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 Post subject: Re: Hearthstone thread
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2021 22:52 
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I do not like the latest update for standard, with the extremely OP questlines. Especially the Warlock one.

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 Post subject: Re: Hearthstone thread
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I haven't played Standard since I quit last November, I had a flirt with Classic back in March but once it became clear there were no 'unicorn' decks that got old pretty quickly.

That said I do keep an eye on Hearthstone, mainly via Zeddy, Solem and to a lesser extent Trump and Regis - and I really don't miss it.

Looks like the latest expansion has added in some more horseshit that says to me Blizzard either don't playtest properly, or they don't care, or a bit of both.

I have played Legends of Runeterra every day since last November though :)

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 Post subject: Re: Hearthstone thread
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 12:33 
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I still play Battlegrounds a lot, as it's fun. And if I get one of the decent questline cards I will likely play more Standard.

Refusing to give them any money though, due to all the harassment stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: Hearthstone thread
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I guess if you're enjoying one of more of the other modes then fair enough, but for me Hearthstone was always about the main game, and then when they split it out into Standard and Wild, I enjoyed both. Never liked Arena, or Battlegrounds, or Duels, the solo adventures I'd do once for the rewards, wasn't interested in the heroic flavours, etc.

By all accounts Wild is a total bombsite these days, with no attempt being made to curate it at all, and Standard seems to follow pretty much the same pattern every expansion. Release a load of broken shit, dial some of it back with nerfs, and then ride it out until the next expansion does it all over again.

I spent quite a lot of money on the game over the years, and I don't resent that as I had a huge amount of fun with it, although looking back I probably stuck with it about a year longer than I should have.

Blizzard are a busted flush now in my eyes, WoW is fucking dreadful (I unsubscribed for what I think will be the final time about three months ago), Hearthstone I'm done with, Starcraft 2 they abandoned, and their other IPs I never really cared much for, plus they released the travesty that was/is Warcraft 3 Reforged.

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 Post subject: Re: Hearthstone thread
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Curiosity wrote:
I do not like the latest update for standard, with the extremely OP questlines. Especially the Warlock one.


Yeah , the way that one works seems broken (Warlock has 3 quests to deal damage to themselves and they get various heals as they go then any damage they deal to themselves hits you instead and you die in one turn basically).

I did turn a bunch of gold into packs but only drew a few legendaries and none to make a deck out of I'm playing mostly battlegrounds on it just now with a few standard matches at a low level to get the monthly bonuses


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 Post subject: Re: Hearthstone thread
PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2021 15:48 
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i reroll the standard weekly quest, as I only play BG, tavern brawl and arena these days


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 Post subject: Re: Hearthstone thread
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i reroll the standard weekly quest, as I only play BG, tavern brawl and arena these days


For the last batch of free passes I played a few rounds of Duels which seemed at least an interesting spin on the Tavern brawl stuff - have you tried that ?


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 Post subject: Re: Hearthstone thread
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Duels is fun, though I'm currently trying to win as every character in BG, which means I lose a lot as half of them are terrible.

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 Post subject: Re: Hearthstone thread
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Curiosity wrote:
Duels is fun, though I'm currently trying to win as every character in BG, which means I lose a lot as half of them are terrible.


I think I've got most of them now , for the terrible ones its often just worth ignoring their 'power' and just focus on the build

Although the right hero power really helps my most wins right now (after the last reballance) either come from Elementals , Murlocks or Pirates , although i will sometimes use others if the Hero power matches up or I luck into the right early draw

I have also now got to the point where the first 3 or 4 rounds can be rubbish and then I hit the right cards and can switch to another tribe reasonably well.


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 Post subject: Re: Hearthstone thread
PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 18:24 
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I never seem to get any wins with Murlocs. I have appalling luck at getting the ones that boost your health, and without them it's nigh on impossible to win, as no matter if you have them all poisonous, if they can get killed easily you're boned.

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 Post subject: Re: Hearthstone thread
PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2021 23:14 
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Curiosity wrote:
I never seem to get any wins with Murlocs. I have appalling luck at getting the ones that boost your health, and without them it's nigh on impossible to win, as no matter if you have them all poisonous, if they can get killed easily you're boned.


Yeah they are the key one you need to get - murlocks are easy enough that its

Grab all Murlocs you can
After the first few rounds any boosts should go on your warleader (s)
Always grab and use the +1/+1 to all Murloc
As you said the +2 health ones are key , but slightly later you get the +2/+2 as well
Always grab the 'extra murloc' and the poison one
Its often worth grabbing a Defender of Argus to give some of them Taunt and if midgame i have a few good goldens I will also sometimes grab the Pirate who gains +2/+2 for every other gold minion as he scales up really fast
As a lot of them work well with battlecrys if you can spare the spot a Bran is also useful (or grab a bran one turn , grab some stuff with battlecrys and then play bran / them and ditch bran again at the end of the turn for another Murloc)

Obviously the murloc hero who gets extra murloc's when you sell them is a given but the hero who gives divine shield is good for them (as you often get some with poison) or the one who gets an early Bran when you play some battlecry minions


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 Post subject: Re: Hearthstone thread
PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 0:19 
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Yeah, that seems to align with how I play; just seem to be unlucky with them. I tend to do best either with pirates or mixed minions (my two wins today). I do have a Murloc win with the Divine Shield guy... almost got one earlier with Pyramad, as his health boost works well for them, but got to the last two against the Murloc Hero and they were insanely strong, and I didn't have enough poison to kill them.

Also annoying is that one of the two wins I got today was someone who I thought I hadn't won with before, but it turns out I had done. Oops. Still, crossed 'Infinite Toki' off the list...

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 Post subject: Re: Hearthstone thread
PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 0:21 
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Mixed can be really strong if you get the Beast that does adjacent minions, the elemental with windfury and divine shield, a strong demon (like the one who gains health equal to your damage) and then a Quillboar or whatever, plus the minion that grows per different class you own, and the L6 one that adapts when you play it...and constantly boost them with the +2/+2 all minions and suchlike. Fun times.

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 Post subject: Re: Hearthstone thread
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Curiosity wrote:
Mixed can be really strong if you get the Beast that does adjacent minions, the elemental with windfury and divine shield, a strong demon (like the one who gains health equal to your damage) and then a Quillboar or whatever, plus the minion that grows per different class you own, and the L6 one that adapts when you play it...and constantly boost them with the +2/+2 all minions and suchlike. Fun times.


That's one I've never really got to work as most of the things you need there are all 'lategame' and at that point I'll be pretty much locked into a tribe

About the only 2 hero's I go mixed minions with are C'thun (since your boosting every turn whatever you had at the start you tend to stick with) and the one that gives you boosts on different tribes each turn


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 Post subject: Re: Hearthstone thread
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An interesting wild 'bug'



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 Post subject: Re: Hearthstone thread
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That's a mad combo.

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 Post subject: Re: Hearthstone thread
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Big battlegrounds update (along with others) today

No longer hidden 2 menu's deep its now 2nd in the main list
New hero's , I got to play the one that changes power every turn which can give you some nice bonuses (so you get to for example make a minion golden then switch to something else next turn)
And a ton of new cards , some seem weirdly overpowered but I've not came top in any match yet

The obvious overpowered card that i can see is the new dragon that keeps its bonuses it gets during battle (and keeps + doubles them when golden) - about turn 6 or 7 I played against someone and that dragon was already over 100 health


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 Post subject: Re: Hearthstone thread
PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 15:28 
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Mercenaries is coming, so there are now 3 different games in Hearthstone. Card game, auto chess and now a gacha style "rpg", hence the change on the menu I assume.

Mercenaries is getting absolutley slated as a concept by the hardcore fansbase on the usual reddit forums, so I expect it might actually be quite good.


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 Post subject: Re: Hearthstone thread
PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2021 16:45 
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Some of the new cards are fun. I won with a Mech deck. Combine some reborn/deathrattle mech minions with the usual one that refreshes divine shield when you summon a mech, and the new one that refreshes divine shield every time a friendly minion loses divine shield. With some good placement of minions you can basically have them swap shields for days.

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Curiosity wrote:
With some good placement of minions you can basically have them swap shields for days.





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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 19:25 
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The other insane combo is to have leapfroggers, those rat things that summon more rats, and the deathrattle multiplier.

Towards the end of the fight, I hit a rat, and it then gave another minion +80/+80... had I killed that one, it would have given the next one +240/+240 I believe.

Quite hard to combat, even with the divine shields!

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On the plus side there are lots of bits of it broken so you dont tend to get overwhelmed by one

The Dragons are broken with the one that keeps bonuses gained in combat (you regularly see ones of them at around 400 / 400) and also the early one that 2x or 4x attack on an upgrade (those tend not to have a lot of health but round 4 or 5 you get one with 80/10) - oh and the avenge minion that just hits what a dragon was about to attack for 6 points (or 12 if 2 of them) even before its attacked

Demons can be crazy , mid game you pick up the avenge card that gives you a new demon for every 3 deaths and late game you get the one that eats a tavern minion after you play a demon and the one that makes all other demons eat a tavern minion at the end of your turn

Beasts have a few crazys , yes the leapfrog , but also the demon that hands over its health + the bird that triggers a deathrattle means that after 1 or 2 attacks your facing enemies with 200 or 300 health each (and there are not a lot of poison)

Speaking of Poison - midgame you have the murlocs that buff other murlocks each time you play one , the murlocs that gain health and attack for every other murloc on the board and then the avenge one that gives all the others poison in a turn or two

Elementals have a mid game avenge buffer that seems to work out better for buffing than they had before and they can get really big for each new buy

So - if you hit one of the magic combinations you win , and there are a lot of them out there :-)


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 Post subject: Re: Hearthstone thread
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What's the best minions to surround the dragons that keep buffs? Is it some of the newer ones? There aren't many dragons that give in-fight buffs so I assume you've got to get in some other ones. I've not looked into that combo much.

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Curiosity wrote:
What's the best minions to surround the dragons that keep buffs? Is it some of the newer ones? There aren't many dragons that give in-fight buffs so I assume you've got to get in some other ones. I've not looked into that combo much.


Its the new one that retains buffs from battles , and if nothing else the one that gets a crazy bonus when you go to the next tavern level , you also want the girl that buffs a dragons health every time it gets an attack boost

https://playhearthstone.com/en-gb/battlegrounds

Image because it keeps buffs in battle

Image somewhere on the board to buff things (it also buffs in battle but the other dragons dont keep it)

Image - this is the other one to possibly buff early because when you go up a tier it either doubles or quadruples its attack (4x for golden)

Image can be crazy powerful just because you break any divine shields and it will often kill things without your minion even hitting them (deals 6 damage when gold)


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 13:14 
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Yeah, those are good dragons, but none of them will buff the one that keeps enchantments. So if you just have all those then the dragon will remain 4/4 forever. The leapfrog only buffs beasts, as do many of the beast cards... so there's the +1/+1 to all from the slimey guy, the demon that gives you its health, but there has to be more good ones for that 4/4 to be useful.

I might take a look this afternoon.

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Curiosity wrote:
Yeah, those are good dragons, but none of them will buff the one that keeps enchantments.


Sorry I thought you were asking what to stick along side this one

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Which buffs the minions next to it every turn.

Or you stick em further along and put this guy next to them

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Aha, I see!

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I remember the good old days when Hearthstone chat was about Hearthstone!

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I mean, this is about Hearthstone. Open your mind maaaaaaaaaan.

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Hearthly wrote:
I remember the good old days when Hearthstone chat was about Hearthstone!


This is Hearthstone - I open the Hearthstone program and click the second thing in the menu :-)

My last game I had a revelation which i cant believe I missed before - grabbing the minion that gets extra health when you've lost health and then killing it with the one that steals stats can get you a really big one of them with a much better attack :

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Oh yeah, I have done that demon trick a fair few times; it's just rare enough that you get enough of them at the right time, as you need to be hurt badly and need to get several of them, and have two free slots in your lineup.

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Bit disappointed that this set-up didn't win (and indeed got thrashed by the winner, who had a similar set-up but with two golden 'demons who summons a demon when they take damage' with divine shield and windfury - they were Tickatus)


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Curiosity wrote:
Oh yeah, I have done that demon trick a fair few times; it's just rare enough that you get enough of them at the right time, as you need to be hurt badly and need to get several of them, and have two free slots in your lineup.


As Mr Bigglesworth I stole one from an opponent reasonably early on and it had okay stats but I had the minion who gives you extra demons and picked up 2 in one combat to make it golden for a big boost and then killed it for an even bigger one.

For a lot of these big decks if you can get some poison in place then you can wreck them but (other than Murlocks) poison seems to be really hard to find right now


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 Post subject: Re: Hearthstone thread
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Yeah, there seem to be fewer big poison decks now, which I'm kinda fine with, and there's enough of the tier1 go boom minions to not worry about divine shield decks (other than the swappers).

Where I always struggle is knowing when to cut a minion out... like for the demon decks you likely need two 'spaces' open to allow you to cycle through demons to boost your stats, and to allow you to put in a non-golden minion from tier 6... and I get torn between cutting one out to go weaker for a couple of turns for longer term gains and not doing so... which leads to a ridiculous amount of second place finishes!

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Yeah my last 5 finishes are that firstand then 3 seconds and a third.

On that winning deck up until about 2 turns before I had the minion that gives you other demons and the one that shuffles its heath to others but cut them to get space - there can also be some real mental arithmetic needed at times to make sure you have the right number of minions / use the gold you have / have 7 minions left at the end.

The last change has shook up how the game plays a lot and its a lot of fun to play right now because so much of it can change over a few rounds


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