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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 0:12 
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There's some amazing Indie titles on Steam, such as To The Moon, Amnesia: The Dark Descent and Dear Esther (to name but three off the top of my head).

And yes, Steam is slow for me too!


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 0:59 

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Follow me on twitter for near-daily updates on how much of a total cunt I regard Steam to be. Presently I'm using to for FM2013 and killing the process as soon as the FM window appears. I've set it to offline mode, to stop the wretched thing self-updating or anything else it might use to keep me waiting fifteen fucking minutes to play the game I want a quick go of and now every time i launch the game, after the regulation minute sat there doing absolutely fuck all, I get a nag dialogue telling me I can't talk to my friends if I don't let it go online.

Steam can basically eat shit and die. So can SI for giving me no other option.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:07 

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Amazing scenes. I've never found Steam to be anything other than fantastic. It was a bit of a cunt when offline mode stopped working whilst I was without internet for a few weeks when we moved into the new flat, but other than that I've always loved it.

What's happening with it for you GY? Is it just FM2013 needing a lot of updates or something?


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:14 
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Steam is great, but it is a bit slow and clunky, and it is fucking annoying when it forces an update when all you want to do is play your game. I can see where GY is coming from, but I only buy PC games through Steam these days, as it is so bloody convenient.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 15:20 
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The updates can be slow and annoying yes.

A couple of days back my lady bought me a game and I went to log in and ended up waiting about ten minutes just to get into Steam to download it.

Mind you that was on my laptop and it's not exactly cutting edge (core 2 duo).

I'd love to sit and complain about it but I just can't. For all of its small annoyances it is very good overall. I love the sales on there as it allows me to spend a week stocking up on games, then the rest of the year to play them.

The best part though is how easy it is to keep your games safe (which is a worry as you don't get any media and I'm on a terribly slow internet connection). Basically all you do is just install Steam back to where it was before (in the event of a reinstall that I had no choice on a few weeks ago due to changing mobos) and it immediately finds all of your games so you don't have to download them again.

Now Origin? Jesus wept :spew: I ended up having to re-download BF3 which is well over 20gb *fumes*

Steam has also recently allowed you to spread your games over multiple drives which is completely ace. It was the only gripe I really had because I don't like running massive hard drives due to failure. I run several 500gb drives (eggs and baskets and all that).

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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 18:59 
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I can't praise Steam enough, particularly since as Microsoft have incrementally fucked the 360's interface over the years, Steam has remained slick and streamlined and a great place to manage games from.

I've been a member of it pretty much since the start in 2003, and it's never fucked up once.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 20:00 

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Zio wrote:
What's happening with it for you GY? Is it just FM2013 needing a lot of updates or something?


No, nothing NEEDS updating, if it already runs. What happened was after buying every FM since the first one for my Atari ST Sports Interactive decided in 2008 that I needed to have my user experience ruined with copy protection. Several million customers, myself included, asked them not to do it and said it would fucke verything up. Come launch day, I and many others who had taken the day off work couldn't get their legit copies verified by the shitty online licencing shit, so we had to take the pirate's word for it that the game was any good. To resolve this in future, SI decided they'd make the game be a Steam only game, even if you go out and buy it in a box.

The problems this brings are several. Firstly, I now have to have Steam installed on my computer when I don't want or need it. Steam takes ages to boot, pisses and moans if you've selected a mode it would prefer you not to and hangs more than any other software I use on this machine, none of which ever seems to hang. Now, I play football manager with some extra software, namely FMScout and FMRTE... both of which only work with the update of FM that existed when their last version was released. This never used to be a problem, updates to FM were telegraphed by SI for a good fortnight before they hit so there would only be small periods where the software (which is now paid software) wasn't compatible. Now, being on steam, SI fire updates at FM with stupid regularity, patching every last little thing on an ongoing basis. Fine if you don't use editors, ruinous if you do. Now, the solution one might think would be to disable automatic updates of FM but certainly with last year's version (I've not had this year's long) Steam would ignore my specific instruction not to update. I sent in complaints and asked on their forums (separate account needed, another bullshit arseache) and got no solution back from anyone. Steam themselves ignored me. They also don't respond on twitter.

That's not to mention that sometimes Steam itself will insist on updating before it lets you run a game off it, which is inexcusable. Software you've paid for should run by itself on any given machine. I don't need, want or use steam but I'm forced to by SI. After last year I swore I'd never pay for FM again while it was on Steam, as they wasted hours of my time but inevitably this is the first year no warez version has been found to work. Reluctantly, I've paid again... and again I'm sat here waiting ages for Steam to launch before FM will launch, just so I can kill the Steam process as soon as it does. It's a momumental fuck you to the loyal end user.

Steam might be alright for other games, but I don't care. I don't want other games. If they ignore my complaints, dictate what I do with my own machine and so on, they can kiss my arse. I'll use whatever other means I can.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 22:04 
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Why don't you just tell Steam to boot at startup so that it/your games will always be up to date already?


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 23:08 
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Let the guy vent.

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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 23:19 

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LewieP wrote:
Why don't you just tell Steam to boot at startup so that it/your games will always be up to date already?


Because I don't want it to update or update my game. And it would slow down my boot process each time I boot, whether I intend to use the game or not.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 23:21 
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Well you can tell it not to update the game, although the client will still need to update from time to time.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 23:34 

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Oh for fuck's sake, Lewie. I've already said I don't want it to and that setting FM to not update hasn't worked in the past and that trying to get Steam to acknowledge me over the issue has been fruitless. Rad the damn post. In fact some times I boot up for a quick half hour game and don't get on the thing at all.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 15:13 

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Without wishing to rub your nose in it GY, though I appreciate that's more or less exactly what I am doing, I have never had anything like the problems you describe and I've got over 275 games in my Steam library. Okay, so I haven't played all of them, in fact I doubt I've even played half of them, but still. Occasionally it needs to update the client, but it does this in seconds usually, and I hardly have the world's fastest broadband at home. I doubt having Steam launch at startup or running in the background would have any appreciable difference on the performance of your PC - certainly it seems to have no real-world negative impact on any PC I've ever run it on.

It's just a bit of a sad fact of life that PC games developers now insist on incorporating anti-piracy measures. Steam seems to be the most user-friendly and least invasive of all the popular DRM methods out there at the moment too. Everything else you've mentioned seems to be an issue you'd need to take up with SI - they're the ones who've opted to make the game Steam only and they're the ones rolling out updates for it every 5 minutes.

Edit: of course, if you did leave Steam to boot at launch and update in the background, it wouldn't need to perform updates every time you tried to launch FM.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 15:29 
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Zio wrote:
I have never had anything like the problems you describe and I've got over 275 games in my Steam library.


I think whats being missed (and attempting to stop GY going mad again) is that he's doing this 'not updating' for a specific reason.

He's playing the game with a number of special add ons so every time the system goes 'oh this needs an update' and does this to the game its broken for him for a long period of time while he goes and either undoes what the system had just done , or goes and re-downloads and re-applies the other things he's using.

The two answers to this seem to be 'dont use the add on stuff then' - however he wants to and its his game so why not or set it up so it doesnt automatically break (which he's tried numerous times but it keeps happening).

If it was a game I wanted to play and it went to the extent that this game seems to be going to annoy me i'd be pirating it - i bet a pirated copy wouldn't give any of these problems and I could do what i wanted with it.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 15:38 
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And while we're on the steam love / hate thing - Steam doesnt like Windows 8 very much

I have a laptop which is not that high powered but good enough for some basic steam games and yet most games when installed via steam need me to go in and fiddle with things to get them working (or just give up).

Street Fighter IV Arcade edition for example installs incompatible GFWL stuff that breaks it , so i had to go in , strip out some files , patch others , and then manually go and install the latest GFWL stuff to my machine and then re-download it to get it to work.

Fallout 3 currently doesnt run , I bought it when it was cheap before Xmas (i think about £2) , it installs but crashes on statup , reading up about it i needed to go in , patch another file , edit an ini file to take out settings for different CPU's and the last set of instructions are to clear it off and try again after changing the version of .NET framework which i have installed - at this stage I just left it - i might go back in or may just ignore it.

I do know what i'm doing with a PC but you look at some of this stuff and think this is why people play games on consoles - you put the game in and play - you dont need to go and fiddle and break other things to just play a basic game - some of the arguments for this seem to be that i should not assume that an 'older' game should simply work on my new laptop but why not ? , and where does it tell me at the start that this is not compatible unless you want to go in and start hacking at stuff to get it to work !

(This is not a request for help - I'm perfectly capable of using Google and getting the games working or firing up VM / Parallels / Bootcamp on my Mac and playing the games on there - but these seem to be fairly typical problems with trying to play games on PC and are often skipped over when we have the regular PC vs console debates)


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 15:40 

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zaphod79 wrote:
If it was a game I wanted to play and it went to the extent that this game seems to be going to annoy me i'd be pirating it - i bet a pirated copy wouldn't give any of these problems and I could do what i wanted with it.


Oh, very much :this:

I tend not to pirate much at all these days (ironically largely down to Steam's sales), but with something like this I'd pirate the fuck out of it. You wouldn't need Steam at all then.

Unfortunately, GY also suggests that he's not been able to find a dodgy copy of this one anywhere so far.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 15:43 
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Could he not, say, make the game files read only or remove permissions to write over thm?
(Really, I dont know whether this wold cause a safe fail or prevent the game from running because why would I ever need to)


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 18:33 
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zaphod79 wrote:
And while we're on the steam love / hate thing - Steam doesnt like Windows 8 very much

I have a laptop which is not that high powered but good enough for some basic steam games and yet most games when installed via steam need me to go in and fiddle with things to get them working (or just give up).

Street Fighter IV Arcade edition for example installs incompatible GFWL stuff that breaks it , so i had to go in , strip out some files , patch others , and then manually go and install the latest GFWL stuff to my machine and then re-download it to get it to work.

Fallout 3 currently doesnt run , I bought it when it was cheap before Xmas (i think about £2) , it installs but crashes on statup , reading up about it i needed to go in , patch another file , edit an ini file to take out settings for different CPU's and the last set of instructions are to clear it off and try again after changing the version of .NET framework which i have installed - at this stage I just left it - i might go back in or may just ignore it.

I do know what i'm doing with a PC but you look at some of this stuff and think this is why people play games on consoles - you put the game in and play - you dont need to go and fiddle and break other things to just play a basic game - some of the arguments for this seem to be that i should not assume that an 'older' game should simply work on my new laptop but why not ? , and where does it tell me at the start that this is not compatible unless you want to go in and start hacking at stuff to get it to work !

(This is not a request for help - I'm perfectly capable of using Google and getting the games working or firing up VM / Parallels / Bootcamp on my Mac and playing the games on there - but these seem to be fairly typical problems with trying to play games on PC and are often skipped over when we have the regular PC vs console debates)


But you're trying to play relatively old games on a brand new operating system, which is positively asking for trouble.

As a gamer there's no way I'd even entertain the possibility of moving to Windows 8 yet, even if I loved it pieces (rather than wishing I could nuke the entire bastard OS from orbit, just to be sure).

I stuck on XP for years rather than risk problems with Vista, I only made the move forward when Windows 7 was well established.

An operating system is a platform to run other things on, why move to a wobbly new untested platform when you want to play years old games on it?

I'm not saying some people don't have problems playing games on their PC, because they clearly do, but the examples you've given there zaphod were 100% avoidable if you hadn't jumped head-first into using a brand new OS.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 19:35 

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zaphod79 wrote:
Zio wrote:
I have never had anything like the problems you describe and I've got over 275 games in my Steam library.


I think whats being missed (and attempting to stop GY going mad again) is that he's doing this 'not updating' for a specific reason.

He's playing the game with a number of special add ons so every time the system goes 'oh this needs an update' and does this to the game its broken for him for a long period of time while he goes and either undoes what the system had just done , or goes and re-downloads and re-applies the other things he's using.

The two answers to this seem to be 'dont use the add on stuff then' - however he wants to and its his game so why not or set it up so it doesnt automatically break (which he's tried numerous times but it keeps happening).

If it was a game I wanted to play and it went to the extent that this game seems to be going to annoy me i'd be pirating it - i bet a pirated copy wouldn't give any of these problems and I could do what i wanted with it.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 19:43 

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Zio wrote:
I doubt having Steam launch at startup or running in the background would have any appreciable difference on the performance of your PC


I don't, because it does. I've had a play with this and other bootup software, Steam's the one that slows it up significantly.

The other day I had a free half-hour and wanted to rattle off a couple of matches. Steam of course had to be run before I could run my game... and took fifteen minutes to update itself. My internet is running like a ruddy dream at the moment, 6.56mbps with shite all ping.

I suppose Steam is like this bedroom tax business - the best solution anyone has had so far to solve a variety of issues, but with a small number of people being utterly fucked over by it. I'd just like my Guardian interview, that's all.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 22:24 
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I'd pirate the game then.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 23:48 
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AtrocityExhibition wrote:
But you're trying to play relatively old games on a brand new operating system, which is positively asking for trouble.


When is an 'old game' old ?

I already have both games for my xbox - just for a few quid i thought i might as well pick it up on the PC as well and for the laptop I thought i could play them if i was not at home.

Fallout 3 came out in October 2008 so its 4 and a bit years old
Street Fighter IV Arcade Edition came out in April 2010 so its nearly 3 years old

I wouldn't consider either *that* old , and given the laptop is not a 'gaming machine' I wouldn't dream of going near something new because it would simply be unplayable

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As a gamer there's no way I'd even entertain the possibility of moving to Windows 8 yet, even if I loved it pieces (rather than wishing I could nuke the entire bastard OS from orbit, just to be sure).


New laptop and it came with Windows 8 pre-installed , yes I could nuke it , gather up the drivers and put Windows 7 on it but thats a lot of work for a machine that i'm using for other things and that i just wanted to play some games on

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I stuck on XP for years rather than risk problems with Vista, I only made the move forward when Windows 7 was well established.


Same here , although I tried Vista and 7 when they came out

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An operating system is a platform to run other things on, why move to a wobbly new untested platform when you want to play years old games on it?


See above - i'm using the laptop for other things - games was a nice to have , not the purpose of the machine - I also disagree that Windows 8 is 'wobbly' and the issues that i've given would both affect it even if it was an absolutely *perfect* OS , the SF4 issue is that Steam is setup to download the wrong stuff so you need to manually rip it out and put the right stuff on manually first - from what i can tell Fallout3 doesn't like new hardware and is incompatible with a lot of stuff so you need to manually fiddle it to ignore those things - neither is related to the stability or not of Windows 8

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I'm not saying some people don't have problems playing games on their PC, because they clearly do, but the examples you've given there zaphod were 100% avoidable if you hadn't jumped head-first into using a brand new OS.


I disagree - The fixes I was following for Fallout 3 are for Windows 7 users as well and as mentioned the machine I have came with Windows 8 pre-installed - for a 'new' user your actually suggesting that they wipe the OS on their machine and buy an old one to put on so they can play games - that doesn't seem very practical ?


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 0:08 
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zaphod79 wrote:
AtrocityExhibition wrote:
An operating system is a platform to run other things on, why move to a wobbly new untested platform when you want to play years old games on it?


See above - i'm using the laptop for other things - games was a nice to have , not the purpose of the machine - I also disagree that Windows 8 is 'wobbly' and the issues that i've given would both affect it even if it was an absolutely *perfect* OS , the SF4 issue is that Steam is setup to download the wrong stuff so you need to manually rip it out and put the right stuff on manually first - from what i can tell Fallout3 doesn't like new hardware and is incompatible with a lot of stuff so you need to manually fiddle it to ignore those things - neither is related to the stability or not of Windows 8


Indeed. That valve are not particularly supportive of windows 8 is hardly a particularly well hidden secret

If they cared, steam would barely have any more problems with installing stuff correctly than 7, but that's not the strategy they've chosen.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 19:27 
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:( That explains it then. I recently got one of these:

Lenovo IdeaPad Z580 Laptop, Intel Core i7-3520M 2.9GHz, 8GB RAM, 750GB HDD, 15.6 HD LED, DVDRW, Intel HD, Webcam, Windows 8 64

and installed steam because you lot seem to like it (or so I thought!) but its having problems presumably due to windows 8. It came with the laptop so I didn't have a choice in the matter and I don't have a way of getting my hands on win7 at the moment.

Anyway, before I go buying stuff that will look like a jittery mess when I try to play it, what sort of games is it likely to be able to run?

I got sim city 4 (which is ace) and it seems to have trouble with the [mode where you drive a car around on the streets whatever thats called] mode. I am a tad disappointed at that but not heart broken as I didnt really buy it for gaming on, just thought it should be able to handle an old game like that ?:|


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 20:26 
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krazywookie wrote:
:( That explains it then. I recently got one of these:

Lenovo IdeaPad Z580 Laptop, Intel Core i7-3520M 2.9GHz, 8GB RAM, 750GB HDD, 15.6 HD LED, DVDRW, Intel HD, Webcam, Windows 8 64

and installed steam because you lot seem to like it (or so I thought!) but its having problems presumably due to windows 8. It came with the laptop so I didn't have a choice in the matter and I don't have a way of getting my hands on win7 at the moment.

Anyway, before I go buying stuff that will look like a jittery mess when I try to play it, what sort of games is it likely to be able to run?

I got sim city 4 (which is ace) and it seems to have trouble with the [mode where you drive a car around on the streets whatever thats called] mode. I am a tad disappointed at that but not heart broken as I didnt really buy it for gaming on, just thought it should be able to handle an old game like that ?:|


I have yet to have find something that I can't get running on w8.

Magicka required playing around with XNA redist, and dark souls/batman required similar with gfwl.

Intel HD can be troublesome though - many things just plain don't render on it.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 13:12 
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Fuck sake. Just fired up Steam to play a couple of demos and got hit with a mandatory 110MB update to download. Which then hung at 107MB before throwing a 'fatal error' because it no longer thinks my net connection's up and running. Excellent stuff there.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
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Yes, but other people don't have problems with Steam so 'console' yourself with that knowledge until Gabe decides you can play your games.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
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GovernmentYard wrote:
Yes, but other people don't have problems with Steam so 'console' yourself with that knowledge until Gabe decides you can play your games.


To be fair when I launched it again it did a second 3MB download and then started up as normal but yeah, it's not brilliant.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 13:28 
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I just had to uninstall Steam because it wouldn't start up at all. No window, no messages, nothing.


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The Linux Client seems to have an update every time I load it up. Last night's update seemed to go a bit pear-shaped, but it's attempted it again today and worked fine. Good to see it's getting updates though - I'm hoping support for more games will be added - of the *checks* 299 (cripes) games listed in Steam, 35 of them have a linux version.

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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 17:00 
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There is a good question. I don't think i'm too bad, but it is still rather crazy to have the following.

71 games in my steam library, of which I have played (as in installed and started at least once)
21 games, of which I have played more than once
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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 17:10 
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Pleasantly surprised to see that I have 51 games in my 'recent' list, so at least I've played some of them I suppose. As for completing them..

Safecracker
Puzzle Kingdoms
Peggle & Peggle Nights (I did this on the Xbox too.. sucker that I am)
Bejeweled 3 (as much as it can be completed at least)
Bookworm Adventures Vol. 1 and 2. (Not exactly difficult though)
Puzzle Agent (Had to cheat a bit on that as I didn't think a couple of the puzzles were particularly well explained)

I notice Scratches runs under Linux so I might give that a go - it runs horrendously on my Windows partition.

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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 22:17 
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devilman wrote:
The Linux Client seems to have an update every time I load it up. Last night's update seemed to go a bit pear-shaped, but it's attempted it again today and worked fine. Good to see it's getting updates though - I'm hoping support for more games will be added - of the *checks* 299 (cripes) games listed in Steam, 35 of them have a linux version.


Have you enabled steam beta, or something? Or maybe it updates and I don't notice, as it's running every second my PC is.

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 Post subject: Re: Steam
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I hope this summer sale ends soon or I'll be bankrupt. So far I've picked up:

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Counter-Strike GO
Fallout New Vegas Ultimate
Fez
Surgeon Simulator 2013
I Am Alive
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:27 
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I'm incredibly choosy with the Steam sales these days, I went a bit nuts one year and ended up with a massive list of games I've never even installed, much less actually played.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter how cheap a game is, if you're never going to play it you've still paid far too much for it.

Free time is the limiting factor for me, not cost, so I buy games based on an honest assessment of, 'Am I going to install this and play it through, ever, or not?'


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:38 
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Can someone answer this, whenever I play a game on Steam it loads up like it's the first time I've ever played it.

For instance, last night I clicked on Hotline Miami. The initial screenshot said that I'd played it for 50 odd minutes already but the pop up box said something like "initialising Hotline Miami for the first time. Step 1/4"

It then went on to install Direct X amongst other things but when the game eventually started, it had all my saves intact so it clearly knew I'd played it before.

What's going on?


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:54 
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The steam sale isn't that great, in the sense that the daily deals are the same titles with different discounts depending on the day.

Although I must admit to picking up:

Scribblenauts Unlimited
Darksiders
Darksiders 2
System Shock 2 (£1.74!)

And I keep getting these pointless electronic trading cards, which I sell instantly on the community market and then get 20 or 30p off my next purchase.

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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:00 
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TheVision wrote:
Can someone answer this, whenever I play a game on Steam it loads up like it's the first time I've ever played it.

For instance, last night I clicked on Hotline Miami. The initial screenshot said that I'd played it for 50 odd minutes already but the pop up box said something like "initialising Hotline Miami for the first time. Step 1/4"

It then went on to install Direct X amongst other things but when the game eventually started, it had all my saves intact so it clearly knew I'd played it before.

What's going on?

Your Steam install is probably corrupt. Try reinstalling?

Or get a 360.

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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:01 
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I was going to buy Deadlight and then when i was about to pay i noticed that i already had that game. That was the turning point for me. I guess the only games i really "need" this sale are Dark Souls and Rogue Legacy.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:09 
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A quick Google shows me that loads of people are having this problem too and it doesn't look like there's an easy fix.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:11 
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TheVision wrote:
Can someone answer this, whenever I play a game on Steam it loads up like it's the first time I've ever played it.

For instance, last night I clicked on Hotline Miami. The initial screenshot said that I'd played it for 50 odd minutes already but the pop up box said something like "initialising Hotline Miami for the first time. Step 1/4"

It then went on to install Direct X amongst other things but when the game eventually started, it had all my saves intact so it clearly knew I'd played it before.

What's going on?


That shouldn't happen, there's no way around every game installing DirectX the first time you play it, explanation here - http://www.geek.com/games/why-does-ever ... x-1558718/

But thereafter you shouldn't get it for that game. Possible fixes abound if you have a Google, usually involves deleting stuff out of the Steam folder.

Is it doing a full reinstall of DirectX for you, or just sort of a 'check'? Dishonored for me for example, looks like it's kicking off the installer again and shows step 1/4, but it disappears after literally one second and doesn't actually install anything, and just launches the game normally.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:31 
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AtrocityExhibition wrote:
Is it doing a full reinstall of DirectX for you, or just sort of a 'check'? Dishonored for me for example, looks like it's kicking off the installer again and shows step 1/4, but it disappears after literally one second and doesn't actually install anything, and just launches the game normally.


In the times when this has happened to me this is what I get; it does the check every time but then realises it doesn't need to do anything and moves on. In the past, for some games, it has taken a good few minutes to do the check though which is teeth-grindingly irritating. I've never cared enough to go looking for a solution as it'll no doubt be a horrible combination of general Windows installer bullshit and the extra fun Steam sometimes brings to the party.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:32 
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It goes through the whole process of checking, downloading and installing every time.

I've seen that I should delete some things to get it to work. I'll give that a go later and see what happens.

It's pretty annoying. I wanted a quick go on Hotline Miami last night but it took at least 5 minutes to get into it I reckon.


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:56 
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So, I keep getting all these cards that mean fuck all to me. Apparently you can combine them to get more "XP" or something like that. This past weekend I got around a dozen cards for doing stuff that I was doing anyway, I did have them all in my inventory doing nothing, but I figured why not sell them.
Currently I have just over £1 in my account after putting them all up for sale this morning, and another couple of quids worth sitting on the market waiting to be sold.

Not a bad return for nothing!


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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:59 
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I got all ten different Summer Getaway ones, so combined them together to make the badge and got an emoticon and a background image - wowee. Sold the rest.

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 Post subject: Re: Steam
PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:03 
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You paid around £1.50 for that background and emoticon, I hope they are suitably epic...

From now on I'm just going to put every card I get on the marketplace as soon as I get it.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:08 
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Trooper wrote:
You paid around £1.50 for that background and emoticon, I hope they are suitably epic...

Depends how much I can sell them for in a few months time, I guess.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:18 
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SilentElk wrote:
Trooper wrote:
You paid around £1.50 for that background and emoticon, I hope they are suitably epic...

Depends how much I can sell them for in a few months time, I guess.


What are they worth at the moment? The individual cards are around 15p each right now.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:21 
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Trooper wrote:
SilentElk wrote:
Trooper wrote:
You paid around £1.50 for that background and emoticon, I hope they are suitably epic...

Depends how much I can sell them for in a few months time, I guess.


What are they worth at the moment? The individual cards are around 15p each right now.

3p each.

I'm playing the long game.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:23 
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SilentElk wrote:
Trooper wrote:
SilentElk wrote:
Trooper wrote:
You paid around £1.50 for that background and emoticon, I hope they are suitably epic...

Depends how much I can sell them for in a few months time, I guess.


What are they worth at the moment? The individual cards are around 15p each right now.

3p each.

I'm playing the long game.


:D

Only 4 items left to sell now, they seem to go pretty quickly.

Who are the people buying this shit?


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