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Hearthstone: Journey to Un’Goro expects players to spend too much to be competitive

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Hearthstone: Journey to Un’Goro expects players to spend too much to be competitive

Hmmm. I do have 4000 dust. Maybe I should just craft some good things.

Cheers for that.

Can I not craft Kindly Grandmother?

Curiosity wrote:

Cheers for that.

Can I not craft Kindly Grandmother?

I think it was one of the special cards from the 'one night in' set of adventures - if so no you need to buy the wing that it came in

Playing Druid in Tavern Brawl for fun (and my missions are to play Druid class cards and large minions). Opposing Warrior has one big minions. I have mine full of massive ones after completing my quest. He plays Brawl, and as always, his one survives and my entire army dies.

Volcano is one of those 'play around' cards I think, very much like a Mage's Flamestrike.

At 7 mana (5 + 2 overload) Volcano is certainly an efficient spell but not off-the-scale crazy. (Compare it with Elemental Destruction, for example.)

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The rogue quest is annoying.

Everyone just throws a glacial shard, then retracts and throws it again and again. You can't do shit as all your minions are frozen, and on turn 5 they play the quest card and win.

I am mostly playing arena, especially because otherwise it's just a constant stream of quest people, and it doesn't matter what you do, especially if it's a Rogue. There's no possible defence to it and no tactics. Just makes it really boring and removes a load of the variety. Boo.

I'm only playing in Casual, but it seems like I face the Rogue deck more games than I don't. 4 of the last 5 have played the quest card on turn 5. Turn 6 then sees the 5/5 charges coming into play.

I shall look at the Dirty Rat. I don't think they end up with much missing in terms of strength on the board. If they're using glacial shard then your minions can't attack, and they end up with at least a 2/3 or a 3/2 or whatever each turn from the Boatman or Brewmaster. Maybe I've just been unlucky.

There's been some big ol' power creep on some of the cards too. A 2/2 for 1 mana? 1 mana to give +1/+1 to all minions? 2 mana to give you a 1/1 with +1/+1 to all minions in your hand? 1 mana for a mini-shadow madness? Vol-freaking-cano? Those are some nasty cards.

I'm only playing in Casual, but it seems like I face the Rogue deck more games than I don't. 4 of the last 5 have played the quest card on turn 5. Turn 6 then sees the 5/5 charges coming into play.

I shall look at the Dirty Rat. I don't think they end up with much missing in terms of strength on the board. If they're using glacial shard then your minions can't attack, and they end up with at least a 2/3 or a 3/2 or whatever each turn from the Boatman or Brewmaster. Maybe I've just been unlucky.

Author:	zaphod79 [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:20 ]
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The Mage quest is the one that's annoying me , after hitting a stream of them i switched over to the warrior taunt quest - it was expensive for dust (only needed the quest as a legendary but i was missing a lot of other key cards like Dirty Rat) and at least I now have an answer to them - nothing better than pulling a giant / alex / apprentice / archmage out of their deck when they are not expecting it Yes I'll still lose sometimes but even with everything frozen being able to raggy them for 8 points each turn helps , and I will lose to a 'perfect draw' rogue but the taunts and early pressure (plus Dirty Rat to sometimes grab their bounced minion) means that I'm winning more of those than I'm losing

Author:	zaphod79 [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:17 ]
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http://www.polygon.com/2017/4/10/152479 ... ary-rarity Quote: Hearthstone: Journey to Un’Goro expects players to spend too much to be competitive

Author:	zaphod79 [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:26 ]
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'Cheap' killer move

Author:	Hearthly [ Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:43 ]
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zaphod79 wrote: http://www.polygon.com/2017/4/10/15247906/hearthstone-journey-to-un-goro-free-packs-pack-problems-too-few-legendary-rarity Quote: Hearthstone: Journey to Un’Goro expects players to spend too much to be competitive Yeah as if the move to 'all cards' expansions wasn't already enough of a dick move, making the quest cards legendaries was a Ron Jeremy dick-sized dick move. I made myself that Quest Mage deck yesterday, needed to craft three epics and the legendary to build it, and that's just for one deck, despite having opened 85 packs of cards at expansion launch. If there's one thing Blizzard really know how to do, it's gouge the fuck out of their customer base. (A Level 100 boost currently costs £49 (!) in WoW.)

Author:	zaphod79 [ Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:20 ]
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So close to hitting rank 10 but I keep getting pushed back on the last match The other deck I'm seeing a lot of just now is the plant rogue - and I cant work out how they always have the plant in hand Basically its a 5/3 minion 'free' for every round , I'd guess the only way for my warrior to remove it is kill it first and then use Brawl and hope the dead body gets removed.

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Author:	zaphod79 [ Thu Apr 13, 2017 0:54 ]
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So burned up the gold i had earned so far this week and got the legendary plant card (so may craft the deck to use it) - and my first 'pack' quest card Attachment: Screenshot 2017-04-13 00.51.54.png

Author:	MaliA [ Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:16 ]
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Re: Card Power Creep In Netrunner, you can have (generally) up to three copies of a card in your deck (decks have minimum size). You have (generally) 15 influence points to spend. Cards in faction are influence free, but using a card from another faction cost these influence points (except some neutral cards). This worked quite well as a balance against ALL THE BEST CARDS together in one deck. Until: the card pool expanded loads and dominant combinations of cards arose. To counter this, a list of cads was made that cost an extra influence point even if in faction to curtail these ploys. Until: The card pool expanded even more and even more powerful cards were printed. Now, rather tjan one extra point, it goes from one to three. Getting complicated.

Author:	Curiosity [ Sun Apr 16, 2017 21:56 ]
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I decided to have a few goes at this. So far what I see is odd. If you have bought the right card for Warrior, on turn 4/5/6 your hero power becomes Ragnaros and you get an awesome weapon? That doesn't seem too fair. I assume there are similar cards for other classes, but if you don't have the AUTOMATIC WIN BUTTON LEGENDARY it's a bit shit yo.

Author:	Curiosity [ Sun Apr 16, 2017 22:06 ]
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Also, wow, the new cards are far better! Hard to compete without them. Rogue chap had the corpse flower. Killed it. Next turn he plays 4 cards and revives it, and plays another. Next turn I kill both. He revives both. I kill both, he revives both. Guy played 12 cards in 3 turns and still had 4 left! Madness!

Author:	Curiosity [ Sun Apr 16, 2017 22:18 ]
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For reference, this is playing at level 25. Almost all opponents are warriors and all start with that quest. One made it as late as turn 8, but playing a slow taunt warrior deck how could you not?

Author:	Hearthly [ Sun Apr 16, 2017 23:21 ]
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When was the last time you played Curio? The power-creep across the expansions has been significant, but Blizzard have really outdone themselves with the latest Un Goro expansion, by making all the class quest cards legendaries, and each of them is a 'build around' card, the decks simply don't work without them. Hearthstone must be a preposterously unforgiving place for new players, or players who've been away for a year or two. My interest in the game ebbs and flows, but even when I'm not in a Hearthstone place, I keep up with my daily quests so that I've always got a big stack of gold to invest in each new expansion, and keep my collection competitive. If you're running with a fairly meagre card collection, your best bet is just to go with a hardcore aggro 'face' deck, as with the right draw they're capable of beating down anything else.

Author:	zaphod79 [ Mon Apr 17, 2017 0:38 ]
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Basically 'this' - the quest cards are all way overpowered compared to just about anything else and yes your not going to survive a warrior a few rounds after they have completed it unless your using one of the other quests The quests are : Rogue - every minion you have is automatically 5/5 that includes your 1 point pirates / 1 point boars / etc etc - a good hand gives you the quest on turn 4 or 5 and you'll generally win by turn 6 or 7 Warrior - a weapon (4/3) and your hero power becomes Raggy - so 8 points 'at random' - the warriors also have a ton more taunt cards and better board clearing options (fishes for example which knocks 3 off every injured minion and the big 8 point dinosaur who does 2 points of damage to all other minions) Mage - take two turns , they typically freeze all your characters and have a ice block if you can get them close to finishing space) - but their finish is either alex / 2 'free' magic giants and their free turn to kill you or Archmage + 2 apprentices (or 3?) which gives them unlimited fireballs Those all are game winners - if you get them and the other side has not pummeled you with a fast damage deck or hit their own reward its game over. The next batch are : Priest - minion that buffs your hero up to 40 health (I stole it in the video above) Shamen - Murloc card that fills your had with other murlocs - they also have a lot of murloc buff cards Druid - much harder to pull off but all your minions become 'free' Warlock - A portal that gives free imps These seem to be able to turn a game but are either too hard or generally too slow - i have lost to the shamen one a few times but never to the priest / warlock or Druid I've never even seen people try to pull off : Hunter - A big minion and a lot of small minion cards Paladin - a big buffed minion (so what) For a lot of the quests there are also 'disruption' cards which is worth having in your deck , there is not really one for the warrior (apart from dirty rat) but in all of my decks I have at least one Dirty Rat (a 2/6 minion that pulls a minion out of their hand - this can be bad if you play it at the wrong time but it can also wreck the Rogue / Warriors / Mage decks because it loses the battlecry - so you want to pull any of the bounce minions or the card the rogue was bouncing out of their hand to kill it , and against the mage you can pull the archmage or some of their helpers out and they cant play them later. The other disrupt card is really only of use against the Mage but i still carry it anyway and thats 'eater of secrets' - it removes their secrets so the mage loses the freeze block and you can kill them (i have won many games just for that one card). Oh and if your a mage then counterspell / or the secret that turns their played minion into a sheep will stop the rogue quests :-) And as Hearthy says a good / quick deck will beat all of these if you get the right draw because you just do so much damage to them quickly - the rogue quest gives you lots of 1/1 and 3/2 minions until round 5 or 6 and virtually no taunt - the warrior quest also struggles with damage to the other side (but the taunts can usually block stuff). FYI the 'flower' card the rogue played is a legendary so they probably got lucky to get 2 (by using a clone card or a mimic pod) - i really struggle with that because i dont have anything to remove it (even warriors brawl does not remove it - you need to be able to turn it into a sheep or a frog) - i have been lucky with 'vanish' for the rogue but you need to fill their hand up already

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:55 ]
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Yeah, I've been away for at least a year. Generally won or was competitive against anyone who wasn't a Warrior or that Rogue with the magical plant

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:11 ]
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Hmmm. I do have 4000 dust. Maybe I should just craft some good things.

Author:	Hearthly [ Sun Apr 23, 2017 18:16 ]
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Random numbers do strange things sometimes, we remember the random events that stand out rather than the random events than fall within expected boundaries. In other Hearthstone news - Freeze Mage is looking pretty good again, which makes me happy.

Author:	Hearthly [ Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:16 ]
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Curiosity wrote: Hmmm. I do have 4000 dust. Maybe I should just craft some good things. Think carefully before crafting, 4000 dust is only two Legendaries are they're almost entirely 'build around' cards in Un Goro, you might be better off going for a wider spread of Commons, Rares and Epics that have wider utility. Take a look at Tempostorm and Icy Veins for a selection of decks. https://tempostorm.com/hearthstone https://tempostorm.com/hearthstone/meta ... 2017-04-14 http://www.icy-veins.com/hearthstone/de ... ucted-play

Author:	zaphod79 [ Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:31 ]
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Going into Ungoro I had around 50 packs (from gold and freebies) and about 10,000 dust (after I got the bonus dust for losing my existing cards) and it still cost me a lot of dust to make the warrior and rogue quest decks There are some 'cheap' hunter decks out there with regular beasts and a few ungoro adapt cards that regularly beat me and those are probably cheap / or use cards you already have Playing against them they seem to lead with the battle cat (2 cheap minions) then a buff card , and then hyena and an adapt - even if your clearing down the low minion cards your still taking massive damage by round 4 or 5 This looks to be it : http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/784234-u ... ast-hunter You probably have most of the cards already Although remember this is a fast / face deck , if they get some taunt cards out your probably going to lose to them

Author:	zaphod79 [ Mon Apr 17, 2017 14:20 ]
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Been a while since i've looked so - Hearthstone Stats Levels Attachment: Screenshot 2017-04-17 14.11.44.png I have a golden Mage and Warlock - for the others Priest 412/500 Hunter 412/500 (yes really the same number as Priest) Paladin 401/500 Warrior 391/500 Rogue 287/500 ( I was less than 200 on this until Ungoro came out) Druid 165/500 Shaman 73/500

Author:	Hearthly [ Mon Apr 17, 2017 17:45 ]
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Slowed down a lot in the last 12 months or so, but still keeping up with my daily quests for the GOLDS. Just playing Aggro Pirate Warrior at the moment, simply because it's pretty much an auto-win against that abominable fucking Quest Rogue deck. I do feel slightly guilty when other classes/decks are dead on Turn 5/6 though. My preference is for midrange/control, but unfortunately there's no midrange/control deck that can consistently beat out a deck whereby every single bastard thing they have on the board is a 5/5. I think the biggest loss for me in Un Goro is Control Warrior which was one of my favourite decks to play (we miss you Justicar! and Bash! etc!), and the new Taunt Warrior just feels a bit cheap by comparison. Attachment: statterso.JPG

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Apr 17, 2017 18:32 ]
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Cheers for that. Can I not craft Kindly Grandmother?

Author:	zaphod79 [ Mon Apr 17, 2017 18:56 ]
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Curiosity wrote: Cheers for that. Can I not craft Kindly Grandmother? I think it was one of the special cards from the 'one night in' set of adventures - if so no you need to buy the wing that it came in

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Apr 17, 2017 19:46 ]
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zaphod79 wrote: Curiosity wrote: Cheers for that. Can I not craft Kindly Grandmother? I think it was one of the special cards from the 'one night in' set of adventures - if so no you need to buy the wing that it came in Well, that's a pain.

Author:	zaphod79 [ Thu Apr 20, 2017 19:04 ]
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This weeks tavern brawl is basically pick a class and play with the quest and a pre-made deck for that class - useful if you want to try them out (and saves you having to craft something to then work out its crap)

Author:	Curiosity [ Sun Apr 23, 2017 14:06 ]
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Dinomancy is a bit of a mean card.

Author:	Curiosity [ Sun Apr 23, 2017 14:15 ]
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Playing Druid in Tavern Brawl for fun (and my missions are to play Druid class cards and large minions). Opposing Warrior has one big minions. I have mine full of massive ones after completing my quest. He plays Brawl, and as always, his one survives and my entire army dies.

Author:	zaphod79 [ Sun Apr 23, 2017 16:17 ]
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Curiosity wrote: Playing Druid in Tavern Brawl for fun (and my missions are to play Druid class cards and large minions). Opposing Warrior has one big minions. I have mine full of massive ones after completing my quest. He plays Brawl, and as always, his one survives and my entire army dies. I often wonder if Brawl slightly favors whoever plays it - my typical play turn 7 when doing the warrior quest was dirty rat and brawl - and I'm sure i ended up with the rat left more often than one of theirs

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon Apr 24, 2017 0:01 ]
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That Hunter deck you linked to above has been pretty fun. Just killed a Priest on Turn 4 (1. Alley Cat - 2. Hyena - 3. Adapt hyena to get windfury; kill the cats - 4. Death). The only tricksy decks have been the quest ones. The Raptor one was a bad spot for mel as they could play the card on Turn 5, and after that it's a neverending stream of damn near free 3/2 cards. I might have stood a chance with an exploding trap or something, but unless you can kill them in a turn or two it's over. Fun mechanic though, as you do get the sense of overwhelming panic as you get swarmed. A fun round even though I lost. So many cards I haven't seen before that can turn something on me. Meteor? WTF? Fun times though.

Author:	Hearthly [ Sat Apr 29, 2017 19:32 ]
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The game is definitely a lot more fun in the new expansion, for several reasons. 1) The older expansions that have rotated out of Standard, goodbye to any and all fucking Reno decks, for example. 2) The specific cards that have been moved out of Standard, Azure Drake/Raggy/Syl/etc - it's easy to forget just how ubiquitous they were and absolutely the 'best in slot' for so many decks, having them removed from the options list entirely has really opened up deck design. (And it's not like you can't still play those cards if you want to, just move over to Wild.) 3) The Un Goro expansion itself is very good (once you get past the incredibly cynical legendary situation), and whilst the meta is still settling down of course, the overall situation seems to be a lot more 'up in the air' as to where the various classes and decks will end up in terms of effectiveness. So yes, definitely enjoying it so far.

Author:	zaphod79 [ Tue May 02, 2017 18:44 ]
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3 free packs as they have passed the 70 million players mark http://uk.ign.com/articles/2017/05/01/h ... on-players

Author:	Hearthly [ Mon May 08, 2017 19:43 ]
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Having a lot of fun with this iteration of Miracle Rogue. No Leeroy/Cold Blood burst so doesn't have the super-finisher potential but all sorts of cheeky shenanigans going on with the Corpse Flower thingy, Shaku, and all the draw cards feeding into flower activation and Gadgetzan trickery - which all end up with the cheap or free Arcane Giants. Had to craft two legendaries, two epics and a rare for this one! Only have 2700 dust left but do have two shit golden legendaries I can dust if required. (And 5100 gold for packs but I'm already saving up for the next expansion ) Attachment: UnGoroMiracleO.JPG

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon May 08, 2017 21:16 ]
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What was that Tavern Brawl that cost a billion pounds all about? bah.

Author:	Curiosity [ Mon May 08, 2017 23:36 ]
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Playing Arena for a laugh. One guy just kept on playing the 'On a Stegodon' card. So infuriating!

Author:	Curiosity [ Tue May 09, 2017 0:50 ]
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Was absolutely destroying a Shaman. Had entire board control, and health was 30 vs 5. Sadly he had some insane cards. Evolve, devole and worst of all, to start the rot - volcano. I ended up totally dead in a few more turns. Those all seem MASSIVELY underpriced in terms of mana.

Author:	Hearthly [ Tue May 09, 2017 9:25 ]
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Volcano is one of those 'play around' cards I think, very much like a Mage's Flamestrike. At 7 mana (5 + 2 overload) Volcano is certainly an efficient spell but not off-the-scale crazy. (Compare it with Elemental Destruction, for example.)

Author:	Curiosity [ Tue May 09, 2017 9:45 ]
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It's pretty crazy if they have a double spell damage totem and you didn't know the card exists