Be Excellent To Each Other

When this game is over, I'll post an 'upcoming games' thread in the MS forum.

I've put myself back in to run game VI as a vanilla-ish game. Perks of the job.

When the f***ing people with night actions pull their f***ing fingers out!

Yeah, I think we'll need a vanilla-ish game after two experimental games.

I concur.

Much as I'm itching to run a game a see how it works, might it be a good idea to have Craster do game five and me game six, so we split the experimental games up a bit?

Or is it okay how it is now?

Let's discuss when I post up the list, leaving this thread for Richie PoofShrub's game discussion.

Would it be worth playing a speed game? Days and nights are timed to last only two hours (for example), and a date is set in advance so that any people who want to play would be available on that certain day?

It's an interesting idea but I don't think there'd be enough players here able to commit to doing that. Taking it to IRC or IM would be logical extreme -- you could run a day in 10 minutes, and play the entire game in under an hour, with side channels for the mafia etc.

First person to suggest playing it via second life is going to get knee-capped in real life.

I suggested IRC SuperSpeedMafiaScum after the first game and Craster beat me with a stick.

Or some sort of XNA app running on the Xbox that used the voice chat and allowed you to select your night actions in the GUI and operate two voice chat channels (day time vote and scum).

ZOMG.

I wouldn't want to play or run a game that is any faster than these are. All the suspense disappears.

Could we turn it into some sort of FPS?

We could have it so you could only use a torch to investigate, and everyone else had to fumble in the darkness and shoot blindly. That'd be an ace mechanic.

That sounds an awful lot like at least a dozen comercial FPSs, mind.

Or is it just that I keep forgetting to turn up the brightness?

I was debating about playing the in-real-life version next time I have enough mates around.

Needs more spaceships and an option for me to be a pirate.

FTFY

PirateScum, now there's an idea!

::runs off to scribble down rules for press ganging night action::

There's a whole niche website idea right there.

::runs off to scribble down Dexter Fletcher / Johnny Depp slash fiction::

<insert photoshopped pic of Dexter Fletcher here>

MaliA has no friends, folks. You heard it here first.

I wouldn't say first.

I have t-shirts saying that as well.

...as the Sire said to the Childe.

How about making it so that the first bite to turn someone can come from the Sire or any of his Childer, but the second has to come from the Sire? That gives the vampires a chance to make it harder for the town to block an Embrace at the price of more exposure and more information potentially given to the town? I mean, if paranoia's what you're after...

Otherwise yeah, as everyone's said, just give it a whirl and see how it goes.

Obligatory fee for everyone who isn't an xna member, mind.

Not for long, once the Creator's Club ships.

Any idea when that might be? At the moment, xna is looking a bit of a shambles. To have live! play on windows, you need to install Gamestudio 2.0, as the live! stuff isn't distributable itself, and that hardly makes games easily distributed. (Hi, install DX9, C# and GS, and then my game ) and having to pay a subscription fee as well as having to distribute source isn't making xBox distribution any easier.

I'd like them to sort it out soon, as my current TOP SECRET project is coming along quite well.

(Having to write a software rasteriser again = really bloody strange)

I think there should be a Teen Wolf role, and it should be me.

I could car-surf between crypts then slam dunk the vamps into next week and be generally awesome.

And then be much less entertaining and popular in the second game.

iRasta, coming soon from Mr Dave.

Buffalo Coder...

Can the SK win the game with the vampires alive? Surely they'd reach a situation where the vampires would just roleblock him endlessly. He seems really very weak in this setup, even more so than usual.

Hmm, good point vegetables. (ponders...)

edit: maybe the SK's win condition needs to change. Perhaps it should be something like "alive at end of game", and everyone else's win condition would be "SK dead" as no-one wants an SK in the midst. That's more winnable than "last man standing".

If he's a vampire, how would they know which one he is?

I'm waiting for AlienVampireMafiaPirateScum.

Well we *could* have had a zombie at one point in game 2 if Grim... had pressed the right button.

NinjaScum?
pass this onto 1000 friends before midnightScum?

I am tempted to change the SK's win condition to simply "survive to the end" and to change each side's win condition to include "the SK must be dead". It would lead to the SK playing both sides off against each other, I think, and tending to favour whichever side was not on top at any moment. In turn that would act as a natural self-balancing aspect of the game.

Why not 'kill 5 people' or similar?

I thought that. As he can only kill one a night it would certainly make the SK player want to prolong the game, further forcing him to help whoever is losing.

Hmmmmm.

Have you given any consideration to including reverse vampires?
What about the Carpathian Directive?
Plasmoid diffusion rules? No?

Good point, plus I've left out the Shadow Proclamation, mentats, a thousand punch cards made from Solomonic Gold, the Ark of the Covenant, nine Rings of Power, Palm PDAs that run advanced anti-demonic invocation nets, the Black Freighter, the Right Hand of Doom, the Infinite Improbability Drive, and a positronic brain.

(Gaywood Points for anyone who can work out all those references; although some of them are ambiguous and others very obvious.)

Shadow Proclamation - Dr Who
mentats - Dune
a thousand punch cards made from Solomonic Gold - ?
the Ark of the Covenant - Bible/Indiana Jones
nine Rings of Power - Lord of the Rings
Palm PDAs that run advanced anti-demonic invocation nets - Don't know, but maybe Buffy or BSG?
the Black Freighter - see above
the Right Hand of Doom - See above
the Infinite Improbability Drive - Hitchhikers Guide
and a positronic brain - Asimov based stuff

The PDA thing sounds more like the Charles Stross books.

Isn't this one Star Trek? Doesn't Data have a positronic brain or some such?

Also Black Freighter - Black Ships from the WH40K universe?

All correct.

Aye! The Bob Howard books. They are absolutely great.

Whilst this is true, Asimov did it very much first and is what I was thinking of.

Nope. I know there are people on here that know this, although perhaps this rules thread is a bit obscure and not many people are reading it.

That also leaves the punchcards and Right Hand of Doom. I'll give the answers later on if no-one else gets them.

Punchcards - The Baroque Cycle by Neal Stephenson (consisting of Quicksilver, The Confusion, and The System Of The World). They are prequels to Cryptonomicon.

Right Hand of Doom - Hellboy's big stone hand, with the power to end the world.

The Black Freighter - pirate ship, crewed by damned souls, from the story-within-a-story in Watchmen.