The Xbox one thread

Runcle · **Posted:** Mon Jun 10, 2013 19:14

How many of the 15 first party games did we actually see there? I was really hoping for a new crackdown.

Joans · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8648

Dr Lave wrote:

£429.

Below looked awesome.

Neogaf's CBOAT seemed spot on. Which means the DRM being worse than it seems will be true too. Yay.

No Mirror's Edge. Bittersweet.

I'm sure I read somewhere that Mirror's Edge 2 wasn't going to be an Xbone exclusive (not that that necessarily makes it true).

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

Please! Please for the love of fuck! SAY IT IS SO!

Runcle · **Posted:** Mon Jun 10, 2013 20:37

Joans wrote:

Dr Lave wrote:

£429.

Below looked awesome.

Neogaf's CBOAT seemed spot on. Which means the DRM being worse than it seems will be true too. Yay.

No Mirror's Edge. Bittersweet.

I'm sure I read somewhere that Mirror's Edge 2 wasn't going to be an Xbone exclusive (not that that necessarily makes it true).

EA presentation in 25 minutes. Hopefully that'll make the hour show bearable. Well if they announce it, and an announcement bringing back all the bullfrog games.

Runcle · **Posted:** Mon Jun 10, 2013 20:41

Quote:

Microsoft has now detailed the limited Day One Edition of Xbox One, available for those who reserve the system at participating retailers.

You'll get a limited edition Xbox One Day One branded controller, and a unique commemorative Day One Achievement, plus in-game DLC for a number of launch titles.

In Ryse: Son of Rome you'll get an exclusive multiplayer map and sword with bonus attributes. For Forza Motorsport 5 you get access to four cars tuned to the top of their class. In Kinect Sports Rivals you get exclusive sporting equipment and in Dead Rising 3 you'll get exclusive Frank West and Chuck Greene Tribute Packs with bonus attributes.

Xbox Live Gold will remain a subscription service, priced the same each month, although you will now get two free games a month on Xbox 360.

Still can't get over them offering 2 old ass games when Sony having been giving away titles barely even 6 months old away on their service.

Runcle · **Posted:** Mon Jun 10, 2013 20:43

Also surprised by the total lack of kinect stuff, although isn't Crimson Dragon one.

Could you not do Kinect stuff whilst holding the controller? Playing a cover shooter and leaning left and right to look around corners and stuff.

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14364

I've a feeling that Kinect stuff will be more subtly integrated this time around and rather than there being standalone games (although they'll be the same 'family' guys stuffed in our eye holes for the first twelve months) you'll find every game has a movement or voice command crowbarred into it.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14495

Runcle wrote:

Quote:

Microsoft has now detailed the limited Day One Edition of Xbox One, available for those who reserve the system at participating retailers.

You'll get a limited edition Xbox One Day One branded controller, and a unique commemorative Day One Achievement, plus in-game DLC for a number of launch titles.

In Ryse: Son of Rome you'll get an exclusive multiplayer map and sword with bonus attributes. For Forza Motorsport 5 you get access to four cars tuned to the top of their class. In Kinect Sports Rivals you get exclusive sporting equipment and in Dead Rising 3 you'll get exclusive Frank West and Chuck Greene Tribute Packs with bonus attributes.

Xbox Live Gold will remain a subscription service, priced the same each month, although you will now get two free games a month on Xbox 360.

Still can't get over them offering 2 old ass games when Sony having been giving away titles barely even 6 months old away on their service.

Just got the live stream working (but the sound is way out of sync) and got to that bit - what they actually said was between July and the Xbox one's launch so its 5 months 'tops' so they are giving away a maximum of 10 titles.

I know not great comparisons but the two titles they said were Ass crud2 and Halo3 - both are between £3 and £4 at amazon (including postage) whereas PSN this months titles are
Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning , ICO & Shadow of the Colossus Classics HD , Demon's Souls , Uncharted 3, XCOM: Enemy Unknown, LittleBigPlanet Karting, and Machinarium.

Joans · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 8648

Dr Lave wrote:

Please! Please for the love of fuck! SAY IT IS SO!

XBone, PS4 and PC

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14364

Bamba wrote:

On the PSN store you've got to bugger about with category filters and even then it's not very clear what's a full download and what's got a demo version.

When the PSN stuff is still harder to deal with despite a recent redesign and even with all the adverts MS have crammed into the Xbox dash that's a red flag that your shit needs sorted.

Just noticed that on the very first menu is "PS3 demos".

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14495

I'm just going to post this one slide here from the Sony conference

And no slide for it but

Quote:

if you enjoy playing single player games on line PS4 won't require to to check in periodically
in addition, Play station games dont need to be connected online to play
and it wont stop working if you haven't checked in in 24 hours"

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

So PS4 is £349 at launch.
PS+ now needed for multiplayer (but still gives games, inc ps4 ones)
But none of the Xbox Drm bullshit

We have a winner.

MaliA · **Posted:** Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:51

Hello sony!

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14495

Just look at the smile on this mans face

After virtually every line he says he has to stop for a minute for the crowd to let him continue

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

I fucking hate journalists cheering, but after the risk of the hobby getting fucked I'll let that time slide.

Thank fuck.

Trousers · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3073

zaphod79 wrote:

Just look at the smile on this mans face

It's brilliant that you can essentially "win" E3 by saying "We're NOT going to fuck you with a rusty trowel".

Curiosity · **Posted:** Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:41

Sony must think they're living in some kind of beautiful dream at the moment. They clearly can't believe their luck at how much Microsoft have screwed up.

I wonder if there might be a hasty U-Turn by MS? At the moment, it's not even close.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

Trousers wrote:

zaphod79 wrote:

Just look at the smile on this mans face

It's brilliant that you can essentially "win" E3 by saying "We're NOT going to fuck you with a rusty trowel".

Very, very true.

Mentski · **Joined:** 17th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 86

I was a bit gutted to see Dead Rising 3 an Xbox exclusive, not surprised, considering it's history, but still a little sad.

...But considering how un-Dead Rising the demo gameplay looked, with it's grimdark-brownshooter graphical style, and the fact it's apparently set 10 years after the last one (saying "fuck it" to the cliffhanger they set up in Case: West), I don't think I give a shit any more.

(And I really fucking loved Dead Rising, despite hating pretty much every other zombie game.)

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

Ha!

Bamba · **Joined:** 25th Jul, 2010 **Posts:** 11128

Dr Lave wrote:

Ha!

Heh, that's excellent stuff. I never usually get a console at launch and wasn't intending to this time around either but the temptation to send a message to MS by picking up a PS4 is strong.

DavPaz · **Joined:** 27th Jun, 2008 **Posts:** 38478

Surely there has to be some kind of climbdown my MS after this trainwreck. As it stands, they're going to get utterly shafted.

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10091

If EA decide that PS4 versions cost a tenner more and require Online Passes to use second-hand that might rebalance things a bit.

£80 is a bit of a gap mind - which MS can easily close by bundling a year of Gold and a couple of first-party launch titles.

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14364

If Microsoft want to get back in the game they've got to announce a much cheaper full-price game price point. £20 perhaps.

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10091

Trousers wrote:

It's brilliant that you can essentially "win" E3 by saying "We're NOT going to fuck you with a rusty trowel".

too.

That Buttocks fellow seems to have been largely on the money with what was announced, which doesn't look good for the remaining DRM bits that MS still need to clarify. I expect they're still in the "Unfucking the cluster" meeting about that though.

markg · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 16570

Trousers wrote:

zaphod79 wrote:

Just look at the smile on this mans face

It's brilliant that you can essentially "win" E3 by saying "We're NOT going to fuck you with a rusty trowel".

Indeed, where the fuck are the games? End of the year isn't very far away in development terms is it?

asfish · **Joined:** 5th Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 3353

So do people think that the Xbox1 is worth the extra $100 along with the pre owned games restrictions?

It still appears to do a lot more that just play games.

Not sure people will want the NSA looking at their gaming habits now though :DD

Not sure what I will get, I have WII and 360 now but never went for a PS3, was thinking about getting one for the Blu Ray, but might hang on for this new consoles.

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10091

If I had to pick one I'd said PS4, but I'm still not planning on any.

ApplePieOfDestiny · **Joined:** 17th Dec, 2008 **Posts:** 8293

asfish wrote:

Not sure what I will get, I have WII and 360 now but never went for a PS3, was thinking about getting one for the Blu Ray, but might hang on for this new consoles.

I jumped into this party late, and when 360 as everyone I knew who had a console had a 360 at that time. However, I always wanted a PS3 for the Blu Ray.

To be honest however, the 360 has been turned on once in 6 months. That's not from a lack of games or bezzies, but just not having wanted to play games in that time. So it won't currently be a day 1 purchase (although £350 is a sweetspot price...)

In response to my thoughts yesterday, I really didn't think Microsoft could be that naive, or arrogant, to take their route alone. I'm amazed that there is no evidence to support that any aspect of that thinking was correct after the presentations.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

ApplePieOfDestiny wrote:

In response to my thoughts yesterday, I really didn't think Microsoft could be that naive, or arrogant, to take their route alone. I'm amazed that there is no evidence to support that any aspect of that thinking was correct after the presentations.

As someone who's watched Microsoft corporate culture from the outside for twenty years, I find it perfectly credible it could be that arrogant. It really is a weird corporate culture.

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10091

Xbox: Some DRM, some people went for it.
Xbox360: More DRM, many more people went for it.

Logical conclusion:

XbobOne: ALL THE DRM, ALL THE PEOPLE.
Reality: Hello, is that Gripper Sont?

Of course, the CODers will buy it so they can COD with the other CODers they COD with already, and they won't care because COD (well, not until they realise they can't trade in for half-price NEW COD). Which is fine, because that means fewer teenage Americans shouting obscenities on PS4.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

BikNorton wrote:

Of course, the CODers will buy it so they can COD with the other CODers they COD with already, and they won't care because COD (well, not until they realise they can't trade in for half-price NEW COD). Which is fine, because that means fewer teenage Americans shouting obscenities on PS4.

CoD is also for PS4. Network effects cut both ways. If enough CoDders get PS4s, the rest will follow.

asfish · **Joined:** 5th Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 3353

Don't you also get the Kinect with the Xbox One? Sure MS will be releasing a bundle with no Kinect around the same price as the PS4?

I already have one so unless the Xbox One Kinect is much better I wouldn't want another.

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10091

Mm, but Live did it so much better, and so they already have Gold accounts stuffed with CODchums that would be a hassle to move over and cancel. Besides, they've spent 5 years decrying Sony as being for GAYL0SERFAGSLOL! which would mean they have to buy dresses if they switch, or something.

I dunno man, it's teenagers.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

asfish wrote:

Don't you also get the Kinect with the Xbox One? Sure MS will be releasing a bundle with no Kinect around the same price as the PS4?

Yes. No. Kinect v2 is mandatory, has to be present and plugged in at all times.

TheVision · **Posted:** Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:40

Can someone explain the "log in every 24 hours thing" to me? I'm struggling to see the reason behind needing to do that?

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14495

markg wrote:

Indeed, where the fuck are the games? End of the year isn't very far away in development terms is
it?

I've not watched the PS4 presentation yet (and i wont really get a chance to until tonight) but there were plenty of games mentioned during the presentation and virtually all of the 3rd party stuff at Microsoft is multi platform so just watch their trailer for MGS5 or Battlefield 4

On the COD side , Xbox having 30 days exclusivity might be enough to make some of the COD fanatics go that way but if enough people switch to PS4 then expect them to be there as well - no details if either of them include headsets in the box (which was seen as one of the ways Microsoft got more people talking on Live)

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10091

TheVision wrote:

Can someone explain the "log in every 24 hours thing" to me? I'm struggling to see the reason behind needing to do that?

To see if your games need to be deleted yet.

zaphod79 · **Joined:** 16th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14495

TheVision wrote:

Can someone explain the "log in every 24 hours thing" to me? I'm struggling to see the reason behind needing to do that?

To prove you've not got pirated stuff on your system and that you've not sold off your games to an 'approved' vendor , its only purpose is DRM

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

TheVision wrote:

Can someone explain the "log in every 24 hours thing" to me? I'm struggling to see the reason behind needing to do that?

When you buy a game, it's registered to your console so you don't need to put the disk in. So you could trade it in to Game, and still play it, because you don't need to the disk to play.

To square that circle, MS make it so Game will scan the disk in some special way that tells Live "this guy no longer owns this game". The next time your console authenticates to Live, your game disappears.

To stop people just taking the console offline forever, MS then mandated a 24 hour maximum time check. Leave it offline that long -- including internet outages, if you move house and don't have internet yet, etc etc -- and all your games stop working until you go online again.

Basically, it's like you're a criminal who has to check in with a parole officer every day.

Doctor Glyndwr · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 32619

zaphod79 wrote:

no details if either of them include headsets in the box

It was previously confirmed the Xbox One doesn't have a pack-in headset. I think the idea was that you'd use Kinect instead.

TheVision · **Posted:** Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:46

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

zaphod79 wrote:

no details if either of them include headsets in the box

It was previously confirmed the Xbox One doesn't have a pack-in headset. I think the idea was that you'd use Kinect instead.

That's a horrible idea!

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10091

I think MS stopped putting them in 360 boxes before Kinect launched anyway.

asfish · **Joined:** 5th Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 3353

Doctor Glyndwr wrote:

TheVision wrote:

Can someone explain the "log in every 24 hours thing" to me? I'm struggling to see the reason behind needing to do that?

When you buy a game, it's registered to your console so you don't need to put the disk in. So you could trade it in to Game, and still play it, because you don't need to the disk to play.

To square that circle, MS make it so Game will scan the disk in some special way that tells Live "this guy no longer owns this game". The next time your console authenticates to Live, your game disappears.

To stop people just taking the console offline forever, MS then mandated a 24 hour maximum time check. Leave it offline that long -- including internet outages, if you move house and don't have internet yet, etc etc -- and all your games stop working until you go online again.

Basically, it's like you're a criminal who has to check in with a parole officer every day.

There will be a option to remove this via a custom dashboard within 6 months :DD

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14364

zaphod79 wrote:

TheVision wrote:

Can someone explain the "log in every 24 hours thing" to me? I'm struggling to see the reason behind needing to do that?

To prove you've not got pirated stuff on your system and that you've not sold off your games to an 'approved' vendor , its only purpose is DRM

This wouldn't affect many people whose Internet is always on and the Xbox always connected to it.

Currently I turn on my Xbox and it logs into Xbox live.

If I don't turn on my Xbone for a week and then I do, it'll log me in as usual. The 24 hour thing is only relevant if you game without an permanent Internet connection. That's my understanding anyway.

asfish · **Joined:** 5th Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 3353

Saturnalian wrote:

zaphod79 wrote:

TheVision wrote:

Can someone explain the "log in every 24 hours thing" to me? I'm struggling to see the reason behind needing to do that?

To prove you've not got pirated stuff on your system and that you've not sold off your games to an 'approved' vendor , its only purpose is DRM

This wouldn't affect many people whose Internet is always on and the Xbox always connected to it.

Currently I turn on my Xbox and it logs into Xbox live.

If I don't turn on my Xbone for a week and then I do, it'll log me in as usual. The 24 hour thing is only relevant if you game without an permanent Internet connection. That's my understanding anyway.

Its an odd move as the 2nd hand market must help shift new games, so If your are blocked from trading in they are just going to shift less new games?

lasermink · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 1883

asfish wrote:

Saturnalian wrote:

zaphod79 wrote:

TheVision wrote:

Can someone explain the "log in every 24 hours thing" to me? I'm struggling to see the reason behind needing to do that?

To prove you've not got pirated stuff on your system and that you've not sold off your games to an 'approved' vendor , its only purpose is DRM

This wouldn't affect many people whose Internet is always on and the Xbox always connected to it.

Currently I turn on my Xbox and it logs into Xbox live.

If I don't turn on my Xbone for a week and then I do, it'll log me in as usual. The 24 hour thing is only relevant if you game without an permanent Internet connection. That's my understanding anyway.

Its an odd move as the 2nd hand market must help shift new games, so If your are blocked from trading in they are just going to shift less new games?

Of course it isn't, every pirated/second hand copy is a lost sale. Don't you know anything?

It's certainly a grand experiment Microsoft has got going here.

BikNorton · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 10091

Saturnalian wrote:

If I don't turn on my Xbone for a week and then I do, it'll log me in as usual. The 24 hour thing is only relevant if you game without an permanent Internet connection. That's my understanding anyway.

Internet connections aren't permanent. Good luck playing anything in the week after United Utilities dig through the fibre between the cabinet and the exchange, for example.

It's more the wholesale abrogation of my statutory rights that is pissing me off though.

asfish · **Joined:** 5th Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 3353

lasermink wrote:

asfish wrote:

Saturnalian wrote:

zaphod79 wrote:

TheVision wrote:

Can someone explain the "log in every 24 hours thing" to me? I'm struggling to see the reason behind needing to do that?

To prove you've not got pirated stuff on your system and that you've not sold off your games to an 'approved' vendor , its only purpose is DRM

This wouldn't affect many people whose Internet is always on and the Xbox always connected to it.

Currently I turn on my Xbox and it logs into Xbox live.

If I don't turn on my Xbone for a week and then I do, it'll log me in as usual. The 24 hour thing is only relevant if you game without an permanent Internet connection. That's my understanding anyway.

Its an odd move as the 2nd hand market must help shift new games, so If your are blocked from trading in they are just going to shift less new games?

Of course it isn't, every pirated/second hand copy is a lost sale. Don't you know anything?

It's certainly a grand experiment Microsoft has got going here.

Its a bold move, and they have more balls that Sony. If MS loose ground over this they will remove it via a dash update. Have to wonder if Sony will copy them if there is no real impact to MS sales etc??

Satsuma · **Joined:** 20th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 14364

Erm... I wasn't responding to the piracy thing by the way, just the 24 hour connection comments. Whoops.

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