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 Post subject: Re: Xbox reveal today!
PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 16:46 
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Although that does not seem to have stopped people throwing their money down with a company that will probably not exist come launch day

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/xbox-one ... er/0116237

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The internet may have spent the majority of last week shouting loudly at Microsoft, but it seems that the view of the average consumer is far more positive.

Blockbuster has revealed that since its announcement last week the Xbox One has broken all previous pre-order launches in Blockbuster’s 24-year history.

“We are delighted by the huge number of pre orders that we have received so far for the new Microsoft console,” the retailer’s head of games James Morton stated.

“At Blockbuster, we have a fantastic array of adrenaline-fuelled console games for sale or rental. Our expert staff know gaming and they know consoles and these pre-orders are testament to our customers’ trust in us as a leading gaming retailer.

“With Sony releasing the PS4 in the near future, the next few months are going to be an exciting time for our staff and customers at Blockbuster and we can’t wait to hear more details from both Sony and Microsoft at the E3 Expo next month.”


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Microsoft have disabled user comments for all of their Xbox One related YouTube videos due to bad feedback.

No idea how it fits into the discussion here.
Just thought it was worth mentioning :shrug:


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Definitely worth mentioning... Although, I can't blame them as they probably want to stop all the speculation and moaning.


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You can't really blame them, YouTube users are fucking assholes.


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The actual Virtuality machine I went on (right hand side, closest to entrance). Different game mind, I played a racing game:



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 Post subject: Re: Xbox reveal today!
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Well if you dont have anything else positive to say just be positive that you've sent your confused message out to a *lot* of people

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Xbox One Reveal Delivers Record-Breaking Viewership Numbers for Xbox

Last week was an exciting week for Xbox. With the unveiling of Xbox One, the all-in-one entertainment system for a new generation, we knew immediately Xbox fans were tuning into the announcement in record numbers. We are humbled and grateful for your loyalty and interest in the unveiling of Xbox One

The Xbox team has been working for years for this big day, with great anticipation for fan’s reaction to our big reveal. The Xbox Reveal event drove record-breaking viewership – with over 8.45 million people watching the Xbox Reveal event in the first 24 hours, rivaling one of the top-most concurrent streamed events of all time.

On Xbox.com, we nearly tripled our previous concurrency record – with almost three times as many people watching the livestream at the same time, versus any other major event in Xbox.com history. According to our friends at Akamai, our streaming partner, the Xbox Reveal event was among the most watched live broadcasts delivered by Akamai in their history, nearly doubling peak traffic records and eclipsing concurrent viewership high-water marks set by events such as the 2010 World Cup, Royal Wedding in 2011, and 2012 election night.

While a massive success online, millions of TV viewers also tuned in. Nielsen reports over 1.73 million people tuned into our briefing on SPIKE TV and the Xbox Reveal event was the #1 television show for Men 18-34 at 10 am on May 21.

The Xbox Reveal event also drove tremendous social buzz. According to Twitter, the event was the #1 non-sports social program across all TV networks and the second most social show on television on May 21, just slightly behind the NBA Playoffs.

During the Xbox Reveal event, the Xbox team showcased how Xbox One puts you at the center of all your games, TV, movies, music, sports and Skype. And how Xbox One is designed to deliver a whole new generation of blockbuster games, television and entertainment in a powerful, all-in-one device. If you missed the briefing, you can see highlights from the day here and a full recap on Xbox Wire.

With so much interest in Xbox One, we know there are unanswered questions and a desire for more information on Xbox One. We have many exciting weeks ahead where we will provide more information – including E3, which is just 15 days away. Stay tuned.

And thank you for helping us make the Xbox One Reveal event a record-breaking event.


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Oh and I bookmarked this from a link I think tweeted by Dimrill earlier this week but only got around to reading it today

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If the secondhand market is not having a major detrimental effect on the primary market, then why would it need to be addressed?

If it were the case for movies and games, then yes, I'd favor similar measures by music/movie industries to protect themselves against it.


Well, this is the disconnect I guess. You admit you only hold this view because of the detrimental effects (you think) are impacting the industry. You are asserting that a fundamental aspect of property rights and consumer rights as it has existed since the beginning of trade should be adjusted and recodified on a per-industry basis, not because it's inherently bad or unethical, but just because you think it's a threat to the industry's health. Which means you are essentially arguing for protectionism for corporations--consumers are free to exercise their consumer rights only up to a certain point, but if that free exercise is perceived to threaten the viability of the industry, then their rights must be limited in order to save the industry.

I don't think I can put into words my disgust at this demeaning display of groveling at the feet of your game developer overlords. Even a die-hard laissez-faire capitalist would not be so subservient, because even a capitalist would accept that sometimes industries die and that's the way the world works. As much as I enjoy games, there is no inherent good in this industry. The ends do not justify the means here; there is nothing that makes the gaming industry inherently worthy of preservation, not to the point that would justify carving out a special exemption for them where used games are somehow magically not OK when they are OK for every other packaged good on the planet. Just because your favored set of content producers couldn't properly adapt does not justify rewriting the rules of what "property ownership" means and fundamentally removing the ability to preserve, inherit, pass on, lend, and share its products.

The industry does not come first; consumers do. I have no sympathy for an industry that cannot properly stumble its way around a viable secondhand market like every other mature industry in the world. Sometimes your old product just isn't good enough, and the way you solve it is by making a better product, not by forcing consumers to adapt to your archaic and myopic business model with your dying breath. If this industry can't find a way to make money off the primary market -- even with DLC and exclusive pre-order content and HD re-releases and map packs and online passes and annualized sequels and "expanding the audience" and AAA advertising and forced multiplayer -- then, if I may be so blunt, fuck it. It doesn't deserve our money in the first place. If an entire industry has its head so far up its ass, is so focused on short-term gains, and has embraced such a catastrophically stupid blockbuster business model in the pursuit of a stagnant market of hardcore 18-34 dudebros that it thinks it has no choice but to take away our first-sale rights as its last chance of maybe, finally, creating a sustainable stream of profits, then it can go to hell. It doesn't need your protection, it needs to be taken out back and beaten until it remembers who its real masters are.

I especially have a hard time having any sympathy because so many of the industry's problems are of its own making. They chose to focus on shaderific HD graphics over long-lasting appeal and gameplay; they chose to focus on linear scripted cinematic B-movie imitations that were only good for one playthrough instead of replayability and open-ended design; they chose to pour so much money and marketing into military porn and fetishized violent shootbang Press A to Awesome titles, exactly the kinds of games that hardcore gamers, the most likely gamers to trade in games quickly were prone to buying and reselling; and perhaps most galling, they chose to give Gamestop loads of exclusive pre-order bonuses while they knew exactly what Gamestop would say to those customers once in the store. They kept making insanely lavish and nonsensical displays of spectacular whizz-bang, despite that being exactly the kind of game most susceptible to trading after one week because there was nothing left to do with it. And now they're discovering that putting so many insanely expensive eggs into one fragile and easily breakable basket is maybe not the most sustainable business model ever.

So forgive me if I find myself not caring one bit when the industry complains that it's just so hard to sell six million copies of Gears of Medal of Battle of Uncharted Angry Dudes VII in the first week and that's why they need to take away used sales for the entire platform. No, the problem isn't at this end.


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 Post subject: Re: Xbox reveal today!
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But surely the reason that they want to eradicate second hand sales is because for the first time they quite easily can. They aren't making it illegal, just impossible. It's up to them how they run their business and if it pisses enough people off (or if it pisses the wrong people off, like the various lawmakers) then it will have proven to be a bad decision. :shrug:


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But surely the reason that they want to eradicate second hand sales is because for the first time they quite easily can. They aren't making it illegal, just impossible. It's up to them how they run their business and if it pisses enough people off (or if it pisses the wrong people off, like the various lawmakers) then it will have proven to be a bad decision. :shrug:


Basically yes , if they want to screw things up - its their company and they can (see Chinnys post about the mess Adobe are making of their cloud service) - however there are plenty of sheep out there :-(

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/retail-r ... gh/0116364

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Critics attacked the reveal of Xbox One last week for a lack of games, too much TV content, and mixed messages on pre-owned.

But despite the backlash, UK retailers have rallied behind the new device. Buyers told MCV this week that they believe Microsoft will prove its gaming credentials at E3, dispelling concerns from fans.

But the High Street insists the platform holder must listen to the negative feedback it has received.

“I feel Microsoft was unfairly slammed by some commentators for not providing enough information. I'm sure they were keeping their powder dry for a game-packed E3 press conference,” said Green Man Gaming chief Paul Sulyok.

“It gives them time to listen and take note of consumer feedback around pre-owned games, pricing, always-on connectivity, Kinect information privacy and regionally relevant services among others. I think the console war will go in favour of the platform that listens to the consumer, publisher and retailer."

The buyer at one of the UK’s biggest games chains said: “Everyone need more clarification. But if Microsoft and suppliers want a cut of profit from pre-owned, then I can understand that.

“Ultimately, I believe Microsoft has shared its vision for the lifespan of the console and now must concentrate at gamers at E3. Otherwise they may lose them to a company in blue.”

And away from the forums, wider consumer reaction has been generally positive too, retailers claim. The console has topped pre-orders lists, with Blockbuster announcing that Xbox One is its fastest pre-ordered product in its 24 year history.

“We have been inundated with pre-order and product information requests from consumers since the reveal last week,” said Grainger Games sales director Phil Moore.

“We are confident that Microsoft have gamers backs and will produce a system that supports the video games market as a whole for many years to come.”

Commercial marketing director for The Hut, Sarah Jasper, said the firm “had an overwhelming pre-order response. We expect it to be a living room staple.”

ShopTo CEO Igor Cipolletta added: “Despite negative comments about the pre-owned model that has not been officially announced, consumer response has been extremely positive in terms of pre orders. And for the consumers that didn't like what MS has shown so far, they have placed a pre-order for the PS4 so we have an increase on both machines with Xbox One leading this week.”

But all retailers agree that Microsoft must try to win over disgruntled gamers when its press conference rolls around, or risk losing ground at launch.

“We look forward to seeing the games and some cutting edge innovations at E3,” said Sainsbury’s games boss Gurdeep Hunjan.

And the MD of indie chain Games Centre, Robert Lindsay, concludes: “Consoles need to evolve from pure gaming machines if they are to compete with the wide range of devices now available.

“At the same time they must keep gaming at their core and that’s the challenge.

“Microsoft has built up a strong relationship with core gamers. This could be undone very quickly if they don’t listen to their feedback which so far has been lukewarm at best.”

A lot rests on Microsoft's pre-E3 press conference, which takes place Monday, June 10th.


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How come people don't get so upset about music bought online or indeed games they already buy through the console? Is it just because it's in a box?


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How come people don't get so upset about music bought online


Because there's no DRM on downloaded music these days so people can already do whatever they want with it; there's no real comparison to be made here with mp3 buying.

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or indeed games they already buy through the console?


Speaking only for myself: because XBLA etc games are cheaper so I'm not bothered about reclaiming any value from them; that's not the case for a 'full' game that cost me £40. The only time I've bought a non-XBLA game through the Xbox was when Max Payne 3 was being offered at a really, really good price. Never in a millions years would I buy a full size game online for the same price I could get a boxed copy.


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Reselling issues aside, I still think games bought digitally are better products than physical copies.

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Reselling issues aside, I still think games bought digitally are better products than physical copies.


Says the man on a fat ass fibre connection.


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How come people don't get so upset about music bought online


Because there's no DRM on downloaded music these days so people can already do whatever they want with it; there's no real comparison to be made here with mp3 buying.

Not legally you can't. You might just as well argue that you can download them for free and so you should be able to do that with games too.

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or indeed games they already buy through the console?


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Speaking only for myself: because XBLA etc games are cheaper so I'm not bothered about reclaiming any value from them; that's not the case for a 'full' game that cost me £40. The only time I've bought a non-XBLA game through the Xbox was when Max Payne 3 was being offered at a really, really good price. Never in a millions years would I buy a full size game online for the same price I could get a boxed copy.

Right, so it's not really some point of principle, it just comes down to what you'd want to pay. In the post which is quoted he's going on about consumer rights.


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You might just as well argue that you can download them for free and so you should be able to do that with games too.


You might well argue that, if you were having a completely different discussion about a totally different thing. We're not though so it's not really relevant.

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Right, so it's not really some point of principle, it just comes down to what you'd want to pay. In the post which is quoted he's going on about consumer rights.


It can't be about both?


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Reselling issues aside, I still think games bought digitally are better products than physical copies.


From my point of view

Positives about buying items digitally
1) No clutter that I get moaned at to clear up
2) 'cheaper' (*)
3) 'Instant'
4) Available at any internet connection so no worries about damaging / breaking the original disks
5) 'no limits on numbers' - no problems that the shop is out of stock of the game

(*) - not always I'm quite sure for the games I could buy digitally for the 360 I could get a physical copy cheaper for most of them

Negatives
1) Unable to sell / loan / give them away to anyone else
2) If the service goes in the future I lose everything
3) If my internet connection goes I may lose access to them (in some way)
4) Time to download (and i'm on what I would consider to be a good internet connection)
5) Bandwidth (**)
6) Censorship (Amazon have in the past removed books from peoples kindles)
7) Future availability - there are some games which were available digitally which are no longer available for purchase (Outrun on the 360 for example) - whereas if it was on a disk i *could* go and track it down
8) Can be easily removed (people have had their origin or Battlenet account suspended for other reasons and lost access to all their games - people on here lost access to their 360 accounts I dont trust that they will always be there and secure)

(**) - Not an issue for me at the moment as I'm on an "unlimited" service but that will change soon and if I'm on a capped service then that could be an issue

And thats just the ones off the top of my head and before we get into the 'always online' side of things.


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You might just as well argue that you can download them for free and so you should be able to do that with games too.


You might well argue that, if you were having a completely different discussion about a totally different thing. We're not though so it's not really relevant.

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Right, so it's not really some point of principle, it just comes down to what you'd want to pay. In the post which is quoted he's going on about consumer rights.


It can't be about both?
My point was that people only seem to care about being allowed to resell the products they bought if they came in a box. Nobody resells stuff they buy on iTunes or books from Kindle. Used CDs and physical books had resale values, their electronic equivalents don't, the presence or lack of DRM is irrelevant.

Because it came in a box seems like a pretty crappy argument as to why you should be allowed to resell something. If the courts rule that software licenses have to be transferable then those other things would surely need looking at too.


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My point was that people only seem to care about being allowed to resell the products they bought if they came in a box. Nobody resells stuff they buy on iTunes or books from Kindle. Used CDs and physical books had resale values, their electronic equivalents don't, the presence or lack of DRM is irrelevant.

Because it came in a box seems like a pretty crappy argument as to why you should be allowed to resell something. If the courts rule that software licenses have to be transferable then those other things would surely need looking at too.


It's less about 'because it came in a box' and more about 'because there's absolutely no reason I shouldn't be able to apart from artificial constraints some assholes want in there'. Right now I can do whatever I want with physical games I buy by dint of them being physical objects. Microsoft are proposing to change that, to go out of their way in fact to alter this inherent property of the physical object, in service of someone else's desires. As a customer of theirs I'm not okay with that. The fact that I'm not currently moaning about not being able to resell electronically purchased goods doesn't necessarily mean I'm alright with that either and, as two wrongs don't make a right, even if I did accept one doesn't mean I have to be happy about the other.

People can currently do something they're happy about (i.e. loan/resell physically purchased games). The proposed change takes that option away. People are annoyed about having less control/options over their goods than they previously did. That's pretty much what it comes down to.


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Aye, that's all fair enough. I think that what it comes down to though, is that in the end most people won't care, or at least they won't care enough to not want to play CoD number whatever. Although thinking about it some more perhaps the big difference with CDs and books is whilst they lost the resale value they could see benefits in terms of convenience and instant gratification. If they can listen to something right this instant then not being able to resell it at some future point is not of much concern.


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The inability to track down old second hand copies is my biggest concern regarding digital goods. It hands a ridiculous amount of power to the publishers.

If they decide to edit something, it will be impossible to see the original work any more, ever. Just think of George Lucas' work on the original Star Wars trilogy to see what I mean. If it had only ever been published digitally, he could make whatever changes he wanted, and it would be like the originals had never existed at all.

If they decide that some particular piece of work should no longer exist, they can press a button, and that's it. You must buy something else from them instead. They don't even have to do it actively as such, just let a platform become "obsolete" and not provide backwards compatibility in new platforms.*

Any piece of art/entertainment from now on that is published only digitally will be susceptible to this, at least if DRM becomes unbeatable as the publishers desire.

*EDIT: And this only applies to things you "buy". In the digital world of tomorrow you will not be buying, only streaming/renting/pay-per-play, whatever. So you will be completely at the mercy of the current selection offered, they can make things disappear forever, whenever they want.


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This is all a bit obvious, I know, and at the moment the indie scene seems to be a counter force to all the DRM madness. I just seems to me that Microsoft is heading off full steam in the direction of the digital world I described above.


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I think that what it comes down to though, is that in the end most people won't care, or at least they won't care enough to not want to play CoD number whatever.


I'm totally convinced that's the case. While some people are worried about this your CoD-player-in-the-street isn't going to understand or give a shit about any of this and will just buy which ever of the two consoles they were always going to buy anyway. They might get a bit confused/annoyed further down the line when they find out they can't loan something to a mate but they're unlikely to be too bothered and it'll be too late by then anyway. I personally don't like any of this but the idea of the majority of the market boycotting the new Xbox is just impossible to imagine, sadly. Obviously there are a number of people saying they'll go straight to the PS4 this generation but it seems really likely (to me) that Sony will end up doing something very similar; at which point the only 'protest' option people would have is to buy no next-gen console at all and realistically that's not going to happen. This bullshit will become the norm purely because there's no way it won't. :(

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Although thinking about it some more perhaps the big difference with CDs and books is whilst they lost the resale value they could see benefits in terms of convenience and instant gratification. If they can listen to something right this instant then not being able to resell it at some future point is not of much concern.


That's already something some people want with games mind you. Grim is quite happy for MS to do whatever they want as long as he never needs to put a disc in a console again. ;)


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That's already something some people want with games mind you. Grim is quite happy for MS to do whatever they want as long as he never needs to put a disc in a console again. ;)

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For me, all media is transitory anyway. I'm more than happy to pay Spotify £10 a month to stream all my music, and psn £30 a year to play a load of games.
I'm happy to pay steam for a load of games I'll never even play.

I'd also be happy to pay a film provider a monthly fee to get any film I want see digitally, but as I can't I give that cash to my usenet provider instead.

The main driver for me in all of this is convenience and cost.


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Reselling issues aside, I still think games bought digitally are better products than physical copies.

That's a big thing to set aside though. I know you never (or very rarely) resell, borrow, donate, or loan games; suppose, however, that the lack of pre owned copies on the secondary market means games maintain the launch price of £40-45 for far longer. Used to picking up new copies of six-month-old games from Amazon for £18-25? It's not far-fetched to imagine that ends. There's knock-on effects here that are very far reaching and affect everyone.


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Since I only buy used games, the prospect of that avenue being closed off is a huge down vote for the nextbox.


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Reselling issues aside, I still think games bought digitally are better products than physical copies.

That's a big thing to set aside though. I know you never (or very rarely) resell, borrow, donate, or loan games; suppose, however, that the lack of pre owned copies on the secondary market means games maintain the launch price of £40-45 for far longer. Used to picking up new copies of six-month-old games from Amazon for £18-25? It's not far-fetched to imagine that ends. There's knock-on effects here that are very far reaching and affect everyone.


It's quite easy to extrapolate in this instance, that older releases won't drop in price because of the resale market MS is trying to foster.
As far as I understand it, they're talking about reselling games through them at a percentage close to original MRRP, which could mean that games take far far longer to drop in price. Particularly if you look at the fact that on their marketplace the older games they sell are frequently more expensive than they are to buy at retail.

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Microsoft are taxing used games.

When the price of one good goes up (say, with a tax), demand for a substitute good increases.

Microsoft's tax on used games will make the savings to be gained by opting for a used copy of a game lesser, so people will be more inclined to opt for new games. This will drive prices for new games up somewhat (but not as much as the tax on used games increases those prices).

Obviously used games aren't a perfect substitute for new games (some people prefer to buy new, and there are often trinkets and DLC that you only get with new games these days), but this is pretty much what will happen.

The time factor/depreciation factor is an interesting component of this, too, and I've not really thought that through properly yet.


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Who are these idiots that are buying these trinkets? I'd love to see some stats. I hate those people.


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I've learnt lots of things about economics over the years, but one of the most frustrating is that consumers are not rational decision makers.


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Well if you dont have anything else positive to say just be positive that you've sent your confused message out to a *lot* of people

http://news.xbox.com/2013/05/xbox-revea ... s-for-xbox

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Xbox One Reveal Delivers Record-Breaking Viewership Numbers for Xbox

Last week was an exciting week for Xbox. With the unveiling of Xbox One, the all-in-one entertainment system for a new generation, we knew immediately Xbox fans were tuning into the announcement in record numbers. We are humbled and grateful for your loyalty and interest in the unveiling of Xbox One

The Xbox team has been working for years for this big day, with great anticipation for fan’s reaction to our big reveal. The Xbox Reveal event drove record-breaking viewership – with over 8.45 million people watching the Xbox Reveal event in the first 24 hours, rivaling one of the top-most concurrent streamed events of all time.

On Xbox.com, we nearly tripled our previous concurrency record – with almost three times as many people watching the livestream at the same time, versus any other major event in Xbox.com history. According to our friends at Akamai, our streaming partner, the Xbox Reveal event was among the most watched live broadcasts delivered by Akamai in their history, nearly doubling peak traffic records and eclipsing concurrent viewership high-water marks set by events such as the 2010 World Cup, Royal Wedding in 2011, and 2012 election night.

While a massive success online, millions of TV viewers also tuned in. Nielsen reports over 1.73 million people tuned into our briefing on SPIKE TV and the Xbox Reveal event was the #1 television show for Men 18-34 at 10 am on May 21.

The Xbox Reveal event also drove tremendous social buzz. According to Twitter, the event was the #1 non-sports social program across all TV networks and the second most social show on television on May 21, just slightly behind the NBA Playoffs.

During the Xbox Reveal event, the Xbox team showcased how Xbox One puts you at the center of all your games, TV, movies, music, sports and Skype. And how Xbox One is designed to deliver a whole new generation of blockbuster games, television and entertainment in a powerful, all-in-one device. If you missed the briefing, you can see highlights from the day here and a full recap on Xbox Wire.

With so much interest in Xbox One, we know there are unanswered questions and a desire for more information on Xbox One. We have many exciting weeks ahead where we will provide more information – including E3, which is just 15 days away. Stay tuned.

And thank you for helping us make the Xbox One Reveal event a record-breaking event.


Was this article written for the Onion?

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Was this article written for the Onion?


It does read like it but MVC always seem to spin crap PR stuff into crap stories

Listening to some podcasts this week (virtually all American based) and they see this more as an attack on Gamestop than the loan / give away / sell on ebay I assume because thats what a lot of Americans do , they buy the game at $60 , complete it and trade it into gamestop for $20 and Gamestop price it up at $55 and sell it to the next person that comes in.

The notion of selling it privately , or even giving it away to someone did not really come up - they were just focused on the 'new' game going out and coming back into gamestop to be sold at a $5 discount to the next person

Interestingly none looked at the older game stuff where I know I've bought games for £17 'new' and then traded it into game for around £10 (and then used that for itunes cards ;-)
They seem to have this one idea of how it works in their head and cant quite grasp that it might be different for different people , or that it might be different in other countries


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Who are these idiots that are buying these trinkets? I'd love to see some stats. I hate those people.


No one really is. Every major store gets some kind of bullshit exclusive DLC for major releases but most people just make their choice based on the normal factors (i.e. price and personal preferred supplier) and accept the trinkets as a bonus. The fucking publishers take this as some kind of validation of their idiot approach ("People are buying games from all these big suppliers, it must be because they want the trinkets!”) and keep on doing it while the game buying public carry on without giving a fuck. It's all tremendously stupid.


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I have definitely seen people go out of their way and happily pay more to receive trinkets. A significant amount of people.


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Reselling issues aside, I still think games bought digitally are better products than physical copies.

That's a big thing to set aside though. I know you never (or very rarely) resell, borrow, donate, or loan games; suppose, however, that the lack of pre owned copies on the secondary market means games maintain the launch price of £40-45 for far longer. Used to picking up new copies of six-month-old games from Amazon for £18-25? It's not far-fetched to imagine that ends. There's knock-on effects here that are very far reaching and affect everyone.


This is something I'd tried, and probably failed, to bring up in previous debates about the second hand market. The fact that a second hand market even exists is going to have some kind of effect on prices across the board and we won't know what that it is until someone manages to dismantle it, which MS' approach is pretty likely to do. It seems unlikely that not competing with a second hand market will cause a drop in the price of new games so it's worth worrying that the effect will be as you describe.


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I'm now finding it really hard to regret having completely lost interest in gaming over the last couple of years.

At least with this generation I felt bad for not buying stuff and hardly playing what I did. All this shite has erased that. Fuck them and their desperately trying to work around centuries-long legal standing.


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I'm now finding it really hard to regret having completely lost interest in gaming over the last couple of years.

At least with this generation I felt bad for not buying stuff and hardly playing what I did. All this shite has erased that. Fuck them and their desperately trying to work around centuries-long legal standing.


Actually, no.

Fuck them for not producing games that I will pay more than $30 for when new.

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My rather undetailed view on this.

Given the exponential growth in development cost per generational progression, and also given that the baseline price per new game hasn't moved fundamentally in 20 years, if developers stand a chance if making any money in the next generation, they'll have to either increase the new game RRP significantly, or have some form of preown revenue mechanism.

I don't believe for a second that the Xbox fixed price for a preown transfer is £35 for the entire life of the console. But it will take some time to bed down.

I also think that PS4 won't bake the preown restriction into the system architecture, but devs will still build it in on a game by game basis. So go the PS4 route, you'll have the same restrictions in time but feel happier about it on day 1.


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Given the exponential growth in development cost per generational progression, and also given that the baseline price per new game hasn't moved fundamentally in 20 years, if developers stand a chance if making any money in the next generation, they'll have to either increase the new game RRP significantly, or have some form of preown revenue mechanism.


*Or* realise that having COD numbers for their fairly average game is not going to happen.

I know its the same few games which are brought up as examples of this , but the recent Tomb Raider was a very good game , got good reviews , and you would think sold well.

The numbers came out and in their launch window they sold about 3.5 million copies so you think well thats a good number they should be happy , but what came back was they expected way way more than that and the game was a 'failure'

*some* of the reason for that failure is being blamed on the pre-owned market

I'm sure your correct that if Microsoft is doing this then Sony is going to do the same in some fashion , however Microsoft are the ones who made the stupid mistake of letting senior execs talk about it before they unveiled all the details which means there are just small bits of information out there which are all up for debate / to be changed

Given the negative press I dont know if Microsoft will do something at E3 (or around that time) to try and answer these questions or if they will just clam up and wait to see what happens.

BTW I also think a good move for both Microsoft and Sony would be to copy Nintendo and start doing monthly 'conference' things in the lead up to the new consoles launch to give out more info on games / plans / etc etc , I'm really looking forward to the next Nintendo one and given they are so regular even if its just a few new screenshots or a little bit more info on a game they do seem to be getting some good coverage in the media


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Just got an email from Amazon inviting me to preorder the 'bone for £599.99...


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And I got an email from Amazon inviting me to trade in Tomb Raider for £20 this weekend. Which I'm going to do as I'll have finished it by tomorrow and having paid just £25 for it that means I'll have had a good 10 hours worth of entertainment for £5.

I shall miss these heady days.

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Just got an email from Amazon inviting me to preorder the 'bone for £599.99...

Worth pointing out the Amazon site says categorically this is only a placeholder price. Before anyone freaks out, like.


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Given the exponential growth in development cost per generational progression, and also given that the baseline price per new game hasn't moved fundamentally in 20 years, if developers stand a chance if making any money in the next generation, they'll have to either increase the new game RRP significantly, or have some form of preown revenue mechanism.
I'm unconvinced "our business model is shit" is a good reason to throw the doctrine of first sale under the bus. It smacks of "home taping is killing music" and "the VHS recorder is to the movie industry as the Boston Strangler is to women alone at home".


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Obviously the answer is freemium games. Pay nothing for the base CoD XII game but buy bullets with real money.


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Obviously the answer is freemium games. Pay nothing for the base CoD XII game but buy bullets with real money.

Nope. Pay £40 for the base CoD XII game but buy bullets with real money.


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Obviously the answer is freemium games. Pay nothing for the base CoD XII game but buy bullets with real money.

Nope. Pay £40 for the base CoD XII game but buy bullets with real money.


Pay £60 for the base cod game (its new!) , then buy bullets with real money (in odd amounts that wont fit into the gun clips unless you pay to upgrade then) oh and the bullets will be gun specific , then buy the maps separate , then pay for your online time in seconds , then pay for your armour and kill streaks , oh and dont forget those paint cammo's so your gun doesnt look like everyone elses

And after that do what happens with every COD game - spent at least 70% of your time sitting in a lobby !


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This image is doing the rounds this afternoon as a 'leaked' picture of some Microsoft titles to be shown at E3 , most of the speculation says fake but who knows

FYI - Microsoft information on how to watch their E3 presentation

http://majornelson.com/2013/05/31/how-t ... -briefing/

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E3 is almost here, so I wanted to let you know how you can watch the Xbox E3 2013 Media Briefing show
“Xbox: A new Generation of Games Revealed.”

Watch the main event live at 12:30p ET/9:30a PT/16:30 GMT via the live global stream that will be available on Xbox LIVE and Xbox.com. If you are in the US or Canada, you can also watch the broadcast on Spike TV.
The show will be 90-minutes and be presented without commercial interruptions.

The full show will be available later in the day for viewing via video on demand on Xbox.com and Xbox LIVE.

PLUS That Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday I’ll be hosting a live one-hour show from the show each day. During each hour we’ll take a closer look at some of the announcements, interviews with developers, gameplay and more.

Show Day Time Where watch

Xbox: A new Generation of Games Revealed

June 10 12:30p – 2p ET Xbox LIVE Xbox.com & Spike TV (US/Canada)

Xbox @ E3 – LIVE coverage from the show June 11 7p – 8p ET Xbox LIVE and Xbox.com
Xbox @ E3 – LIVE coverage from the show June 12 7p – 8p ET Xbox LIVE and Xbox.com
Xbox @ E3 – LIVE coverage from the show June 13 7p – 8p ET Xbox LIVE and Xbox.com


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