am not giving out information on purpose.

Well I think you've made a big mistake, and I'll tell you why.

Yeah, and the response is to not follow you. Simples.

Oh, and by the way, I wouldn't put too much faith in Bishop. His win condition is open ended, and can just as readily be met with you dying.