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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 20:51 
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Can I pay £25 and get a license, but not install? I expect I'll get it at some point but I don't want it right now, however I doubt it'll ever be any cheaper.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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Your 25 gets you a product key to upgrade from XP sp3, vista or 7 to 8 pro. The upgrade assistant you buy it via can upgrade now/later, create an ISO, a bootable usb stick, or a combination. Its pretty slick really.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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Ta, i'll probably get a key to use for later then :)


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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'A disaster for anyone who properly uses a desktop PC'.

Custom PC don't like it very much, at all.

Also takes a performance hit compared to Windows 7 as well apparently, slower at everything from gaming to disc I/O - although that may improve as drivers mature.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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'A disaster for anyone who properly uses a desktop PC'.


I am sorry but WTF does that actually mean?

If I use office am I not using a pc properly?
if i play a game am I not using a pc properly?
Surfing the net etc etc?



What a foolish statement.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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I "properly use" a desktop machine.
I ise Windows 8, and I would hardly describe it a disaster.

The only problems I've had are the steam preinstallers. (i.e. directX, xna, gfwl installers) not installing. Aside from that it's generally a whole lot more snappier.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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'A disaster for anyone who properly uses a desktop PC'.

I am sorry but WTF does that actually mean?

People that use it for more that surfing the web, looking at pictures and sending emails, I'd imagine.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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It just seems a silly statement.

Most of us here use a PC for work, would Windows 8 stops us using the PC properly?

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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It just seems a silly statement.

Most of us here use a PC for work, would Windows 8 stops us using the PC properly?

Yes, until you fiddled with it, according to that review.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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Silly Microsoft for designing an OS to stop you using a PC... The sods!

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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Silly Microsoft for designing an OS to stop you using a PC... The sods!

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That does strike me as quite silly.

What am I missing here?

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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I am thinking that there are no real issues, and the 'using the pc properly' is a non-statement. As the conclusion did not say what the real problems were...

I am seeing a lot of the issues are, we don't like the interface etc etc

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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Another review from Tech spot... seem rather un-biased.

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Windows vs. Windows
If I were to use the iPad as a benchmark, I would say the Windows 8 makes a compelling case to become a huge iOS competitor, even though I haven't tested the OS with a tablet. However, some big questions remain unanswered: Will it be fast and run efficiently on tablet hardware? Will Surface tablets sell? Will hardware companies invest heavily to make awesome devices? Will software developers flock to the platform? Will tablets and PCs first coexist and finally merge as one the way Microsoft has prepared for it to happen? I guess we'll know most of the answers in less than a year.

In the meantime, if we are looking at the desktop, I believe Windows 8 remains a nice upgrade, possibly a Service Pack-plus caliber upgrade when you look at the desktop improvements. Metro doesn't make Windows 8 more capable, but it does pave a way for Microsoft to sell slates and appeal to a mainstream user base that craves simpler devices (think of every single netbook, tablet or smartphone user today).

Windows 8 doesn't mess with the essential aspects that made Windows 7 successful, and I believe that is key. The OS performs as well or better than 7 on the same hardware, the overall look and feel of Windows 8 has been further refined, built-in applications don't hinder the experience and system security builds upon its predecessor, so there are no unpleasant surprises like UAC or other problematic, unproven security measures.

There will be four Windows 8 versions:

Windows 8 – The main distribution for consumers, covers all features discussed in this article.
Windows 8 Pro – Adds advanced features that usually power users appreciate including Remote Desktop server, BitLocker, Encrypting File System, Hyper-V, and Virtual Hard Disk Booting. Also there will be a Windows Media Center free add-on on offer. Replaces Windows 7 Professional and Ultimate.
Windows RT - Also known as Windows on ARM. This edition won't be sold separately but only come pre-installed in ARM-based tablets and will only run Metro apps.
Windows 8 Enterprise – Same as Windows 8 Pro. Distributed through other channels.
Windows 8 will launch Friday, October 26, and through January 2013, Microsoft will offer a promotional rate of $40 to upgrade any previous Windows version to Windows 8 Pro -- a big first for the company. The standard rate for the retail DVD and downloadable upgrades is $70, while OEM full retail copy will be $100 for Windows 8 and $140 for Windows 8 Pro.

Microsoft assumingly knew they were too late to the tablet game to come up with a dedicated tablet operating system, so "Windows everywhere" is possibly a strategy that had no second best. It's the bet the company had to make to remain relevant, leveraging their PC muscle to gain traction in other growing markets. Windows 8 is a risky sales proposition but a fine operating system at the same time.

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Pros: Solid and stable OS. Performance on-par or better than Windows 7. The traditional desktop receives a healthy dose of enhancements. Metro is visually appealing and should work really well on touchscreens. Upgrade price is attractive and extends all the way back to XP licenses.

Cons: Metro and the desktop have been forced to co-exist and it shows. UI changes can add to confusion. No Start button makes no sense. OS has yet to prove itself on the tablet market with further hardware and software support.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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So is there a single compelling reason, apart from new and shiny, why anyone using a desktop would want Windows 8 over Windows 7?


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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So is there a single compelling reason, apart from new and shiny, why anyone using a desktop would want Windows 8 over Windows 7?

Not currently, at any rate.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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new shiny.. Probably better if you have more than 1 device as you can log in with your 'passport' So phone, tablet and pc can sync I belive..

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:26 
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I am thinking that there are no real issues, and the 'using the pc properly' is a non-statement. As the conclusion did not say what the real problems were...

I am seeing a lot of the issues are, we don't like the interface etc etc


The full review goes into plenty of detail about why Windows 8 is, overall, a bit of a pain in the arse to use and a step backwards from Windows 7. Their main criticism is the splicing together of a tablet-style OS and a traditional desktop OS, and forcing desktop PC users to interact with the tablet-style OS to perform some tasks, whether they like it or not.

The single positive point they found is slightly quicker boot times.

Personally speaking I think Windows 7 Ultimate is the single best computer operating system I've ever known, I'm going to ignore Windows 8 completely, same as I did Vista.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:29 
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http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2012/ ... t-dx11-1/1 !


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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So is there a single compelling reason, apart from new and shiny, why anyone using a desktop would want Windows 8 over Windows 7?

Not currently, at any rate.

Yeah, I don't know what to do, what with the cheap upgrade offer and the fact that I do quite like new and shiny. I suspect that for the life of this PC I'm probably better off just sticking with 7. I've not had a single issue since I installed it.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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I am getting the mash of tablet/desktop might not be perfect to peoples liking.

it was the statement about using the pc properly, in fact the one you quoted. It is a non-statement and makes no sense.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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Unless they mean "not like a tablet".

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2012/11/12/microsoft-dx11-1/1 !


Total non-issue by all accounts, adds a couple of trivial features that are unlikely to be widely used, and even if they are, there's absolutely no way anyone's going to code something for DX11.1 exclusively.

Nearly all games still feature a DX9 mode, so it's not even like DX10 has taken over yet, let alone DX11.

Remember it's just 11.1 in Win8, it's not even considered a full release.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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I am getting the mash of tablet/desktop might not be perfect to peoples liking.

it was the statement about using the pc properly, in fact the one you quoted. It is a non-statement and makes no sense.


Well I suppose you'd have to read it in the context of it being aimed at their readership, in which case it does make sense.

This is a magazine that devotes twenty pages of coverage to a round-up of a dozen slightly different motherboards.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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I've just ordered new laptops for my mum and niece for Christmas and they both come with Win8 pre-installed so I'm dreading the support calls and confusion that fucking Metro will undoubtedly bring with it.

Of course that's assuming that the orders ever go through properly given that HPs website is literally the worst website I've used in years and is a fucking embarrassment from a tech company that size. Not only did they never actually send out an order receipt email but if you click the 'Track my order' link the website falls over. No, if you actually want to know anything about your order you have to click on the Customer Services->Order tracking and then find the 'check your order status online' link randomly buried half way down a page filled with shitloads of needless content. Way to fucking go HP web-designers!


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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I've just ordered new laptops for my mum and niece for Christmas and they both come with Win8 pre-installed so I'm dreading the support calls and confusion that fucking Metro will undoubtedly bring with it.

I'd assume that Metro was a better OS for non-savvy people.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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Jesus, I hope you're my secret santa. Thats a lot of cash to be spending on presents. :luv:


They're mini 11" laptops I got a good deal on so they were 'only' £240 each. It's mostly because my niece has only just reached the age where this sort of thing has become worth her having and I want to retain my cool tech-savy uncle image. Plus the battery on my mum's netbook now literally won't last more than five minutes (and it's shit) so fuck it, she gets an upgrade as well. Initially the niece was going to get a Nexus 7 because that seemed like a cooler present but the spectre of Flash websites loomed large so that wasn't practical annoyingly.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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I thought an OS was to launch other programs from.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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They'll call saying the touch screen isn't working.

This is a valid point - it's designed to be all touchy-touchy. I can see myself wanting a touch-screen monitor without minutes.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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Bamba wrote:
I've just ordered new laptops for my mum and niece for Christmas and they both come with Win8 pre-installed so I'm dreading the support calls and confusion that fucking Metro will undoubtedly bring with it.

I'd assume that Metro was a better OS for non-savvy people.


If they were completely new to PCs maybe, but not when they're both already quite happy with the desktop and Start Menu (and I maintain that for non-touch screen devices it's still a shit design regardless). My mum's been using XP exclusively for years so even the newer style Start Menu on Win7 might've been a bit of a stumbling block. I'll need to spend some time with them when they arrive getting used to Win8 myself now just so I can be aware of any UI funnies e.g. not being able to work out how to shut the fucking things down which even I had to fucking Google for when testing Win8 out on my own desktop machine. I know, I know, it's hardly a big deal but Win7 would've just been easier on all of us.


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I thought an OS was to launch other programs from.

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

Apparently not.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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I thought an OS was to launch other programs from.

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

Apparently not.


It's just as well you two are here to save us all from the folly of bothering to think about things. I can't speak for everyone else here but I've certainly learned my lesson.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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I don't work on the IT side of things, so "Why is an OS important, if it is only used to launch programs?" is a fair enough question.

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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I belive the start menu is still there, you just hover over teh bottom left..

I installed it and was using it fine with in mins.

The sky is not falling :)

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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I don't work on the IT side of things, so "Why is an OS important, if it is only used to launch programs?" is a fair enough question.


In the last few post alone I've talked about how the different UI might end up confusing my relatives and mentioned my own struggle to even work out how to shut the machine down. That's in addition to the shedloads of other posts talking about the relative merits, or not, of the new version of Windows in terms of real world performance, functionality and usability. If after all that you still think you somehow need a degree in Computing to understand or care then there's probably nothing else anyone can tell you. :shrug:


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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I don't work on the IT side of things, so "Why is an OS important, if it is only used to launch programs?" is a fair enough question.


yes, but it is the part of the device you use the most. Also people hate change :)

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They generally don't I find. They might moan but they only hate it when they can't see the reason for it.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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If I can do it any one can :DD

Despite your typing and grammar, you are a technically competent power user.

I expect my mum would be baffled by Metro, or whatever it's called.

Edit: I baffled your mum.


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I belive the start menu is still there, you just hover over teh bottom left..

I installed it and was using it fine with in mins.

The sky is not falling :)


You should certainly keep telling people over and over that it's actually fine because you personally are quite happy with it as that tactic is usually a winner and is definitely helping in this thread specifically.


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yes, but it is the part of the device you use the most.


Is it though. Give someone a computer with *only* an OS on it, and how long will they use it for?

(Hint not very long, as they're rather more interested in the programs you launch from it, be it a web browser or whatever)


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I belive the start menu is still there, you just hover over teh bottom left..

I installed it and was using it fine with in mins.

The sky is not falling :)


You should certainly keep telling people over and over that it's actually fine because you personally are quite happy with it as that tactic is usually a winner and is definitely helping in this thread specifically.



I am sorry, if it comes across that way.

I have worked for EDS/HP for 12 years now and this stuff comes up every time there is an OS change. I remember when we changed from Win 3.11 to Win 95 ( I think). The introduction of the start button was a horror.

I am not alone in thinking it is easy to use.

How else do you wish me to explain, that it is not going to be as bad as everyone things.

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If I can do it any one can :DD

Despite your typing and grammar, you are a technically competent power user.

I expect my mum would be baffled by Metro, or whatever it's called.

Edit: I baffled your mum.


My grammar is shocking, and my spelling is bad. I am not really a power user, not any more. I can't even use sick beard :)

I mostly use office, and visio.

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If I can do it any one can :DD

Despite your typing and grammar, you are a technically competent power user.

I expect my mum would be baffled by Metro, or whatever it's called.

Edit: I baffled your mum.


My grammar is shocking, and my spelling is bad. I am not really a power user, not any more. I can't even use sick beard :)

I mostly use office, and visio.

Then you don't use it 'properly' and are unable to join in our power user talk. :P


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I will move myself to the none power use corner. :)

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If I can do it any one can :DD

Despite your typing and grammar, you are a technically competent power user.

I expect my mum would be baffled by Metro, or whatever it's called.

Edit: I baffled your mum.


Your mum is so well baffled, that she stayed upright when I rammed her.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
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I belive the start menu is still there, you just hover over teh bottom left..

I installed it and was using it fine with in mins.

The sky is not falling :)


No one's saying the sky is falling, it's just that it's a pointless upgrade that replaces the entirely functional and quite frankly fucking brilliant Windows 7 with a kludge of two operating systems clumsily spliced into one.

I can get Windows 8 for free through work, and I'm still not interested. They literally can't give it away as far as I'm concerned.

And the point Bamba made is valid too, my in-laws for example have been using PCs since the days of Windows 95, through XP, Vista and now Windows 7 - and on every iteration it's been possible to make the overall user experience pretty consistent.

If they fired up their PC and were presented with Metro they'd be on the phone to me within about 10 seconds.


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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 13:18 
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AE have you actually used it yet?

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 Post subject: Re: Windows 8
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 13:21 
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AE have you actually used it yet?


I've had a play with it at work, it's installed on quite a few machines there and a couple of tablets.

It's fab on a tablet, but shit on the desktop IMO.

I certainly have no interest in installing it on any of the computers in my house.


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