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Author:  Bamba [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:55 ]
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Lonewolves wrote:
Or do you mean adding 100 calories per day per week. :S

So 1800 per day one week, 1900 the next etc


Yeah, sorry, that's what I meant.

Author:  myp [ Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:56 ]
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:metul:

Author:  Bamba [ Mon Mar 13, 2017 13:03 ]
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So I'm a week into this cut (started on Tuesday last week) and so far it's been a bit of a shitshow. I haven't particularly struggled to actually stick to the plan because I don't so much mind being hungry, but my body is not enjoying the process in the slightest. My energy levels went to hell almost instantly and although I feel pretty okay right at this moment, and was only periodically dying last week, the weekend was properly fucking miserable. I never made it to the gym at all due to being so shattered and couldn't really face much aside from a couple of trips to the cinema and some very light cycling around to keep my hand in. Indeed it was so bad that I felt exactly the same as when my Chronic Fatigue Syndrome was at it's worst (begging the question of whether my CFS issues were actually diet related in the first place or if it just means my body is incredibly sensitive to calorie drops because of the CFS; though that's a separate conversation).

I'll see it through to the end of the week to see what I can lose in that time, and I'll be talking to my PT about it when I see him on Wednesday, but unless something massively changes I won't be keeping it up beyond Thursday because I can't live like that. I mean I'm down in London at the weekend for a massive piss-up so all this would've been temporarily going out the window at that point anyway but that's neither here nor there. I suppose I can just start gradually raising my intake again until all this goes away and then hold at that level but it's disappointing because with the willpower I've been demonstrating at sticking to the plan I think this could've actually worked very well if only my body wasn't such a wanker.

Author:  KovacsC [ Mon Mar 13, 2017 13:36 ]
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Hope you feel better dude..

I have not dropped any weight in a while, but my clothes are getting looser.

Author:  Jem [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 10:53 ]
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Jem wrote:
I am currently 175lbs. I have a rough goal weight of 150lbs in mind, but the key is to get back into a size 12 without feeling like I'm going to die from blood/oxygen restriction. I want to achieve this by my anniversary.

Posting here for accountability.

I bought a sparkly dress in a size 12 for a Christmas party. It barely zipped up over my arse, which obviously I blamed on dodgy sizing before I realised I'd put on a chunk of weight. :S I kept it for motivation (and because I suck at remembering to send things back); tried it on this morning ahead of a party this weekend and it only bloody zips up :D

Still can't wear it mind you - boobs falling out all over the place :facepalm:

Jem wrote:
My main source of calories up until recently has been alcohol but I've been cutting down slowly since new year. I'm hoping that by actually using MFP I'll realise how much I drink without realising it :S

I made the decision to stop drinking for good a couple of weeks ago, after drinking £200 worth of wine in 1.5 weeks "because of the stress" and realising I was on the verge of falling down a very slippery slope. With alcoholism on both sides of my family it's not a risk I want to take.

These two things might be related (damn alcohol calories :roll:)

Author:  Bamba [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:42 ]
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As part of my alleged cut I'm trying to break the habit of going to the pub at least once every weekend. I managed one weekend off before a planned trip to London and some unseasonally lovely weather in Glasgow fucked the last two weekends for me. I'm not too worried about my drinking per se, but I realise it's expensive and the calorie intake from it will be screwing up my attempt to sort my weight out so I'm determined to keep at it. This weekend I have nothing pub-based planned and am at my folks house for dinner on Saturday so that should sort me out there.

Author:  Kern [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:45 ]
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That's great news Jem, and keep it up Bamba.

I'm also trying to cut down my drinking so am trying to stick to a rule of not having beer in the house. If I want a drink, I have to go out to a pub, and this is reducing my intake Of course, my hands need to hold something when watching telly so I'm now usually clutching a pint of water or coke zero. Only just started doing this so no great changes just yet.

Author:  Jem [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:47 ]
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Thanks Kern :)

The not having booze in the house thing was what I was doing at the start of the year and it was working well at the time :)

Author:  GazChap [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:54 ]
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Kern wrote:
my hands need to hold something when watching telly

This is why I spend most of my time at home in a sleeping bag.

Author:  Bamba [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:59 ]
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I'm the other way round from you guys in that I never have booze in the house and always go to pubs to drink. I really like taking my tablet to a pub and just sitting reading comics and whatnot while getting slowly sozzled. That's probably very weird of me, but it's nice to be sort of out-and-about and in places with an atmosphere while still just chilling out on my own. It means the temptation to go to the pub of a weekend is always there though even if I don't have any plans to meet friends or whatever and that's dangerous for losing weight. Not least because one symptom of doing that is the general desire to buy loads of crap food on the way back to my flat which doubles down on the damage.

Author:  Kern [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:01 ]
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Nothing weird in that. Sitting reading in a pub is one of life's joys.

Author:  Jem [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 12:17 ]
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Bamba wrote:
I'm the other way round from you guys in that I never have booze in the house and always go to pubs to drink. I really like taking my tablet to a pub and just sitting reading comics and whatnot while getting slowly sozzled. That's probably very weird of me, but it's nice to be sort of out-and-about and in places with an atmosphere while still just chilling out on my own. It means the temptation to go to the pub of a weekend is always there though even if I don't have any plans to meet friends or whatever and that's dangerous for losing weight. Not least because one symptom of doing that is the general desire to buy loads of crap food on the way back to my flat which doubles down on the damage.


I also love going to the pub (albeit to socialise) which is part of the problem. :DD

Author:  KovacsC [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 17:26 ]
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Can't beat a pub. :)

Well done Jem and Bamba.

I am putting weight on bit not getting bigger, which i find odd.

Author:  JBR [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 22:30 ]
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Todger muscle, right? Happens in your forties.

Author:  KovacsC [ Thu Mar 30, 2017 22:32 ]
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I will go with that...

Author:  Jem [ Tue Apr 18, 2017 16:42 ]
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Jem wrote:
Decided to start actually using MFP, and I'm going to start doing my home workouts again. I am currently 175lbs. I have a rough goal weight of 150lbs in mind, but the key is to get back into a size 12 without feeling like I'm going to die from blood/oxygen restriction. I want to achieve this by my anniversary.


Managed to squeeze my butt into some size 12 jeans this morning with only minimal muffin top. :DD 1 month to go until our anniversary :)

Author:  KovacsC [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 13:40 ]
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My new tri suit.

Author:  myp [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 13:47 ]
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Is that because it has to stand out so you know where to find it when you have to put it on?

Author:  markg [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 14:00 ]
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I might be mistaken but I don't think you start a triathlon stark bollock naked.

Author:  Mr Dave [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 15:44 ]
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Do you start it standing on the wall?

Author:  KovacsC [ Fri Apr 21, 2017 18:08 ]
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markg wrote:
I might be mistaken but I don't think you start a triathlon stark bollock naked.


Technically yes. When I wake up.

But no nakedness at a race.

Author:  KovacsC [ Sat May 13, 2017 18:43 ]
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My first sportive done. Think it broke me.

Author:  MaliA [ Sat May 13, 2017 20:55 ]
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Well done.

Author:  JBR [ Sat May 13, 2017 22:31 ]
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Nice work!

Author:  Dr Zoidberg [ Sun May 14, 2017 7:08 ]
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Nice distance.

Author:  TheVision [ Sun May 14, 2017 10:02 ]
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Good length.

Author:  KovacsC [ Fri May 19, 2017 12:35 ]
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If I agree to do one of these triathlons again... slap me..

I am doing 12 hours of training a week... I feel broken!!

Author:  KovacsC [ Wed May 24, 2017 7:22 ]
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First time this year under 16 stone

Fat down. Muscle up a bit

Author:  Grim... [ Wed May 24, 2017 7:53 ]
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How do you work it out?

Author:  DavPaz [ Wed May 24, 2017 8:46 ]
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12kg of bone? Thought it'd be more.

Author:  KovacsC [ Wed May 24, 2017 10:33 ]
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Grim... wrote:
How do you work it out?


The weight is KG. The rest are %. The scales I use have metal plates on that send a current round the body. Fat, muscle and bone are differing density.

I doubt it is very accurate, but it seem constant.

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 24, 2017 11:21 ]
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Pretty sure current based density measures are junk science

Author:  KovacsC [ Wed May 24, 2017 11:28 ]
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Don't piss on my chips..... *sobs*

Author:  Trousers [ Wed May 24, 2017 11:32 ]
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Cras wrote:
Pretty sure current based density measures are junk science


They can scan for Thetans though.

Author:  devilman [ Wed May 24, 2017 11:32 ]
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KovacsC wrote:
Don't piss on my chips..... *sobs*


But it would help keep you off the chips.

Author:  Zardoz [ Wed May 24, 2017 11:46 ]
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Not sure how much I weigh, but I'm feeling much better and steadily upping my weights / resistance / reps at the gym.

Been eating very well... but still succumb to biscuit barrel raids after my tea though.

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 24, 2017 12:00 ]
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KovacsC wrote:
Don't piss on my chips..... *sobs*


Think about it logically - sure, it's measuring resistance to current as it passes through your body, which we know is altered by passing through different tissues. But why would it take any route other than up one leg and down the other? Even if it did, how would the scales be able to differentiate based on what route it took? If it's going up one leg and down the other, how would it measure any part of your body other than your legs?

Author:  Zardoz [ Wed May 24, 2017 12:13 ]
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You'd need to plug it in 'spit-roast' style really, Kov.

Author:  Mr Russell [ Wed May 24, 2017 12:20 ]
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I don't like the sound of passing electrical current through my body to measure density. My heart runs on electrickery.

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 24, 2017 12:23 ]
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Mine runs on pork fat.

Author:  KovacsC [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:00 ]
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Cras wrote:
KovacsC wrote:
Don't piss on my chips..... *sobs*


Think about it logically - sure, it's measuring resistance to current as it passes through your body, which we know is altered by passing through different tissues. But why would it take any route other than up one leg and down the other? Even if it did, how would the scales be able to differentiate based on what route it took? If it's going up one leg and down the other, how would it measure any part of your body other than your legs?


What is it with you and Physics.. Is this another grenade?

Author:  KovacsC [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:01 ]
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This may help...

Most of these types of scales use bioelectrical impedance. That is to say, they send a safe and very low electrical current through the lower half of the body. Since the electrical current flows more quickly through water and muscle than bone or fat, the scale measures the speed of the current.

Author:  Malc [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:06 ]
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KovacsC wrote:
Grim... wrote:
How do you work it out?


The weight is KG. The rest are %. The scales I use have metal plates on that send a current round the body. Fat, muscle and bone are differing density.

I doubt it is very accurate, but it seem constant.

The % don't add up to 100?

Author:  KovacsC [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:10 ]
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The never do... I don't make the rules... :)

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:11 ]
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KovacsC wrote:
This may help...

Most of these types of scales use bioelectrical impedance. That is to say, they send a safe and very low electrical current through the lower half of the body. Since the electrical current flows more quickly through water and muscle than bone or fat, the scale measures the speed of the current.


Yes. Two main problems with that.

1) Path of least resistance. Got a big fat butt? The current will just take a path that doesn't pass through your big fat butt.
2) By their own definition, they're only measuring your legs. The body does not evenly distribute fat/water all over the place, so it's meaningless to pretend that the legs are an acceptable model for the whole body. This is, for obvious reasons, an exaggerated problem for women.

Not to take away anything from what you've done, man - your weight loss and getting in shape are well impressive! Your scales are bunk though ;)

Author:  KovacsC [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:13 ]
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ok... i will google that too...


When reading your data, keep in mind our bodies are made up of 50% – 65% water. It’s important to note that all tissue, including bone, contains water. Muscle contains more water than fat does. Muscle contains up to 75% water, bone can contain up to 22% water, and fat tissue contains up to a mere 10% of water. Men have more body water than women, which in part is because they carry more skeletal muscle and less essential fat.

These water percentages are important to note when speaking about body fat scales. Because both fat and muscle contain water, part of their total weight includes water weight. This will cause the overall total to be higher than 100%.

For instance, the following stats come from a 172.8-pound man:

Fat: 20.6 percent

Water: 60.5 percent

Muscle: 46.8 percent

Total percentage: 127.9

The total equals 127.9 because body water is found in both the muscle and fat, which increases the total percentage. His water percentage is pretty much on target and his body fat and muscle mass are both within the healthy range.

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:14 ]
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That addresses neither of the issues.

Author:  KovacsC [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:15 ]
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It says why it does not add to 100%.. and your body acts as a complete circuit. This measures more than your legs.

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:16 ]
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KovacsC wrote:
your body acts as a complete circuit. This measures more than your legs.


It doesn't though. That's completely made up. Their own comment that you posted upthread says the current is only passed through the lower half of the body.

Author:  Cras [ Wed May 24, 2017 13:20 ]
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Here's a decent link covering the issues:

Quote:
“BIA* had the biggest spread of all the methods, even bigger than BMI,” explains Weightology founder James Krieger. “The error rate got as high as 8%, and that’s for detecting a change over time. So one could lose 4% body fat, yet BIA might show an increase in body fat of 4%.”


https://muscleevo.net/body-fat-scales/

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