Why haven't you bought Forza 4 yet Nosferatu?

Of course, the biggest feature of all is the freewheeling freedom offered by the Interstates, dirt tracks and winding passes of the huge, if fictionalised and condensed, map of Colorado. There'll be side missions, stunts and rewards for exploration as well as straight racing, and a GPS system controlled either by menus or Kinect voice commands will help you find your way around.

SQUEEEE!!!!!

Hmm. Sounds a bit like Need For Speed : The Runs to me.

Should you ever get lost while attempting to locate one of these races out in Horizon's open world, you can always use the game's GPS system, provided you own the requisite Kinect.

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Fuck those fucking fuckers.

Eh? The way that's worded rather states that GPS only works if you have a Kinect.

Well that's not what it says. You may as well expect it means "you can only use GPS if you strip yourself naked, coat yourself in jam, and hop up and down on one leg" if you're going to just make stuff up.

Well that's not what it says. You may as well expect it means "you can only use GPS if you strip yourself naked, coat yourself in jam, and hop up and down on one leg" if you're going to just make stuff up.

Hmm, I'm not sure what to think yet. I'm not sure that you can easily reconcile a driving sim with an open-world scenario that includes random traffic. The replayability of Forza for me comes from shaving seconds from lap times. I found that time trials in Hot Pursuit were frustrating due to the random nature of the traffic. I can see the appeal of this game but until I know what the actual game involves then I'm not sure it will be enduring.

It's looking like they're making efforts to take it in a direction that is much less 'driving sim' than it historically has been. That's great from my perspective, but I can see how it would be irritating if that's what you want from the series.

I don't even know why I'm in this thread.

Using sim-level physics rather than arcade physics is fine - great, even. But I'd like to see a game where fastest lap around a fixed course isn't the be-all and end-all.

I'm not sure that you can easily reconcile a driving sim with an open-world scenario that includes random traffic.

Wait... isn't that exactly what a driving sim should be?

But driving games pretty much always come down to going faster than other cars or faster then your previous best. Just driving around and exploring is fine but it gets a bit boring if there's nothing else to do.