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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:26 
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*argument about how if people are happy doing that, blahblah etc.* ;)

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No, that's very different.
Why is it not piracy?

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Not sure that's a concern, is it?

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I assume they have consent. Still odd though.

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You people baffle me. Assuming the method is above board - once again it's just people paying over the odds because they're happy to do that. Personal choice, yada yada, everything you were saying yesterday. Now it's odd?

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No - I find the fact that they are allowed to resell it odd.

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Depends how charitably-minded the vendor is, and I suppose it fills a niche for those people that want to pay for something they like while supporting a worthy cause.

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You people baffle me. Assuming the method is above board - once again it's just people paying over the odds because they're happy to do that. Personal choice, yada yada, everything you were saying yesterday. Now it's odd?


It's not odd that people are paying for it, it's odd that these guys are reselling a donation, creaming half of it off (admittedly for charity), and giving the rest to the Humble Bundle guys. If it's with their blessing, fine - but if it's not, they're effectively ripping off the Humble Bundle guys for half the money they would have been getting - and they don't have any 'personal choice' in the matter.

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What's 'odd' is the Ponies.


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http://humblebronybundle.blogspot.com/2 ... t-out.html

Seems to have the blessing of the humble indie bundle people so it's fine I guess. But still odd.


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It is a strange one, that. I imagine the developers would take some flak if they objected to it, what with charity being involved and all. Maybe that's why it has their blessing?


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I think you've misread it. The charity contribution in the Brony bundle purchase is just the charities that the Humble Bundle guys support. In other words, the 60%/30%/10% they list is how they set the sliders on the Humble Bundle page when they buy it.

I also don't think people contributed to the Brony Bundle get the games (how could they? They've only bought one licence for their donation...). I think it's just for PR/philanthropy.


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I hope these chaps do their taxes properly. Riles, get in touch!

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What's 'odd' is the Ponies.


Nah, not really. People just really like the new My Little Pony series, because it is *gasp* well put together, funny and totally not what you'd expect from a merch-driven girls cartoon show. Bronies are adult males who enjoy the show.


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How many active members do we have? Only need 251 dollars to get in humble top 10. Not a lot really.

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For $300,000 can I fuck his wife?

For £300,000 you can keep her.

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For $300,000 can I fuck his wife?

For £300,000 you can keep her.

Does that include delivery? Can she cook?

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For $300,000 can I fuck his wife?

For £300,000 you can keep her.

Does that include delivery? Can she cook?

No and yes, microwaving is a kind of cooking right?

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Total raised has now surpassed $1.6 mil. Flip.

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Wants to make an MMO. No business plan, no development experience, no developers, and you will still have to pay to play I expect. If it ever gets made. Ho. Ho. Want $1.1million. I notice they're starting to ramp up the pennies they expect up front now.

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I notice they're starting to ramp up the pennies they expect up front now.


Yip - although if you have a good idea and have the right background i still think they will make it.

For example Brian Fargo creator of Wasteland (a game which I spent so f**king long getting to work correctly on my C64) has been trying to get some backing to make a follow up for the last few years and has never gotten anywhere.

So he's started a kickstarter to get $900,000 and is about 70% of the way there right now

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Wants to make an MMO. No business plan, no development experience, no developers, and you will still have to pay to play I expect. If it ever gets made. Ho. Ho. Want $1.1million. I notice they're starting to ramp up the pennies they expect up front now.


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Pledge $10,000 or more
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Reward #1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. In game currancy of 500 thousand gold.
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Pledge $10,000 or more
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Reward #1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7,8,9,10, 11. In game currancey of 1 million gold.
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He can't spell the word "currency" consistently, let alone correctly, and he expects people to trust him with their money?

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He can't spell "choice", either. It must be noted he's a 2007 lottery winner of $27 million, so it seems he's not willing to sink any of his millions into it.

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Wants to make an MMO. No business plan, no development experience, no developers, and you will still have to pay to play I expect. If it ever gets made. Ho. Ho. Want $1.1million. I notice they're starting to ramp up the pennies they expect up front now.


Christ, he's managed to raise over $20k. Suspiciously 2 backers of $10k or more. I bet he's raised $700 and put the other two bids in himself.

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Tragic. He didn't get his goal. He did update the description of the game with Youtube videos of his face mouthing vagueness amongst him explicitly saying he hasn't got a clue what he's doing. My arse are those two 10k donations real, so overall he managed to raise $1000 out of his $1.1 million goal.

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The major drawback of this system revealed: http://www.joystiq.com/2012/10/19/kicks ... mers-quit/

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Bad news for Kickstarted turn-based haunted house project, Haunts, as the game has ceased production. According to Mob Rules Games head Rick Dakan, both of Haunts' programmers have left the project, with the lead programmer moving on to Google, and the other taking a new job as well. Neither programmer is able to work on the project in their spare time.


Oopsy doodle. Looks like people might have spluffed their money into the ether.

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This is probably the best thread for this - post from Rab about Molyneux's kickstarter

http://effingarcade.tumblr.com/

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Molyneux and Fucking Kickstarter

They will kill it.

Be in no doubt. These established industry veterans, who could achieve their goals through traditional paths, will kill Kickstarter with their greed.

“Greed” might seem harsh. But here we see Peter Molyneux, as established a figure as you can find in the games industry, asking his audience to take on all the risk associated with his new product. Here is a man who has over-promised and under-delivered for over a decade, asking people like me and you to pay up front for his latest venture.

Do you believe for even one second that Molyneux couldn’t find that financial backing elsewhere? I don’t.

Kickstarter has shown us many cases where creative people who can’t find the funding to realise their unique vision have been saved by like-minded people who want to see those projects happen. That’s a good thing. I’m not talking about those people. Small teams, great ideas, outsiders. That’s all good.

But these capitalist animals, Molyneux and Braben to name but two, are transforming Kickstarter into a shopping website for products that don’t yet exist. They package their products with ridiculous “bonuses” that the gaming audience are paying small fortunes to secure. This is the same game audience that, just a few years ago, was laughing Bethesda out of the room for charging a small amount of cash for horse armour. And we at least knew something about that game.

We are being exploited.

Molyneux and Braben have both used the same marketing trick too. Braben goes back to the space games we always wanted him to return to. Molyneux returns to the god games. They’re both saying “HEY GUYS, WE’RE GIVING YOU WHAT YOU WANTED! NOW LET’S DO THIS THING TOGETHER!” It’s a trick. Or maybe Molyneux would call it “an experiment”. What happened to good old fashioned investment, guys? You know, where we gave you some money and shared in the risk and maybe actually fucking GAINED from it somewhere down the line? What happened to THAT experiment?

What is going on is cynical, and it’s ugly. These established game designers have recognised that people have started to use Kickstarter as a thing that helps them to define who they are and what they love. When someone backs a project, it’s not entirely about the specific project. If you back a point and click adventure game, you’re telling the world that you love that genre. You’re saying that it matters to you. That makes you easy to exploit. It’s the easiest thing in the world for a cold fuck in a suit to exploit someone with heart.

It’s great to have people who like your stuff. It’s great to have support. What’s even better is you appreciating that THEY’RE the ones that YOU should be trying to pay back for that support. If people enjoy what you do and have made you in any way relevant in our culture, then YOU owe THEM something.

HEY YOU LOVE ME PAY FOR ME TO RECORD MY ALBUM!

HEY YOU LOVED ME YEARS AGO PAY FOR ME TO RE-DO MY OLD IDEAS!

HEY I’M KINDA SORTA FAMOUS PAY FOR ME TO DO SOME SHIT MAYBE I DUNNO WHATEVER!

You think I haven’t ever considered running a Kickstarter? You think I haven’t thought to myself - “Hey, I could Kickstarter this games blog, raise money to film stuff, raise money for better equipment, raise money so that I can spend more time on it all, raise money to indulge my own ego!”

But then you stop and ask yourself if you can do it on your own.

And if you can? Even if it’s a struggle? And you STILL start a Kickstarter?

Then FUCK YOU, Molyneux. And all who came before you.

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Lots of all-caps, there.

And must lol at the naivety. The purity of Kickstarter has been besmirched!

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I have to say I did sort of think that about the Braben kickstarter (I may have posted to that effect IIRC), and I definitely thought it about the Molyneux kickstarter.

Rab is right IMO.

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Rab is a dick (IMO), and this reinforces that. Silly rant.

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Curiosity wrote:
Rab is a dick (IMO), and this reinforces that. Silly rant.


Surely he's got a point though?

Braben's a borderline case perhaps, but Molyneux pillaging Kickstarter for funds to make a game is taking the piss.

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Rab is a dick (IMO), and this reinforces that. Silly rant.


Surely he's got a point though?

Braben's a borderline case perhaps, but Molyneux pillaging Kickstarter for funds to make a game is taking the piss.

People don't have to give him money, you know. It's not like he's conning his way into a charity's coffers or anything.

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AtrocityExhibition wrote:
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Rab is a dick (IMO), and this reinforces that. Silly rant.


Surely he's got a point though?

Braben's a borderline case perhaps, but Molyneux pillaging Kickstarter for funds to make a game is taking the piss.

I think most people I see on it are taking the piss.

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Meh. It's a big melodramatic flap. These two people are going to kill Kickstarter? That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard today!

Plus, a Kickstarted project is very different from a regularly backed one, in many ways. Especially in terms of the freedom you have to develop things. Contrast how you would expect EA's Mirror's Edge 2 to be against how you would expect a Kickstarter backed one to be?

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OK, my take on Kickstarter is that it's designed to make possible something that might not be commercially viable in a 'normal sense' for some reason.

A really good example is the ST:TNG Kickstarter for Pinball Arcade, where the team who launched it (and had already proven themselves with an actual game) said 'Look, we really want to make this table for Pinball Arcade, but the licensing fees for the project outweigh what we could possibly hope to make from it in the marketplace, so if you want to see it, please tip some money over to us and we can do it.'

They made their target easily, the table was funded, and they were able to go on and do another for Twilight Zone, again where the licensing costs were prohibitive compared to the relatively limited sales they could expect.

Also, these Kickstarters were FOCUSED, the money was for a specific expense and was DEFINED CLEARLY, people who chipped in knew exactly what they were paying for.

With this GODUS Kickstarter you've basically got Molyneux kicking out another of his random ideas and asking everyone to pay upfront for something that may never materialise. Presumably the guy left Microsoft a fucking millionaire, he's set up his own development house, why not develop a fucking game and THEN try to sell it?

Or at least get it to a beta stage and say the Kickstarter is to finish it off, at the minute we've just got a few talking heads waxing a load of lyrical bollocks.

To me it doesn't seem to be what Kickstarter should be about.

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NO ONE'S FORCING ANYONE TO GIVE HIM MONEY

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 Post subject: Re: What the fuck is this shit?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 22:19 
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Mr Kissyfur wrote:
People don't have to give him money, you know. It's not like he's conning his way into a charity's coffers or anything.


But people only have so much money to pledge, and an old charmer like Molyneux who hasn't turned out a decent game since fucking Dungeon Keeper - (Black & White, at a push) - could dip into a finite pot of money that could be spent on better things.

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 Post subject: Re: What the fuck is this shit?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 22:20 
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It's nothing to do with Kickstarter. Molyneux is just a cock.

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