Doctor Glyndwr wrote:
Nerd.
I still like it though.
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| Author: | Cras [ Thu Jul 07, 2011 16:15 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
It's totally dependent on the state of your wiring, and whether it crosses multiple ring mains etc. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Jul 07, 2011 16:24 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Craster wrote: It's totally dependent on the state of your wiring, and whether it crosses multiple ring mains etc. Yes, I know. Interesting that it really is sub-par is all.
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| Author: | Cras [ Thu Jul 07, 2011 16:27 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Craster wrote: It's totally dependent on the state of your wiring, and whether it crosses multiple ring mains etc. Yes, I know. Interesting that it really is sub-par is all.bear in mind that my house was totally rewired four years ago, and I'm only getting 80, not 200. That's with both ends on a single circuit too. |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Jul 07, 2011 16:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Craster wrote: bear in mind that my house was totally rewired four years ago, and I'm only getting 80, not 200. That's with both ends on a single circuit too. The 200 figure is cheaty duplex marketing, i.e. it's 100 Mb in each direction added together to make a bigger number. And it's also the theoretical maximum which excludes bitrate used on necessary overhead (think Ethernet frame headers, but for whatever encapsulation Powerline uses). So you're probably on 85-90% or so of maximum real-world speed for two plugs right next to each other, which is pretty reasonable.
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| Author: | Grim... [ Thu Jul 07, 2011 18:27 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Jul 07, 2011 20:15 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Nerd. |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Thu Jul 07, 2011 20:17 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Nerd. I still like it though. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:19 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Interesting mix of complexity and simplicity. Anyone have any neighbours with amusing wifi names? |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Fri Jul 08, 2011 13:59 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
I have no network at home |
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| Author: | Malc74 [ Fri Jul 08, 2011 14:56 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
This thread scares me because I can only understand about 25% of it. Anyway, I have some kind of wireless router thingy that "runs" the iPod, iPad, DS, Wii and PSP. The PC and 360 are wired up to it. With wires. Everything else is controlled by Cornish Piskies. |
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| Author: | Hearthly [ Fri Jul 08, 2011 17:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
DavPaz wrote: Interesting mix of complexity and simplicity. Anyone have any neighbours with amusing wifi names? We had one in range of us called 'The Whorehouse' and I was always itching to know who it was. When the MILF with the big tits from two doors down moved out a few months ago and the network disappeared, it all fell into place. With the benefit of hindsight I should have popped round to ask for a cup of sugar one evening. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Tue Aug 23, 2011 0:54 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Just ordered a bargain basement NAS. Will share my inevitable horror stories after it arrives. |
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| Author: | TK-421 [ Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:41 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
DavPaz wrote: Interesting mix of complexity and simplicity. Anyone have any neighbours with amusing wifi names? No idea about my neighbours, but mine is Mos Eisley Spaceport. My network layout goes something like this: Virgin 50mb broadband > Supplied Netgear router > [Wired] Server/Data Storage [Wired] PS3 [Wired] Sony BDP-570 [Wired] Netbook [Wired] Toshiba HD-EP35 [Wireless] Wii [Wireless] Samsung Galaxy S [Wireless] Spare PC downstairs Zio has wireless access to my router for his iFad and iDrone. As does my Mum's laptop and other family member's phones and Kindles. |
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| Author: | Nemmie [ Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:56 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
DavPaz wrote: Interesting mix of complexity and simplicity. Anyone have any neighbours with amusing wifi names? One of my neighbours has named their network " Hot Wet Teen " 
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| Author: | Mr Russell [ Tue Aug 23, 2011 7:33 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Nemmie wrote: DavPaz wrote: Interesting mix of complexity and simplicity. Anyone have any neighbours with amusing wifi names? One of my neighbours has named their network " Hot Wet Teen " Is it Zardoz Dimrill? |
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| Author: | Nemmie [ Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:21 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Longines Symphonette wrote: Nemmie wrote: DavPaz wrote: Interesting mix of complexity and simplicity. Anyone have any neighbours with amusing wifi names? One of my neighbours has named their network " Hot Wet Teen " Is it Zardoz Dimrill? Unlikely but Craster does live in my postcode area 
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 17:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
DavPaz wrote: Just ordered a bargain basement NAS. Will share my inevitable horror stories after it arrives. This, shockingly, went well. No hitches at all. Sorry. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 17:44 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
NAS horror stories rarely happen in the first week of ownership. |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 17:45 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Yeah, they wait until you have plenty of stuff to lose. What did you get? |
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| Author: | kalmar [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 17:50 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
This is where he says "Buffalo Linkstation" and we all roll about laughing. |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 17:53 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
I keep getting tempted by one of those HP microservers, but then I think I have a perfectly fine Drobo doing its thing, and can I be arsed to re-setup sick-beard etc... on the new server once it turns up, instead of on the imac? Probably not... |
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 17:54 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
I got a new router and had to rest my NAS because I forgot the password and needed to change the IP address. I accidently knocked one of the drives out. Which caused the Raid to degrade. It was a long 3 hours to see if my data was still there when the raid rebuilt. Woot it was... |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 18:05 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Trooper wrote: I keep getting tempted by one of those HP microservers Couple of my mates have had these, they are a steal after the cashback deals that are floating around. They are happy with them.
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| Author: | Trooper [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 18:07 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Trooper wrote: I keep getting tempted by one of those HP microservers Couple of my mates have had these, they are a steal after the cashback deals that are floating around. They are happy with them.So i've heard. It's just a lot of hassle to get to the place i'm currently at really 
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 18:30 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
I got a netgear stora with a single 2TB drive. It's aimed at network noobs but is performing admirably so far as I'm only using it as mapped network drives for 3 computers. The web access is handy too |
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| Author: | Grim... [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 18:41 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Does it have a built-in Torrent client? That's the best thing about my one, by far. Well, that and the Media Server bit. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Aug 31, 2011 18:53 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Sadly no. But it's apparently trivial to gain root access and get your Linux on. A project for another day *googles Unix commands* |
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| Author: | Mr Dave [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:24 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
DavPaz wrote: Sadly no. But it's apparently trivial to gain root access and get your Linux on. A project for another day *googles Unix commands* Indeed, it is a piece of piss. I've never really found a reason to, mind. The internal space is somewhat lacking, and given the devices response to power loss, I'd be reluctant to put any system stuff on the drive. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:57 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Fair enough. I was just looking to take my current 'server' out of active duty as it's burning a lot of juice to simply be running Sickbeard and Sabnzb+ Perhaps a netbook from a few generations back might be enough. |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:10 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
DavPaz wrote: Fair enough. I was just looking to take my current 'server' out of active duty as it's burning a lot of juice to simply be running Sickbeard and Sabnzb+ Perhaps a netbook from a few generations back might be enough. Points further up the thread to HP microserver. £120 with rebate and 30w power usage. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:15 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Dammit. Stop making me spend money. |
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:10 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
By HP keep Myp and I in jobs 
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| Author: | Trooper [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:23 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
DavPaz wrote: Dammit. Stop making me spend money. I have one in my ebuyer checkout, and have done for a while. I want one, it seems incredibly useful, it means I could sleep my imac rather than just turn off the screen overnight. However. I would want Sickbeard and Sabnzbd+ running on it, and I would have to choose the OS. linux, Windows server, WHS? It'll need to have Raid 5 software support, It needs to be able to run my Drobo, and I would have to resetup my Boxee shares etc... So much faf, and at the end I would be in pretty much the same place I am now, but with another box. I still want one though. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:24 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Do they offer WHS 2011 yet? |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Trooper wrote: I would want Sickbeard and Sabnzbd+ running on it, and I would have to choose the OS. linux, Windows server, WHS? I'd put in a vote for WHS, personally. Although if you buy WHSv2 you won't have dynamic drive extender support, which is a bit sucky, but you might not care as you have a Drobo. Quote: It'll need to have Raid 5 software support Which all those OSs do, of course.Quote: It needs to be able to run my Drobo Doesn't the Drobo mount as a normal mass storage device over USB or Firewire? Because again, all those OSs will do that.Quote: and I would have to resetup my Boxee shares etc... Which takes a few seconds, it's true.Craster wrote: Do they offer WHS 2011 yet? These boxes are naked, with no OS. My mates are running WHSv1 on them.
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| Author: | Trooper [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:18 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Yup, I know all the OS options can do what I want, which makes it more difficult to choose Wasn't sure if WHS had Raid 5 though, Windows 7 doesn't and I had heard rumours of WHS only doing Raid 1? Seems to be difficult to find this stuff out on the web for some reason, I suspect i'm just looking in the wrong place.The Drobo does mount as a USB storage, but you need to be able to run the dashboard software if you want to do anything other than just use it as a hard drive. i.e. reboot it, update it, etc... |
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| Author: | Doctor Glyndwr [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:24 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Trooper wrote: Wasn't sure if WHS had Raid 5 though, Windows 7 doesn't and I had heard rumours of WHS only doing Raid 1? WHSv1 doesn't do RAID anything. It has proprietary drive-extender stuff in place. On a folder-by-folder basis, you mark if it should be duplicated or not; basically toggling it between RAID-0 and RAID-1 except split over all the drives in the server. New drives can be added at any time. It ends up being quite similar to the Drobo. One important weakness: the OS is always on a single drive. If this fails (and this happened to me), you have to do a reinstall, although it scans for and rebuilds data from the other partitions in the process.WHSv2 did away with this, and went back to traditional software RAID. Quote: The Drobo does mount as a USB storage, but you need to be able to run the dashboard software if you want to do anything other than just use it as a hard drive. i.e. reboot it, update it, etc... Well, WHS is just Windows Server, so it'd likely be fine for that.
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:31 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Craster I can see WHS 2011 on my MSDN, not sure if it is 'live' yet. |
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| Author: | Cras [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:32 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Oh, it's live. I was just wondering if anyone was shipping it with systems. |
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| Author: | Trooper [ Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:15 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Doctor Glyndwr wrote: Trooper wrote: Wasn't sure if WHS had Raid 5 though, Windows 7 doesn't and I had heard rumours of WHS only doing Raid 1? WHSv1 doesn't do RAID anything. It has proprietary drive-extender stuff in place. On a folder-by-folder basis, you mark if it should be duplicated or not; basically toggling it between RAID-0 and RAID-1 except split over all the drives in the server. New drives can be added at any time. It ends up being quite similar to the Drobo. One important weakness: the OS is always on a single drive. If this fails (and this happened to me), you have to do a reinstall, although it scans for and rebuilds data from the other partitions in the process.Hmm... sounds interesting, but mildly expensive in terms of drive costs if it basically does straight duplication. I'm assuming I can just plug in my Drobo and use it as it currently is, without having to add it to the WHS storage, as I suspect that way lies dragons. Plus I don't want to lose the data I currently have on the drobo... |
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| Author: | Sir Taxalot [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:52 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
We have moved house, and the ADSL modem-router is now further away from the TV than before. I want to set things up a bit better, and more neatly this time, so rather than running multiple cables from my (crappy, telco supplied) router to the back of the telly I was considering running one cable, and then having some sort of hub or switch behind the TV so that I could plug in the HTPC and the 360, and any other stuff that might go in there (the TV and Blu-ray player have ethernet connections, but the content is pretty lousy and the interface clunky, so I probably won't bother with them). Would using a hub/switch thingy like this work (I'm thinking yes)? Would it work well enough for some gaming and streaming media? Would I need to fiddle about much with router settings (I'm hoping not too much)? What's the proper name for the device I'm talking about? I currently have 4 things I want wired in (big PC, HTPC, 360, NAS). Streaming over the wireless didn't work too well when I tried it last night. |
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| Author: | Sir Taxalot [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:53 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
That post reads quite poorly, sorry. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:45 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
A switch would work fine. I'd avoid hubs if you're streaming media around as they're a little bit 'dumber' with regards to traffic |
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| Author: | Sir Taxalot [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:16 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Cool, ta. Any recommendations? I'm not after anything fancy, but also want to avoid something completely shit. |
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:18 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/3309074/N ... fer=search I use one of these... it does the job. |
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:57 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Sir Taxalot wrote: Cool, ta. Any recommendations? I'm not after anything fancy, but also want to avoid something completely shit. You're not going to have have to spend much unless you're wanting gigabit speeds, which I suspect your router doesn't do. Stay away from the no-name chinese types (switches have been known to get hot) and you'll be fine. Kov's suggestion is a good one. |
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Kov does good? I have a gigabit router now, so I might upgrade my switch later. But a jump from £14 to £50 is a bit
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| Author: | DavPaz [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:00 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
KovacsC wrote: Kov does good? I have a gigabit router now, so I might upgrade my switch later. But a jump from £14 to £50 is a bit COUGH |
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| Author: | KovacsC [ Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:30 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
A what now? |
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| Author: | BikNorton [ Wed Dec 28, 2011 17:20 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Home Networks |
Bloody networks. Code: BT Homehub -> HomePlug (=> HomePlug) -> Airport Express (Kitchen) (=> HomePlug) -> Airport Express (Bedroom) (=> HomePlug) -> Microserver w/ iTunes (Back bedroom) -> Airport Express (Living Room) (=> WiFi) -> iPod Touch w/ Remote WiFi is disabled in the Airports, because it's flaky in this house, and the Microserver doesn't have WiFi. The Kitchen Airport has been rock solid since the sparkies did work the other week - hours of glitch-free streaming at a time. The bedroom one works too. The Living Room one, on the other hand, vanishes from iTunes/Remote/Airport Utility the instant I try to stream to it. I did manage to get it to stream an album the other evening, but then when I started something else it disappeared again. The LED stays solid green, and the HomeHub sees it connected to the network - but I have to power cycle it to get it to reappear (and it vanishes again next time I stream to it). Dodgy Airport, right? Wrong - switching the Bedroom and Living Room units, the behaviour remains location consistent, not Airport consistent. They're the same 7.6 firmware, connected to the same model of amp by the same model of optical cable and 3.5mm adaptor. Both locations have good airflow. I don't get how adding an extra HomePlug step can increase reliability from "Near zero" to "near perfect" - but it looks like Airport Expresses don't like being plugged directly into a BT HomeHub 3. Fucksake. So now I'm going to have to try moving the router from here to next to the HomeHub, and if that doesn't help moving DHCP server duties over too. Then setting fire to something. |
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