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 Post subject: Re: Breaking Bad
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 23:50 
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So, I've watched the first, um... Three.

Er - when does it get good?


It should get its hooks into you about then, certainly I was a few episodes into Season 1 before it really clicked, and even then it wasn't a lightbulb moment, more a case of me somehow finding myself 'involved' with it over the course of an episode.

IIRC it was Episode 4 when I sort of 'zoned out' and realised I'd been totally mesmerised by it for about 15 minutes when the tension settled a bit.


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Hmmm, the word is present and correct on my Region A Blu-ray set. :)


Where does that come from then?

I am disappointed that a Region-2 BBFC Certified 15 DVD should have the word 'fucked' silenced out :(

Now don't get me wrong, it doesn't really matter in any practical sense, I could see the word in the subtitles and I could lip-read Skyler as well - but it still just jarred me out of the moment.

Instead of hearing her deliver her bombshell to Walt, I heard NOTHING (In fact I heard worse than nothing, I heard two words totally missing the connecting word in the middle), and I had to fill in the gap from the subtitles and the word her lips formed - which is the same thing on a technical level, but it still removes the crashing violence of her saying that phrase to Walt.

It's clearly a fuck-up because it would have been entirely allowed contextually and at that certificate by the BBFC, they've just submitted some kind of fucking pre-cut version.


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Hmmm, the word is present and correct on my Region A Blu-ray set. :)


Where does that come from then?



Region A is US - I imported it. :)

As you say, a 15 cert UK DVD shouldn't have that word censored.

Effing ridiculous.


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Breaking Bad season 5 is now up on Netflix UK. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Breaking Bad
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Okay, series 1 down. It got better in the last two episodes. I'm still a bit meh about it, though.

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It stars the dad out of Malcolm in the Middle.

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 Post subject: Re: Breaking Bad
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Okay, series 1 down. It got better in the last two episodes. I'm still a bit meh about it, though.


Keep going. :)


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I'll give series 2 a shot.

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 Post subject: Re: Breaking Bad
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Okay, series 1 down. It got better in the last two episodes. I'm still a bit meh about it, though.


Keep going. :)


Does it really fundamentally change though?

I felt Season 1 got off to a slowish start but it properly had me about halfway through, if someone's got to the end of Season 1 and thinks it's a 'bit meh' I'm not sure what's going to change.

I suspect that the entire story arc, the entire point of Breaking Bad, either connects with people or it doesn't. Grim... may be in the category of folks where it doesn't.

(I'm not saying that's bad or he's wrong or anything like that, just that it's not a show for everyone. One of my mates at work didn't even make it to the end of Season 1, he found nothing interesting in it and just thought it was all depressing.)


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Okay, series 1 down. It got better in the last two episodes. I'm still a bit meh about it, though.


Keep going. :)


Does it really fundamentally change though?

I felt Season 1 got off to a slowish start but it properly had me about halfway through, if someone's got to the end of Season 1 and thinks it's a 'bit meh' I'm not sure what's going to change.

I suspect that the entire story arc, the entire point of Breaking Bad, either connects with people or it doesn't. Grim... may be in the category of folks where it doesn't.

(I'm not saying that's bad or he's wrong or anything like that, just that it's not a show for everyone. One of my mates at work didn't even make it to the end of Season 1, he found nothing interesting in it and just thought it was all depressing.)


No, that's fair enough. It might just be that it takes longer to take hold with Grim - he says that he enjoyed the last two episodes and I think it'll grab him even more as season 2 progresses.


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Walt dying of cancer: Dull.
Walt being the cook: Good.


But the two things are intertwined, you can't separate one from the other, one doesn't make sense without the other, one can't exist without the other.

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Walt dying of cancer: Dull.
Walt being the cook: Good.


Keep watching ........... :)


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Yeah, I never 'got' Breaking Bad. I normally fall quite solidly in line with the zeitgeist on this stuff, but it just didn't click.

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 Post subject: Re: Breaking Bad
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Yeah, I never 'got' Breaking Bad. I normally fall quite solidly in line with the zeitgeist on this stuff, but it just didn't click.


Indeed, each to their own :)

I've just got past the halfway point in Season 3 and I am genuinely captivated, I don't think anything, ever (TV or film), has got under my skin like Breaking Bad has.


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 Post subject: Re: Breaking Bad
PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 13:13 
It is brilliant isn't it. And I haven't seen the half of S5 that's out yet.


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Coming up to the end Season 3.

It's epically fucking good.

I do wonder at which point I'm supposed to dislike starting Walt though, 'cause so far I still want the dude to win.


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Coming up to the end Season 3.

It's epically fucking good.

I do wonder at which point I'm supposed to dislike starting Walt though, 'cause so far I still want the dude to win.


Probably not a spoiler reply as such, but just to be on the safe side I've enclosed it in spoiler space:

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Hard to say without giving anything away. It's 'easy' to like Walt as you've seen him so much of him that you understand the guy and you know that he's got a good heart which is slowly being encased in corruption; this understanding engenders a degree of sympathy towards him and what he does (and in most cases a dislike for Skyler who is over-bearing, overly fussy, lacking in empathy, vindictive and very controlling).


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 Post subject: Re: Breaking Bad
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Coming up to the end Season 3.

It's epically fucking good.

I do wonder at which point I'm supposed to dislike starting Walt though, 'cause so far I still want the dude to win.


Hard to say without giving anything away. It's 'easy' to like Walt as you've seen him so much of him that you understand the guy and you know that he's got a good heart which is slowly being encased in corruption; this understanding engenders a degree of sympathy towards him and what he does (and in most cases a dislike for Skyler who is over-bearing, overly fussy, lacking in empathy, vindictive and very controlling).


This is what I'm wondering about, I mean, unless the guy goes through some sort of Darth Vader style transition and decides to start killing babies in his spare time, I can't understand how he's supposed to become the antagonist.

Anyway, I'll find out in reasonably short order I suppose, just about to start now on Episode 12 (of 13) on Season 3, and then it'll be straight onto Season 4.

I'm fascinated to see where it goes.


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 Post subject: Re: Breaking Bad
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OMFG.

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'Half Measures' just finished, honestly, I swear I was like 'Fuck fuck fuck FUCK!' at the end', gobsmacked.

'Full Measure' is for tomorrow, two episodes at once is about my limit.


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I'm saying nothing. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Breaking Bad
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Just watch it already!


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 Post subject: Re: Breaking Bad
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Last ep season 3?

So, assuming you are reading this afterwards, what did ya think? :)

I hope you have season 4 all primed and ready to go. :)


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ZOMG.

Clearly there is no way I can't just start immediately on Season 4, despite the fact I was supposed to be watching Killer Joe this evening after finishing Season 3 of Breaking Bad.

One episode of Season 4, then Killer Joe.


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Heheh - thought you wouldn't be able to resist. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Breaking Bad
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Just finished season one. The missus wasn't a big fan ( I think she might be broken ) but I really enjoyed it. I liked the final shot, when Walt realises the sort of guy he's dealing with.


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 Post subject: Re: Breaking Bad
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I have season two all lined up!


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Gawd almighty.

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So Season 4 Episode 1 ramps it up a bit, no doubt about that. But I'm still seeing Walt and Jesse as the good guys.

The stanley knife thing wasn't very nice.


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I think that sums it up very well. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Breaking Bad
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I do wonder at which point I'm supposed to dislike starting Walt though, 'cause so far I still want the dude to win.
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Hard to say without giving anything away. It's 'easy' to like Walt as you've seen him so much of him that you understand the guy and you know that he's got a good heart which is slowly being encased in corruption; this understanding engenders a degree of sympathy towards him and what he does (and in most cases a dislike for Skyler who is over-bearing, overly fussy, lacking in empathy, vindictive and very controlling).

5) Disagree strongly.

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SKYLER is vindictive and controlling but WALT is good-hearted and sympathetic? Holy fuckballs.

On the other hand I just want Jesse to get out of this in one piece, the poor little bastard.

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At least comment on the relevant part of my quote and not just the part of it that you disagree with. The important point was:

"It's 'easy' to like Walt as you've seen him so much of him that you understand the guy and you know that he's got a good heart which is slowly being encased in corruption"

I'd also ask this: why do so many people dislike Skyler and like Walt despite everything that he's done?


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At least comment on the relevant part of my quote and not just the part of it that you disagree with. The important point was:

"It's 'easy' to like Walt as you've seen him so much of him that you understand the guy and you know that he's got a good heart which is slowly being encased in corruption"

I'd also ask this: why do so many people dislike Skyler and like Walt despite everything that he's done?

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a) Where's your evidence that he's "got a good heart"? As I banged on at tedious length about upthread and so didn't feel the need to repeat, pretty much from the off it's made clear that Walt's not a particularly good guy, meth dealing or no meth dealing.

b) Because Walt's the protagonist. Because he's the character we spend most time with. Because a lot of the shit he gets up to is funny and it's natural to feel empathy for someone who makes us laugh. Because Skyler's role in the drama is largely to react to Walt and to be an obstacle, which generally speaking isn't something that endears a character to the audience. Because Bryan Cranston is a pretty fucking compelling and charismatic performer. Because people take the "Walt's doing this for his family" thing at face value and don't look properly at what the show is actually telling them. Take your pick of any or all of the above.

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You know there were 2-3 episodes at the start of Season 4 where I really felt it was starting to lose its way a little bit*, but the last couple of episodes have been absolute barnstormers and I'm now embarking on the second half of Season 4 with a driving keenness to see what happens.

*Don't get me wrong, it wasn't poor or anything, it just seemed to lose focus somehow, the car wash stuff seemed overly protracted, as did the 'speech practice' thing. Dunno though, it could have been my mood, been a mad-busy week at work so maybe the fact I was feeling a bit tired and shitty before I started watching my nightly episode influenced me.

Still not seeing Walt as the bad guy, but for the first time I'm now starting to think about his fate separately to Jesse's.


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Blimey, Season 4 getting almost frighteningly good - I'm off work tomorrow so I'll just watch the bastards out to around 2am I think :DD


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What episode are you up to?


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Going to start on Episode 11 now - 'Crawl Space'

It's just so, so good.


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For those of you that care, all four seasons on Blu-ray are currently $11.99 each on Amazon.com.

These are region locked discs, mind you but it works out at £12.08 for an individual season, including shipping or £52.52 for all four, including shipping and pre-paid import taxes.

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Wow - great prices. I already have all four seasons Blu-ray, but I'm sure that some reading this don't. :)

The region locking is a pain though if you don't have a multi-region player or a PC running AnyDVD HD (I play all my Blu-rays on the latter).


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Just got the last episode of Season 4 to go, which I will watch tonight, then it'll have to be Netflix or something for the first half of Season 5!


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So, you like it then? ;)


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So that's Season 4 all finished, (last night in fact, but I was tired and wanted to go to bed), still got to make a start on Season 5, as such this post will contain mega-spoilers up to and including the end of Season 4 (they will be appropriately tagged).

Non-spoiler bit. Breaking Bad is the best thing I've ever watched, TV or film. End of.

Apart from a couple of minor mis-steps, it's damn near perfect. I realise there probably aren't many folks left who haven't seen it already, but if you haven't, then watch it, you're missing out.

I don't think there's too much more to say about the main characters and story arc, that's already been very well covered here and elsewhere although I will go into that a bit, but one thing I thought I would focus on are the side characters.

What really stood out to me in Breaking Bad is the strength of the side characters, so often neglected and/or disposable and/or not given enough characterisation/motivation/scripting etc to make them interesting in so many series and films.

If people just conveniently appear for an episode or two, then disappear again, never to be referenced again and/or apparently having any long-term impact, how can we care about them and how can we truly buy into the main protagonists' story arc?

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The one who hit me the hardest was Jane's dad, Donald. Here was a character who needed to be written well and played well, Jane was a massive part of Jesse's life (her death changed him forever), and her back-story was important as was her present, and as such so was her father. I was so hoping he wasn't going to be written as some sort of caricature ogre or stereotypical overbearing father or wishy-washy hippy or just, y'know, someone who didn't feel real.

And he wasn't.

Here was a man carrying a great burden and sadness, but still hope, hope that his daughter would stay clean. A weary but loving man, every line on his face spoke of the trauma he'd been through with Jane, but still, love and compassion, and a cautious optimism - wanting to believe that she was telling him the truth.

Of course we all know how that played out, the sequence where I really did think 'Jesus christ this is fucking unbelievably good' (afterwards, at the time I was just too caught up in it) was after Jane had died. The bit where Donald is in her house and he's picking out her clothes for her funeral, speaking to who we assume is Jane's mother.

It's the matter of fact way he discusses the clothes, the colours, about what kind of blue the dress is, that kind of thing. As the viewer we are left in doubt whatsoever that he's feared for this day, but he's also planned for it. As much as he wanted Jane to live, a bit of him was prepared for her to die and had been for years. His grief and sadness were palpable, but so was the dreadful sense of inevitably that one day he would be standing in his dead daughter's bedroom, choosing her clothes for her funeral.

And it's down to how well his character is written and played that gives meaning to Jesse and Walt and how they play out from there. Jesse is never the same again after Jane's death, and you feel that a litle bit Walt's humanity is lost forever because he stood there and watched Jane die to save himself.

Then of course Donald fucks up at his air traffic control post and a plane full of people lose their lives.

Maybe I'm waffling on about this one character too much, but I think it 'scales out' as it were to the entire Breaking Bad experience - how everything is so exquisitely constructed, so carefully written, and so powerfully acted.

Because Donald matters, even as a small character in the grand scheme of things, everything and everyone around him matters, one thing resonates into another and I believe that's what gives Breaking Bad its overarching brilliance.


Anyway enough for today, I've a lot of thoughts about the main story and how Walt and Jesse develop (and all the other main characters for that matter), but I'll get round to those - very interested to hear other's thoughts and opinions though!


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A very good post, it's great to see you appreciate it overall, as well as the finer points regarding the side characters.

Couldn't agree more about the section that you put in spoiler space - that was incredibly well done and felt very natural and realistic.

Now onto Netflix with you and season 5! :)


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 Post subject: Re: Breaking Bad
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About to sign up for Netflix now, there's no way I can wait until the arse end of next year to get the DVD boxset for the whole season, so I'll have to make do with half of one for now.

Is there anything else that's any good on there? Like good films and stuff?


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