NO ONE'S FORCING ANYONE TO GIVE HIM MONEY

But people only have so much money to pledge, and an old charmer like Molyneux who hasn't turned out a decent game since fucking Dungeon Keeper - (Black & White, at a push) - could dip into a finite pot of money that could be spent on better things.

The whole point of Kickstarter is that it's a democratic funding source. If people don't want what he's selling, they won't give him money.

But he's slippery!

Surely the people funding him think differently of his potential than you do.

They're being duped by a known Frenchman.

No one's making people give him money that should be going to Minecraft in Space, FFS. And plus, it's just fucking videogames.

The whole point of Kickstarter is that it's a democratic funding source. If people don't want what he's selling, they won't give him money.

I would like it more if the pledgors got some sort of investment stake.

Even if it was something along the lines of, "we'll take X% of what we make, and distribute it based on what percentage of the overal total you pledged"

With the people running the kickstarter deciding what the X is when they launch the campaign.

Malc

And I agree with Rab.

It's not "just fucking videogames", it's potentially millions of pounds being handed over for potentially empty promises. Yes, people don't HAVE to hand over their money, but that's my problem with Kickstarter generally. These guys are pitching to us and expecting us to bear a financial risk. Their product could turn out to be shite. Based on the majority of videogames it probably will be a bit shit.

It's worrying, in my opinion. Handing over money for something that doesn't exist yet. It's not like investors reap the potential rewards investors would traditionally. They just get a game at the end. A potentially shit game.

And I agree with Rab. I have warmed to the idea of Kickstarter to fund things that otherwise wouldn't happen. Provided the developers/whoever are capable of delivering. But these guys could easily secure funding elsewhere. I'm not worried about Molyneux et al stealing money from more deserving Kickstarter projects, I'm just irritated that he could easily secure the funding elsewhere. Instead it's almost like hes exploiting his fans for no reasons other than he'll receive the potentially limitless investment money directly.

No one is making them hand the money over..

But no-one is making the person that gets all the money make the item / service they promised, either.

Which is the problem! Sure, people aren't forced to hand over their cash, but people are stupid!

The world! To both questions!

The problem I have with Kickstarter is that once a project is funded, they don't have to keep financial records, report on progress or answer to any authority. For all we know, our contributions could be paying for an extension to Molyneux's mansion.

Braben, meanwhile, has been working on Elite 4 for allegedly the last trillion years and now decides to ask for money? What the fuck has he done up until now, and how, if he needs money?

So I take it nobody's going to flang pence at Dizzy then?

I have to admit, I'd be almost duty bound to throw in a couple of quid if they called it "Shit Egg Game 9."

I have to admit, I'd be almost duty bound to throw in a couple of quid if they called it "Shit Egg Game 9."

What about Dog Egg 9?

1) Sure, by asking us to fund it. WHo gets all the profits at the end of it? Oh right, a professional studio! With bank managers pissing themselves that they can get all the money and profits without having to punt up much - if anything - in the way of investment.

2) Not my problem.

Because if The Oliver Twins cannot find traditional funding, whose fault is that? Same goes with Molyneux and co. Could it be their recent output has simply... you know. Been a bit pants? Could it be that traditional investors are wary of funding people whose recent track record has hardly been a shining example?

But that's fine for Kickstarter, let's just tell people about the games they used to love and how we can rebuild them for a modern era! Let's use and exploit their nostalgic memories, their rose-tinted glasses, their personal goodwill.

Do you see how that can be construed as somewhat cynical? I think the problem is The Oliver Twins are coming to Kickstarter at a time when a fair few gamers are becoming more and more cynical, as more and more big name developers turn to Kickstarter in lieu of their traditional means of funding. People are beginning to feel exploited.

It's terrible that they may feel wrongly maligned as a result, but this is what was going to happen at some point. Eventually, people were going to start feeling that some are taking advantage of their goodwill. Are they? Well... possibly. It's all well and good to tell people it's not much money but if they're asking the question, either you've not told them why it's so pricey and need to explain or perhaps, in crazy land, they might actually have a point...

I've bought Dizzy. Even Fantastic Adventures of Dizzy. I love it. But Dizzy is of an era, a memory of my childhood. And I have learned to great cost in recent years that some memories are really best left there. I can remember him and the adventures we shared fondly, without the modern world intruding on it.

And I'd be happy to leave Dizzy there. He got a lot of work in his time. I'm looking forward to new games and new characters now. I'd feel bitterly upset if they funded this and it turned out to end up being a bit crap.

Which is the final point. What if it IS a bit crap? Can people ask for their money back?

I think we all know the answer to that one.

Off-Road Velociraptor Safari is the best game. The best.

I've changed the name of this thread because I'm sick of seeing my filthy swears on the forum every day.

Earlier this year, the folks at Goblinworks created a Kickstarter project for the tech demo version of their fantasy sandbox MMO Pathfinder Online. Not only did the team crush their initial goal of $50,000, but they went on to raise over $300,000 to create the demo. The Kickstarter bug seems to still be biting because the studio has announced another Kickstarter project for the completion of the game.

With a new goal of one meeeellion dollars, Goblinworks hopes to expand from their tech demo and utilize the new team to make the very best Pathfinder Online possible. The new design crew consists of former developers from CCP, Cryptic, Zenimax, Turbine, and more, so you can see why this is an exciting project for MMO fans.