Their fans pelted Nickelback with rocks. The concert lasted half of a song. there are videos of that on youtube.

My Dying Bride is where it's at, if we're talking 90's.

Necroticism isn't grindcore, you crazy fool!

Best metal album = Carcass: Necrotism

I'll tell you what does suck. Modern metal. I'm so very unfussed by metal these days as 99% of the stuff I hear is fucking terrible now. Mainly from watching Headbanger's Ball on the off-chance that I'll see at least something good.

The thing with this new metal shit is that it's not heavy. Take something like 'Trivium'. They start their songs with the usual lightening fast kickdrums and guitars that are crunchy and loud... but it just doesn't move you at all. Then it usually descends into a bent-as-fuck melodic chorus that sounds like 80s hair metal before going into a very techy guitar solo with the emphasis on cheesy harmonised sections.

Or bands just do that Dillenger Escape Plan thing but by the numbers. Spazzed out sections, the usual chromatic bits and silly jazz things that sound contrived.

Eesh.

I certainly don't like where lead guitar is going these days.

Anyway, for what it's worth.

Best metal album = Carcass: Necrotism

And another :worship: for early my dying bride. Songs of darkness was an awful album tough. To me they're dead since then.

I'm a big fan of Bill Steer. I remember watching Red Dwarf one evening when Carcass were on as some sort of bar band and so was jumping up and down pointing at the telly. Napalm Death were funny live, I think I saw them with The Stupids in 1988 at the Clarendon Ballroom in London. Now *that* was a venue. Probably the best in Europe, every time I saw a band there I thought I was going to die.

A Line Of Deathless Kings isn't that bad, man! But then, Like Gods Of The Sun is my favourite of theirs.

I've struggled with Doom/Black metal stuff because I need some sort of hook behind it rather than Black Sabbath style sludgery or incessant blast beats. Interesting discordant guitar is what I'm looking for.

Burzum's Filosofem album is for you. Even though he's politically dubious.

One of my favourite all time albums. He doesn't refer to hilariously ill-informed naziism in the lyrics, you have to find that in interviews.

where's death metal up to these days? I was a huge fan of Death and the like. I'd be surprised if anyone's made anything more amazing than Cynic's 'Focus' album or as groovy as Obituary's 'Cause of Death' but again I'm open to suggestions!

I'm certainly not arguing that pristine production is a plus; I love Darkthrone and dislike Decapitated.

[I've struggled with Doom/Black metal stuff because I need some sort of hook behind it rather than Black Sabbath style sludgery or incessant blast beats. Interesting discordant guitar is what I'm looking for.

I wish Paradise Lost had continued on with the Host and Believe in Nothing sound, personally. Although Symbol of Life was an amazing album, I can't get in to the last 2.

You liked 34.788% Complete best last time, you fickle fellow!

. "Release the Geese" is better tough.

Comedy FTFY.

Oh, you're right about The Light at th End of the World, too.

As for Paradise Lost, much prefer the last two to anything since Draconian Times - couldn't get on with their "experimental" stuff...

I'd be surprised if anyone's made anything more amazing than Cynic's 'Focus' album or as groovy as Obituary's 'Cause of Death' but again I'm open to suggestions!

"light at the end of the world" gets my vote, as the best mdb album no one cares about. "turn loose the swans" is better tough.

I've rediscovered cLOUDDEAD. Oh, it's good. Next, I'll be digging out The Bug and Four Tet. Not metal, but who cares?

the problem is that if i try to listen to the last 2, i think to myself that i should be listening to draconian times instead

I CAST YE OUT, YE TRAITOROUS SCUM!

Oh wait... you downloaded Clouddead off my soulseek last night didn't you? .... errr, nevermind. As you were.

That first album was absolutely amazing (but one of those albums you love but rarely listen to, if you know what I mean). Second album not so much, but the Boards of Canada remix on the 'Dead Dogs Two' 12" was sublime.

Agreed, Gothic is definitely my favourtie. I stopped listening after Icon, way too Metallica-ey after that. I haven't listened to Paradise Lost in about ten years though, I may have to download Shades Of God for nostalgia sakes now.

How's about old Cathedral, anyone? The Ethereal Mirror is brilliant.

Let's Groove, Sonic MotherFucker!

Absolutely THIS. Agree with everything you say here. Best Clouddead thing has got to be their remix of Closed Shoulders on the Boom Bip, Corymb record, that is just incredible. Why more people aren't making gushing/droning/ethereal downbeat hip hop like that, I have no idea. Incredible track, big inspiration to some of my more recent stuff.