Elite

Malc · **Posted:** Wed Jan 02, 2013 20:37

lasermink wrote:

Dimrill wrote:

I'M FUCKING GETTING A NEW ELITE GAME!

Malc

metalangel · **Posted:** Wed Jan 02, 2013 20:41

chinnyhill10 wrote:

Trooper wrote:

Call me a crazy old traditionalist, but i'm going to wait until there is an actual game that has been developed that I can buy, before I give them any money

Given how much they have to show in development I think its a safe bet. Although I think they have over promised. If we ever get to go big game hunting on planets, walk around space stations and stow away on other peoples ships etc, I'll eat my hat.

The game might be worth buying at that stage!

In the meantime you can keep walking around your captain's quarters in EvE waiting for them to never finish the station interiors.

GovernmentYard · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5318

Dimrill wrote:

I'M FUCKING GETTING A NEW ELITE GAME!

Well, you're certainly getting a new game with Elite written on the box.

Alarm · **Posted:** Wed Jan 02, 2013 21:02

Huzzah!

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

OMG! OMG! OMG!

Lets hope the Mac version stretch goal is met otherwise I'll be Bootcamping.

Remember though, he still has to deliver. I think we'll get something but do set your expectations to "72%". Then you'll be pleasantly surprised if its good.

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

FUCK YEAH!

metalangel · **Posted:** Wed Jan 02, 2013 22:03

chinnyhill10 wrote:

FUCK YEAH!

Not pictured:
-the two Eagles being told unlawful weapon discharge isn't allowed here
-our hero being fined to taking off without permission from traffic control
-"Hello, I'm Officer Maxipad. Please get out your owner's manual."
-20 minutes of our hero and the pirates slingshotting back and forth, firing constantly, but no shots connecting
-"Hello, I'm Uglor McBadface. I want passage to Bernard's (sic) Star. I have 27 friends coming with me."
-after the aforementioned 20 minutes, one of the Eagle collides with great force into our hero, blowing both of them up, resulting in well done Commander.

(oh how I wish I'd had Frontier when it first came out. I doubt I'd have ever played any other games ever)

NervousPete · **Posted:** Wed Jan 02, 2013 22:10

You know, I loved the original FutureStupidFace people in Frontier. They were from the future! And dressed future-appropriately! It was like the 1990's equivilent of all those people from thousands of worlds in Buck Rogers who all dressed as if they were headed to a disco. BUT IN THE FUTURE. I was astonished frankly that there weren't any hair curtains. I hope they use the same art.

I am cautiously looking forward to nu-Elite, but have elected not to hold my breath waiting for it, as it's Braben we're talking about here. I bet he's going to take his sweet fucking time.

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

metalangel wrote:

-20 minutes of our hero and the pirates slingshotting back and forth, firing constantly, but no shots connecting

The physics was done with the best of intentions however it was crap for combat. But he has acknowledged this.

Ideally I'd like to see some kind of physics model retained, perhaps so you can go into orbit around planets etc. The possibilities these days are so much greater than on just one DD floppy disc. I do get what he was trying to do in Frontier, but it didn't make for a great gameplay.

Of course you could just lock the autopilot onto the enemy craft and then let it sort it out for you (being careful not to let it smash you into the enemy).

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

NervousPete wrote:

I am cautiously looking forward to nu-Elite, but have elected not to hold my breath waiting for it, as it's Braben we're talking about here. I bet he's going to take his sweet fucking time.

Launch is over a year away and he's not starting from scratch. It will probably be a bit late but not much. I reckon late Spring 2014.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

NervousPete wrote:

I am cautiously looking forward to nu-Elite, but have elected not to hold my breath waiting for it, as it's Braben we're talking about here. I bet he's going to take his sweet fucking time.

Well he's got 1.25 million quid and no legal obligation to deliver anything.

Maybe he'll just retire and smoke cigars made of pledges.

Dimrill · **Posted:** Wed Jan 02, 2013 22:41

Damn that 20 year old game for not having fantastic AI! Damn it! DAMN IT ALL TO HELL! One floppy disc rich galaxy?! DAMN IT!

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

AtrocityExhibition wrote:

Maybe he'll just retire and smoke cigars made of pledges.

If he doesn't deliver he'd be finished. The campaign is so high profile that he'd be less employable than a Jimmy Savile impersonator.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

chinnyhill10 wrote:

AtrocityExhibition wrote:

Maybe he'll just retire and smoke cigars made of pledges.

If he doesn't deliver he'd be finished. The campaign is so high profile that he'd be less employable than a Jimmy Savile impersonator.

Who needs to be employable when you're 49 years old with 1.25 million quid in the bank?

(Plus whatever he already had, of course.)

GazChap · **Posted:** Wed Jan 02, 2013 23:13

AtrocityExhibition wrote:

Well he's got 1.25 million quid and no legal obligation to deliver anything.

Pretty sure Kickstarter creators are legally obliged to deliver on their promises, or offer refunds.

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

GazChap wrote:

AtrocityExhibition wrote:

Well he's got 1.25 million quid and no legal obligation to deliver anything.

Pretty sure Kickstarter creators are legally obliged to deliver on their promises, or offer refunds.

Technically you're correct, realistically however:

Quote:

While Kickstarter strongly encourages developers to be open and clear about the issues they’re facing, and how they money is being spent even when it’s going wrong, they also mandate that refunds should be given. But it’s crucial to realise that Kickstarter has no way of enforcing this – once the money’s been handed over, that’s the end of their involvement beyond hosting the page. Should people wish to get their money back, it wouldn’t be by going through them. On the day that happens on a high-profile, big budget project, it’s going to get ugly. In the meantime, hopefully this is a reminder to those pledging that they’re doing exactly that – they’re not buying. And ideally, perhaps, people will acknowledge that pledging to a Kickstarter project is closer to philanthropy than pre-ordering.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/10 ... ters-fail/

Personally speaking I hope the new Elite sees the light of day, as I loved the original back in the day. Like others have indicated already in this thread however, I'll buy it once it actually exists.

Malc · **Posted:** Thu Jan 03, 2013 0:11

Yes, but they have entered into a contract with the backers, and you could take them to the small claims court if they didn't deliver.

Malc

Malc · **Posted:** Thu Jan 03, 2013 0:11

Frontier that is, not kickstarter.

Malc

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

But this is slightly different in that its an established dev house with a track record putting games together to a deadline. Not a loose collective of hairy programmers who get bored and bugger off so the project never gets completed.

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

AtrocityExhibition wrote:

chinnyhill10 wrote:

AtrocityExhibition wrote:

Maybe he'll just retire and smoke cigars made of pledges.

If he doesn't deliver he'd be finished. The campaign is so high profile that he'd be less employable than a Jimmy Savile impersonator.

Who needs to be employable when you're 49 years old with 1.25 million quid in the bank?

(Plus whatever he already had, of course.)

Please don't be dim. The money is going to his company and not him directly. That is not the same thing at all. Now yes the company could go under or cease trading but it's not terribly easy or indeed legal to just run off with 1.25 million quid just like that. Unless you were planning on spending the next 40 odd years living in Northern Cyprus.

Nemmie · **Joined:** 13th Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 1643

I think it will just take a very long time. I would say Summer 2015.

Looking forward to it.

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:57

chinnyhill10 wrote:

But this is slightly different in that its an established dev house with a track record putting games together to a deadline.

Don't forget the 25% corporation tax relief they can claim, too.

Alarm · **Posted:** Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:04

How much do Kickstarter get out of their involvement?

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22270

Malc wrote:

Yes, but they have entered into a contract with the backers, and you could take them to the small claims court if they didn't deliver.

Malc

Over £20?

Malc · **Posted:** Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:20

Up to £5,000

Quote:

Financial value of the case

If the value of a case is £5,000 or less, it will generally be allocated to the small claims track. However, if it is a personal injury claim, it will be allocated to the small claims track only if the value of the claim for the personal injuries themselves is not more than £1,000. If the claimant is a tenant, and is claiming against their landlord because they want their landlord to carry out repairs or other work to the premises and the cost of the repairs or work is £1,000 or less, the case will be allocated to the small claims track.

In some cases, even if the value of the case is more than £5,000 and both parties agree, the court could allocate the case to the small claims track. If this happens the usual rule about costs does not apply and if the claimant loses the case, they may have to pay the defendant’s solicitor’s costs. However, if the claimant wins the case, the defendant could be ordered to pay the claimant's costs.

Malc

Cras · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 49232

Malc wrote:

Yes, but they have entered into a contract with the backers, and you could take them to the small claims court if they didn't deliver.

Malc

I'm fairly sure they explicitly haven't entered into a contract, not one that guarantees delivery, at least.

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22270

Malc wrote:

Up to £5,000

Quote:

Financial value of the case

If the value of a case is £5,000 or less, it will generally be allocated to the small claims track. However, if it is a personal injury claim, it will be allocated to the small claims track only if the value of the claim for the personal injuries themselves is not more than £1,000. If the claimant is a tenant, and is claiming against their landlord because they want their landlord to carry out repairs or other work to the premises and the cost of the repairs or work is £1,000 or less, the case will be allocated to the small claims track.

In some cases, even if the value of the case is more than £5,000 and both parties agree, the court could allocate the case to the small claims track. If this happens the usual rule about costs does not apply and if the claimant loses the case, they may have to pay the defendant’s solicitor’s costs. However, if the claimant wins the case, the defendant could be ordered to pay the claimant's costs.

Malc

My point was more, would you bother over £20.

itsallwater · **Posted:** Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:07

Happy New Year! Yeay Elite!

Shit it's the 3rd today!

Yeay Elite!

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

Trooper wrote:

Malc wrote:

Up to £5,000

Quote:

Financial value of the case

If the value of a case is £5,000 or less, it will generally be allocated to the small claims track. However, if it is a personal injury claim, it will be allocated to the small claims track only if the value of the claim for the personal injuries themselves is not more than £1,000. If the claimant is a tenant, and is claiming against their landlord because they want their landlord to carry out repairs or other work to the premises and the cost of the repairs or work is £1,000 or less, the case will be allocated to the small claims track.

In some cases, even if the value of the case is more than £5,000 and both parties agree, the court could allocate the case to the small claims track. If this happens the usual rule about costs does not apply and if the claimant loses the case, they may have to pay the defendant’s solicitor’s costs. However, if the claimant wins the case, the defendant could be ordered to pay the claimant's costs.

Malc

My point was more, would you bother over £20.

Particularly as you have to pay £80 in court fees that you won't get back.

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

Mr Christmassyfur wrote:

Particularly as you have to pay £80 in court fees that you won't get back.

You do if you win.

Oh I have stories from my time in the BEEX wilderness. Many stories........

Derek The Halls · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 3742

Tell us a story mr chinny! Please do!

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

First chance to say this but FFFFFUUUUUCCCCKKKK YEAH.

Even if my mac port hope is fucked.

*looks at user name*

...

*cries a little*

MaliA · **Posted:** Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:52

DerekFME wrote:

Tell us a story mr chinny! Please do!

YEs, pelase, Mr chinny!

Zio · **Joined:** 31st Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 6093

Dr Lave wrote:

First chance to say this but FFFFFUUUUUCCCCKKKK YEAH.

Even if my mac port hope is fucked.

*looks at user name*

...

*cries a little*

I know, right?

It still hasn't quite sunk in with me yet that we're finally getting a new Elite game! Elite IV is actually happening!

Slightly Green · **Joined:** 26th Aug, 2010 **Posts:** 2069

Alarm wrote:

How much do Kickstarter get out of their involvement?

A signed copy of the finished game

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

MaliA wrote:

DerekFME wrote:

Tell us a story mr chinny! Please do!

YEs, pelase, Mr chinny!

Bad man subcontracted some work to me. Bad man was paid but kept on giving excuses why he couldn't pay me.

Took him to Small Claims. Had to have an arbitration hearing where the judge basically pointed out he had no chance of contesting and after the most painful 45 minutes of him trying to get out of it agreed to pay nearly everything.

Didn't pay (surprise surprise), so got hearing. He didn't bother turning up that time so I got my judgement.

Bailiffs were sent but couldn't enter as he bases himself at home and he refused to accept the paperwork.

He now thinks I've forgotten about it but I haven't and am probably going to have him wound up.

That's the short version.

Grim... · **Posted:** Thu Jan 03, 2013 15:52

Alarm wrote:

How much do Kickstarter get out of their involvement?

http://www.kickstarter.com/help/uk_fees

Kickstarter take 5%, the payment people take 3% (+ 20p per transaction, or 5p if it's over £10).

Trooper · **Joined:** 4th Mar, 2010 **Posts:** 22270

Apparently Braben is going to be on Reddit AMA in 20 minutes doing a Q&A on Elite: Dangerous.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/

Dimrill · **Posted:** Thu Jan 03, 2013 17:42

Quite nice that it passed its funding goal on Braben's 49th borthday.

Dr Lave · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 5979

Zio wrote:

I know, right?

It still hasn't quite sunk in with me yet that we're finally getting a new Elite game! Elite IV is actually happening!

I KNOW!

My heart had hardened into a little ball of coal over the idea of a sequel after all these false starts. This is awesome news.

Getting close to the mac port goal too. Tempted to up my bid to £40 (to get my name in the game) as I'm blinded by excitement!

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

Top tip: The name "Lave" is probably in the game already. :-)

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

Remember what happened to Star Wars when George Lucas got total creative freedom to do whatever the fuck he wanted.

asfish · **Joined:** 5th Dec, 2010 **Posts:** 3353

Grim... wrote:

Alarm wrote:

How much do Kickstarter get out of their involvement?

http://www.kickstarter.com/help/uk_fees

Kickstarter take 5%, the payment people take 3% (+ 20p per transaction, or 5p if it's over £10).

Yet if they project goes wrong and you end up with nothing they say "And ideally, perhaps, people will acknowledge that pledging to a Kickstarter project is closer to philanthropy than pre-ordering."

Not a problem when you get your 5% cut upfront.

TheVision · **Posted:** Thu Jan 03, 2013 19:25

AtrocityExhibition wrote:

Remember what happened to Star Wars when George Lucas got total creative freedom to do whatever the fuck he wanted.

He sold it?

Hearthly · **Joined:** 11th May, 2008 **Posts:** 13382

TheVision wrote:

AtrocityExhibition wrote:

Remember what happened to Star Wars when George Lucas got total creative freedom to do whatever the fuck he wanted.

He sold it?

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metalangel · **Posted:** Thu Jan 03, 2013 20:06

Come on, Mac version.

MrChris · **Joined:** 1st Apr, 2008 **Posts:** 30498

AE, he had total creative freedom from Episode IV, for goodness sake. What happened was that he went mentals from eating too much money. And he got a Palitoy Yoda stuck up his nose too far, and it was pressing on the crazy bit of his brain.

chinnyhill10 · **Joined:** 30th Mar, 2008 **Posts:** 15695

metalangel wrote:

Come on, Mac version.

Projection says it will make it:

http://www.elite-stats.co.uk/projects/elitedangerous/

By the time its released on the Mac all the bugs will be fixed as well. :DD

Malc · **Posted:** Thu Jan 03, 2013 23:08

Looks like today will easily get more than yesterday, and I would imagine the last day will get even more (maybe even more than today and yesterday combined!)

So I can see the 10 bonus ships target being met too. (especially if they have some paypal money coming in - there's no running total for that afaik)

Malc

ltia · **Posted:** Thu Jan 03, 2013 23:19

How awesome? Very. I might have said this before in this thread, but I played the Speccy version right the way to Elite and then some. I was worried for a bit that it wasn't going to make it. Good job it's going to take a year+ so I can spend some time doing things like 'family' and 'work' before plugging myself into the matrix.

I reckon it'll either be
a) Like Frontier: clever, interesting, aims high but somehow doesn't play right.

b) Like Elite: except like Elite was in our imaginations. I accept this is 'a bit of tough one'.

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