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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:15 
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That was arguably DE's best table. Jurassic Park was really good as well.

Pretty shallow rulesets as was often the case with DE, but some of their tables were still a lot of fun to play. Lethal Weapon 3 is another one that springs to mind.

Shame they were always somewhat hamstrung by their shite sound hardware.

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At one point in my local arcade we had the DE Star Wars / Lethal Weapon 3 / Terminator 2 tables all in a row - it was great :-)

I always had a soft spot for LW3 , and liked how it tried to throw things at you (with the gun challenges so you had to take a hand off the flipper button to shoot the enemies at the right time).

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There was a passable version of LW3 in Visual Pinball about ten years ago, so chances are that's a lot better these days.

I have no idea what state Visual Pinball and VPINMAME are in though, or indeed if they're still actively updated or anything like that.

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There was a passable version of LW3 in Visual Pinball about ten years ago, so chances are that's a lot better these days.

I have no idea what state Visual Pinball and VPINMAME are in though, or indeed if they're still actively updated or anything like that.


I had a few versions but very low res and they never played that well a long time ago and to be honest since any of the farsight tables came out (even their earlier Wii / PSP stuff) i just ignored it

Looks like the last stable release was only a few weeks back so i may have a look at it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Pi ... al_PinMAME

The other big thing i remember was the issues over 'piracy' here for recent roms , so this was not MAME emulating 30 year old arcade machines but emulating brand new pinball tables that were only just rolling off the production line


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Doctor who table is out today on mobile and steam


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Yes I've given it a quick kick about this morning. Kind of as I remember it really, not a bad table but not an amazing one either.

It all looks very lovely and shiny in the DX11 version though, and I do like the Doctor Who music. Then again, who doesn't like the Doctor Who music? Anyone who doesn't like the Doctor Who music is a wrong 'un.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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They have released the stern pinball update now on IOS / Steam (pc only not mac)

Again free to play with a 'free table' to play during the month and season passes / options to buy each table

Mostly negative feedback because typical for Farscape its broken but expect things to be fixed later - i've played a few of the tables on the PS4 and my biggest criticism is that they are including older tables i've already bought and want me to buy them again

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They can fuck right off with that. Fair enough Stern are still producing real pinballs and I doff my hat to them for that, but the truth is they're built to a ruthless budget and are generally somewhat basic. (I've seen Papa Pinball guides for a lot of the Stern tables and the gulf between them and 90s Williams/Bally tables is massive.)

That's not to say I wouldn't love to have some real pinballs around here to play, and I've have no problem playing Stern tables with my own cash, but it's a big stretch from that to wanting to play them on my PC, especially when there's still such a huge number of classic tables to recreate that are, y'know, good.

I'm not happy with the split product branches either, Pinball Arcade is already starting to feel a bit neglected. Yes we got Doctor Who earlier in the year but since then it's been crappy ancient EMs and a couple of fucking Gottliebs, the most recent of which looked so massively uninspiring I haven't even loaded it up. (Despite having already paid for it via the Season Pass.)

Can't see me investing anything in Stern Pinball Arcade at all, the tables simply don't interest me (or the ones that do i.e. the older DE/Sega tables are already in TPA). And the next Season Pass for TPA won't be an auto-buy for me either, I'll wait and see how it pans out and what gets released first.

Still, none of this devalues all the awesome stuff that's already in TPA, so nothing to fret too much about. I hope Farsight don't go bust or something shit like that though, and I'm not sure SPA is going to help them much.

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So it looks like they've run out of Williams/Bally licences again as the Gottliebs are back in force and have been since Doctor Who, and now in the case of the most recent release, we have an 'Alvin G & Co' table which was a (short-lived) company started in the early 90s by the original Alvin Gottlieb but he couldn't use the Gottlieb name anymore as he'd sold it with the business. (Alvin G & Co only produced a handful of tables in total, with fairly small production runs, before ceasing trading.)

Needless to say it's not a very good pinball, I guess it is interesting from a historical perspective but you could just watch a video about it and see and hear all you need to really. In fairness it's not a bad table as such but it is painfully average IMO.

I think I'll be waiting to see how the seasons pan out in future, rather than buying them upfront and hoping it's more Bally/Williams than Fucking Gottlieb.


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Season 7 has landed and not exactly with a bang. On the plus side it is a Bally table, on the minus side it's one of those dreadfully generic style of early solid state pinballs with shit sounds, no music, lethargic gameplay and general rubbishness.

I was bored of it before the intro video had even finished, and that's less than two minutes long.

No sale, I will not be purchasing Season 7 based on this, and will wait to see how the season pans out.


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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Farsight don't do themselves any favours sometimes. I have refused to buy Season Seven because all the tables so far have been shit, but a table I want has finally turned up.

I tried to buy it. I did not succeed.

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They seem to have messed up the update - mines bombed out when trying to buy as well (iOS) - the way i found round it was demo it (so it downloads it) then play till the score break when it stops you and then the purchase button actually worked for me

Otherwise if i just try to buy it it either puts me in a page where i can buy custom ball art , or it just closes the whole app down


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You do get the impression they've spread themselves a bit thin with all the platforms they (sort of....) support, is Ouya (!!) still in there?.....

I really like World Championship Soccer it's one of my fav tables of all time so I'm a bit narked I can't buy it. Thy 'BUY SEASON' button looks like it should work (it doesn't list its value as [ERROR] at least), but for all I know this'll be the one good table in the entire season.

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They have fixed this now so the table can actually be purchased!

I went for the Pro edition as I like the little extras even though they're largely superfluous.

Table is every bit as good as I remember it being, a real joy to play. Also it seems to be one of PA's better conversions, with really crisp graphics, great lighting, and overall they seem to have given it the attention it deserves.

Lovely sound and music package on this one too.

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This probably isn't the right place for this but I had no idea that Pinball FX3 had been released. Apparently you can import all your old tables into it too. Nice.


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'Pinball' FX.

Videogame that looks like a pinball game, more like.

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A bit like an arcade game that looks like a racer I guess.

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Don't listen to Hearthly edginess. Some Pinball FX tables are actually quite fun, even if they're not as authentic as Pinball Arcade.

Tried PFX3 and the default single player mode has XP, grinding and other stupid shit that should have stayed in mobile gaming. Fortunately there's still "Classic Single Player".


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Don't listen to Hearthly edginess. Some Pinball FX tables are actually quite fun, even if they're not as authentic as Pinball Arcade.


But that's exactly what I've said about Pinball Arcade all along, that it's a fun videogame, but it's not an authentic pinball game/simulator and scarcely even pretends to be.

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But what do you think about PinballFX?

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But what do you think about PinballFX?


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But that's exactly what I've said about PinballFX all along, that it's a fun videogame, but it's not an authentic pinball game/simulator and scarcely even pretends to be.


Thinking about it, PinballFX is kind of a spiritual successor to something like Devil Crash on the Megadrive. A videogame that uses 'pinball aspects' instead of say, a spaceship, or a little flying dude, or suchlike, to control the action.

And for the record, I thought Devil Crash was fantastic and played the arse out of it.

For me though, PinballFX is redundant in a world where Pinball Arcade exists, and I'd rather just play 'other videogames' for videogame fun, instead of PinballFX.


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The only problem with PFX is that the games are overly long and grindy in most tables. The fact that it's, like you said, in the vein of games like Devil Crash makes it even more relevant since Pinball Arcade fills the "authenticity" niche.


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The only problem with PFX is that the games are overly long and grindy in most tables. The fact that it's, like you said, in the vein of games like Devil Crash makes it even more relevant since Pinball Arcade fills the "authenticity" niche.


Yes I remember having what felt like a really long game on a table in PFX2, and then seeing Trousers' high score and realising I'd need to be playing the same game for about seven years to actually get close to his score.

Pinball is of course an arcade game at heart, designed to take money and dish out a certain amount of time to the player, and whilst skillful players can do much better than novices, random bad luck will sink you sometimes, and games are sort of 'self-limiting' in how long they can go on for - something that PFX misses, but it's a videogame, not a pinball game.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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If we're going into philosophy mode (i'll c'est ne pa une pipe and so on), Pinball Arcade is also a videogame, not a pinball game.


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RuySan wrote:
If we're going into philosophy mode (i'll c'est ne pa une pipe and so on), Pinball Arcade is also a videogame, not a pinball game.


Pinball Arcade is a videogame pinball simulation.

PFX is a videogame with pinball elements.

Pinball Arcade tries to be a realistic interpretation of real pinball tables, including emulation of the electronic gubbins, whereas PFX just does crazy shit that wouldn't even be possible with a physical table.

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That's like saying that Football Manager is a videogame football simulation and FIFA is a videogame with football elements.

Or Dirt Rally is a Videogame driving simulator and Daytona is a videogame with driving elements.

Anyway, this conversation is dumb. BTW, PFX3 new tables, Jaws, Back to the Future and ET look really cool. Did anyone tried them yet?


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That's like saying that Football Manager is a videogame football simulation and FIFA is a videogame with football elements.

Or Dirt Rally is a Videogame driving simulator and Daytona is a videogame with driving elements

Yep, I alluded to this earlier in the thread. Completely agree. So dumb.

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What's dumb is that my basic point about these two games appears to be difficult to grasp and/or somehow contentious or indeed worth debating at all.

PFX is not in any way a pinball simulation and doesn't pretend to be.

Pinball Arcade is a pinball simulation. (Including emulation.)

I'm not even saying that PFX isn't entertaining, well made, or fun. But it's a very long way removed from anything remotely resembling proper pinball.

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It might not be a simulation, but it's very much a pinball videogame (not a "videogame with pinball elements"), in the same way that FIFA is a football game and Daytona is a driving game.


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I don't about your fancy 21st century pinball games, all I know is that the SNES version of Pinball Fantasies is gash


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I don't about your fancy 21st century pinball games, all I know is that the SNES version of Pinball Fantasies is gash


Yes I vaguely remember renting the cart at one point, when I had a SNES but didn't have an Amiga. (My entertainment choices would vary regularly based on what I'd sold recently to spend on gambling/drink/drugs.)

It was fucking shit. They made the music fairly awful too, which was always one of the best things about these games.

Didn't it scroll horizontally as well? So it made you feel sick too.

Offensive game.

The Amiga A1200 is the way to play this game with the extended AGA version loveliness.

Not even worth renting - 245/1000

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Didn't the PC version have a SVGA mode? I do remember playing it on my cousin's PC and marvelled on how better it looked compared to the amiga.


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Didn't it scroll horizontally as well? So it made you feel sick too.

I didn't notice at the time, but yes it does. :spew:


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Has anyone tried the new Zen Pinball 3 release on Steam.

If you have Zen Pinball 2 all your tables will be available and they have all been reworked with new lighting and various other improvements. Also several completely new tables are now available.

Although not based on real pinball tables there are some real gems in there. Particularly a few of the Star Wars tables, Some of the Marvel ones and the fantabulous Betheseda set, featuring Doom, Skyrim and Fallout based tables.

I have spent many hours on the various Android versions and can only see this expanding now I have discovered I can play them all on my PC.

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Has anyone tried the new Zen Pinball 3 release on Steam.

If you have Zen Pinball 2 all your tables will be available and they have all been reworked with new lighting and various other improvements. Also several completely new tables are now available.

Although not based on real pinball tables there are some real gems in there. Particularly a few of the Star Wars tables, Some of the Marvel ones and the fantabulous Betheseda set, featuring Doom, Skyrim and Fallout based tables.

I have spent many hours on the various Android versions and can only see this expanding now I have discovered I can play them all on my PC.


The Zen Tables work very well on Android. The other day I missed my train stop because of it.

Pinball FX3 has lots of social features and leagues which seem pretty great, but on the other hand, they've put needless grind modes and XP (because every game has to have them nowadays) that bring nothing to the game and are just annoying.


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Some of the latest Pinball Arcade updates broke the game. Now i get a black screen if i launch the game in DX11. Does anyone ever had this problem? I had to revert back into playing in DX9 which looks really crap now.


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Some of the latest Pinball Arcade updates broke the game. Now i get a black screen if i launch the game in DX11. Does anyone ever had this problem? I had to revert back into playing in DX9 which looks really crap now.


It's completely broken for all tables in DX11 mode, or just some?

The last time I fired it up was a couple of months ago when they released Ghostbusters, it worked OK then.

EDIT - Just fired it up now, I'm on 1.67.4 DX11, latest table (awful fucking shitty fucking EM fucking turdblast 'Spanish Eyes') loads fine.

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Some of the latest Pinball Arcade updates broke the game. Now i get a black screen if i launch the game in DX11. Does anyone ever had this problem? I had to revert back into playing in DX9 which looks really crap now.


It's completely broken for all tables in DX11 mode, or just some?

The last time I fired it up was a couple of months ago when they released Ghostbusters, it worked OK then.

EDIT - Just fired it up now, I'm on 1.67.4 DX11, latest table (awful fucking shitty fucking EM fucking turdblast 'Spanish Eyes') loads fine.


I can't even see the title screen. Black screen and then i have to hard reset.

The only way i can load in DX11 is if i choose a sub-native resolution in the launcher or if i force under 60hz (e.g. 59Hz) in the nvidia driver setting. But then I get no sound and borked camera and controls.

Have you tried Zaccaria Pinball? It's in early access but it already works better than TPA, although obviously it only has tables from a mostly obscure italian company and some new recreations inspired on the original designs. Even so, I'm enjoying it a lot.


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Pinball FX3 has released 2 new tables, and they are free if you claim them on Steam until 19 December. I still haven't played enough of them to make a good judgement, but they're free, so everyone should give them a go.

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and pinball fx now on the switch too... with vertical mode..

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and pinball fx now on the switch too... with vertical mode..


I read somewhere that the Switch version has way too long loading times. Or maybe that was Pinball Arcade or Stern Pinball?


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That might be one of those.. counted it, 21 seconds from switch menu to pinball in play..

HD rumble works brilliantly with this game btw really feels you are holding something..

vertical mode looks wel, it's a bit that you have to put you left finder of the control stick

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How's the fps?

One work colleague plays the game on the ipad and it looks great (and loading times aren't that big), so i wonder how does it compares.


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RuySan wrote:
Pinball FX3 has released 2 new tables, and they are free if you claim them on Steam until 19 December. I still haven't played enough of them to make a good judgement, but they're free, so everyone should give them a go.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/75006 ... d_Legends/


Looks like this is not just limited to Steam. I've seen them for free on the Xbox and the Switch too.


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ah perfect, i wondered what those exclamation marks were;)

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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The "Son of Zeus" table might be my favourite PFX3 to date. There's so many things right with it:
-Multiple modes (this is something that PFX3 were lacking). There was a time where i was a having a 4-multiball while medusa, vulcano and some harpies were on the table.
-Absence of rubbish mini-games
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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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Lord Hearthly, purveyor of Pinball wisdom since 2011, i ask thee:

Is season 5 any good? It's 50% right now on Steam. I shouldn't reward Farsight for their shoddy efforts, when PFX3 and Zaccaria are doing so much better, but still, they have the licences that matter....


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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It's a reasonably solid season in all fairness.

It'd get a pass from me on the strength of Getaway, No Fear, Judge Dredd and Frankenstein. A couple of the others are fine, and there are only two or three duffer old shit crap that no one wants to play. (And some people really like F14-Tomcat but it never much did it for me.)

At 50% off I'd say snag it.

And try to beat my score on Getaway.

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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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I like some of that old shit. Sometimes is soothing to play simple tables with uncomplicated rules. I early 80's stuff like Gorgar and Centaur, and sometimes even older stuff like Genie.


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 Post subject: Re: The Pinball Arcade
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BANZAI RUN is the latest table for Pinball Arcade!

BANZAI FUCKING RUN! TABLE BUY!

I've just had a quick blast in DX11 mode and they've done a really good job with this one. Also, one of the best pinball soundtracks ever.

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