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Oh, I'm not denying the science is correct. I'm denying that the layout of the house, combined with the temperature differential, and the amount of flow, would actually produce any appreciable effect in your average house.

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I'm not understanding your incredulity at cooling through convection.


Well - let's try this:

Did it work?


There was a 5% drop in temperature.

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There was a 5% drop in temperature.


Was that before or after the sun went down?


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Cras - of course convection dosen't lower the temperature of the vessel in which it's occurring


It's not a closed system! if he opens the windows at the top of the house, hotter air flows out of there and draws in cooler air through the door on the ground floor. It's a simple and well understood process, called passive ventilation, and has been employed in building design since forever.

Yeah, that was my second point, which I wrote in invisible typeface.

Even if it was a closed system, Cras was wrong, was my point - because I think what he was getting at was that convection is just movement of air, not cooling, despite the fact that air movement over a person causes them to feel cooler. So he's doubly wrong.

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Compared to a closed up room with an unshaded south facing window? Huge difference.

Though subjectively you might not feel any cooler if the outside temperature is too hot anyway, especially if you've been running about opening windows. But it does work.


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Cras was wrong


Wrong how exactly? I didn't dispute convection, I disputed whether Mali's house would feel any cooler.

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Oh, I'm not denying the science is correct. I'm denying that the layout of the house, combined with the temperature differential, and the amount of flow, would actually produce any appreciable effect in your average house.


Last night the upstairs of my house was 4 degrees warmer than the downstairs.

Which is good news otherwise I probably wouldn't have slept at all.

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Cras was wrong


Wrong how exactly? I didn't dispute convection, I disputed whether Mali's house would feel any cooler.


(a) wrong because it would cool the air in the house, as it's bringing in cooler air from outside;

(b) wrong because the movement of air makes you feel cooler, even in a closed system, otherwise desk fans woudn't work; and

(c) wrong because your face.

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(a) wrong because it would cool the air in the house, as it's bringing in cooler air from outside;


Such little cooler air as to be virtually unnoticeable

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(b) wrong because the movement of air makes you feel cooler, even in a closed system, otherwise desk fans woudn't work; and


If he was standing on the stairs, directly in the path of air flow, I might allow a barely noticeable cooling effect. Not if you're sitting in the front room though.


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(c) wrong because your face.


Well, quite.

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For enhanced cooling, set up a hose to spray a very fine mist of water in the vicinity of the open back door. The evaporation will knock several degrees off (very noticeable on hot and dry days) before the air is drawn into the house.
A combination of that and shading all sun facing windows and you'd be a lot more comfortable.

Anyway, it's currently 14 deg C here and raining.


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Just removed his blog from Reader. His populist 'bring back the noose' campaign has pissed me off no end, and it's about time I stopped reading his infantile stuff anyway.


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Anyone campaigning to bring back hanging needs to be arrested on trumped up charges by a corrupt police officer and then hanged.

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Anyone campaigning to bring back hanging needs to be arrested on trumped up charges by a corrupt police officer and then hanged.


Quite. And there is something contradictory about people who spend their time campaigning that the state is evil and useless trusting the same authorities to hang the right person.


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Inspector Morse to regenerate: Oxford's murder rate to rise.


Am I going to have to get my stabbin' knives out and hunt down some bitches for daring to do this?

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Hope she doesn't PM Grim... with concerns for your whereabouts and questioning your navigational skills and sugeest that you're probably in a pub, working out where you should be.

Ah ha, yes, I remember that being mentioned. Top stuff.

No, she won't do that.

She might call Craster, though, and tell him to make me stop drinking.


I'm agree with this. She would never do that, it's just not her character.

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For enhanced cooling, switch on the air conditioning.

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Grim... wrote:
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For enhanced cooling, switch on the air conditioning.

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For enhanced cooling, switch on the air conditioning.

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kalmar wrote:
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For enhanced cooling, switch on the air conditioning.

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Oh, so electricity is OK to drive our cars but evil when used for aircon? THIS IS JUST A HYPOCRITICAL GREEN CONSPIRACY


Disingenuous. Everyone knows that air conditioning runs on the tears of orphans and baby seals.

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 Post subject: Re: Bits and Bobs 30
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Hope she doesn't PM Grim... with concerns for your whereabouts and questioning your navigational skills and sugeest that you're probably in a pub, working out where you should be.

Ah ha, yes, I remember that being mentioned. Top stuff.

No, she won't do that.

She might call Craster, though, and tell him to make me stop drinking.


I'm agree with this. She would never do that, it's just not her character.


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I was being slightly ironic :P BUT! Aircon use as a band-aid for poor building design or use is a real source of energy wastage.
Especially when you have badly specced systems underperforming or people leaving windows open and letting the cold out, and all that.
Not to mention the refrigerant effects on the atmostphere (although that improved these days).


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Kern wrote:
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Anyone campaigning to bring back hanging needs to be arrested on trumped up charges by a corrupt police officer and then hanged.


Quite. And there is something contradictory about people who spend their time campaigning that the state is evil and useless trusting the same authorities to hang the right person.



I wasn't even aware that this was bubbling along in the background. I'm only pleased that it's the silly season, and those MPs making comments appear to struggle to have thoughts of their own.

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I wasn't even aware that this was bubbling along in the background. I'm only pleased that it's the silly season, and those MPs making comments appear to struggle to have thoughts of their own.


Oh, very much silly season stuff (as well as attentions seeking by Paul StainesGuido). Can never happen anyway due to our treaty obligations, and would be a hell of waste of Parliamentary time.


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I wasn't even aware that this was bubbling along in the background. I'm only pleased that it's the silly season, and those MPs making comments appear to struggle to have thoughts of their own.


Oh, very much silly season stuff (as well as attentions seeking by Paul StainesGuido). Can never happen anyway due to our treaty obligations, and would be a hell of waste of Parliamentary time.


No doubt my in laws will have things to say on the matter later on.

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The new Humble Indie Bundle 3 is quite excellent value now they're chucking in the previous Indie Bundle's contents if you pay "more than the current average."

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Anyone campaigning to bring back hanging needs to be arrested on trumped up charges by a corrupt police officer and then hanged.


Ask him if it should be brought back for convicted drug dealers and drink drivers.

And bankrupts. Especially, if a person was a convicted drink driver, a convicted drug dealer and a bankrupt.

I'm sure his response would be most enlightening.

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The new Humble Indie Bundle 3 is quite excellent value now they're chucking in the previous Indie Bundle's contents if you pay "more than the current average."

I've still not even played anything out of the Indie Frozenbyte Bundle I bought. Hrm.


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e-Petitions! - The site is a bit buggy or overloaded, but it seems that the UK public are a bunch of death penalty zealots who hate the ECHR and no win no fee legal firms.


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I bet they really hate the bits in about freedom of speech and religion, and the section prohibiting slavery.


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The more I think about the site, the more embarrassing it becomes. It's up to the business committee to decide which petitions they want to debate, and even then no motion would be binding. So, anyone signing a petition to ban Cibrushsille is going to be pissed off if the committee ignore it, or if they get a Westminster Hall debate at 4pm on a Friday afternoon.

But, still, allows us to name and shame idiots.


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interesting mix of issues as of 1252 this afternoon.


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I can picture the 'retain the lack of death penalty' protests now:

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I can picture the 'retain the lack of death penalty' protests now:

'What do we want?
'The status quo'
'When do we want it?'


Again and again?

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EXCITING HMRC related news, peoples!

Through the email newsletter that the barrister man's sends out fairly often, HM Revenue & Customs have updated their guidance on employer-supported childcare. The guide for employers is here and employees here.

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The more I think about the site, the more embarrassing it becomes. It's up to the business committee to decide which petitions they want to debate, and even then no motion would be binding. So, anyone signing a petition to ban Cibrushsille is going to be pissed off if the committee ignore it, or if they get a Westminster Hall debate at 4pm on a Friday afternoon.

But, still, allows us to name and shame idiots.


Surely, reinstating capital punishment would be a step closer to the "takeover of Islamic law in this country" that so worries the vast majority of the 'and 'em n' flog 'em brigade?

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This site will keep me amused for ages. Here, my friends, is the single biggest issue facing the UK:

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Parking at night.

Responsible department: Department for Transport

It should be illegal to park outside somone elses house between the hours of 7pm and 7 am


Source

And only one signature at the time of writing.


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This site will keep me amused for ages. Here, my friends, is the single biggest issue facing the UK:

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Parking at night.

Responsible department: Department for Transport

It should be illegal to park outside somone elses house between the hours of 7pm and 7 am


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And only one signature at the time of writing.


Hopefully that person will go and visit a friend for an evening and then get their car crushed.


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What would happen if you lived in a block of flats? Even when you were parking outside your own house, you'd be parking outside someone else's house at the same time!


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What would happen if you lived in a block of flats?


A short step and a long drop, probably. It's the only thing these people understand.


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Fuck, guests arriving early. Which emans MrsA is probably on her way home. And I've done nothing. ! Crips!

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I know you're all on tenterhooks about this, so I may as well say now that the lady I went out with on Tuesday night evidently wasn't that bothered by my Explode-O-Nose, as she texted me yesterday afternoon and we ended up going for another drink in the end. She's lovely! Zio is a happy Zio.


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Aaaaaaand he's back in the game! Clearly she swerved the kiss to avoid further damage to your fragile proboscis.


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Aaaaaaand he's back in the game! Clearly she swerved the kiss to avoid further damage to your fragile proboscis.


Indeed. No such avoidance tactics were used last night. *raises eyebrow in a vaguely Roger Moore-esque fashion*


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Aaaaaaand he's back in the game! Clearly she swerved the kiss to avoid pregnancy.


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